Getting old flatmate to pay their part of the electricity bill

FridaysWell

Flatmates (a couple) moved out at the start of June. I got a replacement in with no issues. 6 weeks later, at the middle of July, both the replacement and I left the apartment and moved to separate places. We left as our landlord asked us for the apartment back as he was in a tight spot accommodation wise due to C19. We struck a deal with the landlord and happily (i.e. voluntarily left) and found other places easily. As a result I closed the electricity account and was issued a final bill by the utility company. This account is solely in my name, and we split bills 50/50 or 30/30/30 when the couple were living with me.

There was an amount outstanding (~€200) due to being on a 'Level Pay' plan - essentially this averages out your electricity bill over 12 months. Some months you 'overpay' and others you 'underpay' depending on how much electricity you use. Bills are issued every 2 months, with the amount and timing of monthly amounts due clearly displayed along with usage and the overall balance.

The closing bill (and previous bills) clearly show that there €130 of the €200 is from the period when the couple were living in the house. I sent them the final bill and calculations and asked could they send me their share (2/3s of €130). They've refused saying as they've moved out they are no longer responsible, not their fault the landlord moved in and they didn't choose this etc., and are not engaging with me at all. It is quite clear to me - they were living in the house when that electricity was used (as was I) and should pay it. We had an agreement (verbal, informal) where all bills (including rent) went from my accounts and they would pay into my account each month.

Their replies do not make much sense and very 'formal' sounding, where there is no need for this. It's just very strange. Given their past behavior with me (a whole other story) and the way they are just not being reasonable I am mulling over trying to get this sorted another way. The principle of this is what is driving me to take further action as opposed to taking it on the chin (which I did over the course of 18 months or so living with these two).

Is the Small Claims Court an avenue I can go down? Threshold suggested this; it is a nuclear option but I feel that it is the only way to recover the amount. The RTB, Landlord, and utility company were no help which is understandable. Are there any other avenues? A mediation type service or similar?

wench

If the previous bills showed the amount owing, then when they were moving out was the time to look for the money.
I'd say you're on a hiding to nothing looking for it now.

is_that_so

I agree with the previous poster it will be very hard to recover now. TBH it's under €90, which may be a sum of importance to you, but it looks more like a case of cutting your losses and learning from it.

mickdw

I think you messed up in a couple of ways.
Firstly having everything coming from your account means you are coming down with it if things go wrong. Secondly, its abit late now to be chasing bills. Surely you should have read the meter with the couple when leaving and agree split payments up to that point.

FridaysWell

wench wrote: »

If the previous bills showed the amount owing, then when they were moving out was the time to look for the money.
I'd say you're on a hiding to nothing looking for it now.

is_that_so wrote: »

I agree with the previous poster it will be very hard to recover now. TBH it's under €90, which may be a sum of importance to you, but it looks more like a case of cutting your losses and learning from it.

mickdw wrote: »

I think you messed up in a couple of ways.
Firstly having everything coming from your account means you are coming down with it if things go wrong. Secondly, its abit late now to be chasing bills. Surely you should have read the meter with the couple when leaving and agree split payments up to that point.

I agree - I did mess up and should have asked for the amount when they moved out. Only excuses I have are I was quite busy with work and other things, and the monthly amount we pay is low so i figured why bother them with it - the only reason this amount came to light was because I had to close the electricity bill. Timing is unfortunate, but its black and white. We did not read the meter when they left.

The latest flatmate didn't use the electricity from before so they should (and have) only paid for the portion they used. When I got the closing bill I took a look at it and the right and fair thing to do is to get the couple to pay their part.

Its a small amount for sure, but given all that I did for them (I know this means nothing bar good faith) I'm finding their behavior and responses really frustrating and wrong. That's why I am chasing this amount.

Is Smalls Claims an option?

jimmycrackcorm

No. Small claims is not an option. It's for claims against a business.

PhilOssophy

Don't waste your time and energy OP, we have all been stung like this in the past. It is an occupational hazard of renting.
Move on and learn for the next time, get the meter read or calculate how much it is to the best of your knowledge. Ideally get a reading to the electricity company and sort it out then.
Its a bit unreasonable of them over such a small sum of money as well but cest la vie.

893bet

Too late.

Let it go and forget it. It’s a small lesson. Could have been worse!

FridaysWell

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Don't waste your time and energy OP, we have all been stung like this in the past. It is an occupational hazard of renting.
Move on and learn for the next time, get the meter read or calculate how much it is to the best of your knowledge. Ideally get a reading to the electricity company and sort it out then.
Its a bit unreasonable of them over such a small sum of money as well but cest la vie.

The reason I am putting time and energy into this is because what they are doing is wrong (in my eyes). I've been beyond good to both of them, but they insist on just being unreasonable. Let me give you some context:

- The couple was originally one person (a friend of a friend) who I offered the 2nd room to when they were stuck looking for somewhere decent to live in Dublin. They had to leave the place they were living in as they had broke up with their partner. I was doing them and my friend a favour as I'd a number of people lined up to move in, plus it was hard to find a place at that time so felt for him. (2018)

- After moving in they started to see their partner again and invited them over several times for dinner. This went to them staying over a few nights a week; finally after a month or so I noticed they were over quite a lot, and it was obvious they had moved in without me being consulted (nor the landlord!). I was not comfortable with this I had to confront my original flatmate for an explanation. He said it'd be temporary as she was stuck for accommodation. I allowed this on the condition he update me as to when she would be moving out.

- He failed to do so and after a period of 6 weeks I asked him again what the situation was. He said it would likely be a few months before they would be able to move. I then requested that they split the rent and bills as this was only fair (was paying 50/50 up to this point). I also insisted that he inform the landlord. We agreed an amount - he back pedaled on the day the money was supposed to be transferred to my account (I was traveling with work) and refused to transfer the money as agreed. He only agreed after I got back and had a discussion with him.

- The landlord emailed us asking why 3 people were living in the house. Flatmate hadn't told the landlord as he said he had - all trust now gone.

- I also fail to mention that over March, April, and May they were both working from home full time. I was WFH for 2 weeks in March and then up to June I was back in the office (due to nature of my role I had to go back in). So they used even more electricity than I did over that period! They know this aswell yet never volunteered anything. More reasons why I want to follow up on this.

He basically moved someone in without thinking about me at all and then did not offer to split bills or rent. They basically took over the place. The reason I let this go on was that I genuinely thought they were stuck, but after a couple of months and the fact they didn't offer to split bills properly I realized who I was dealing with.

I'm chasing this as they've done wrong and I've only been decent to them. It'd be easy to chalk it off as experience but that's letting them get away with this. Why let them shaft me so they can shaft others?

FridaysWell

893bet wrote: »

Too late.

Let it go and forget it. It’s a small lesson. Could have been worse!

How is it too late? The timing of the bill being closed was ca. 6 weeks after they moved out. They used the electricity!

is_that_so

They have done wrong but no amount of principles is going to make them give up what you say is owed. Be annoyed, angry even but it is time to just move on past them.

PhilOssophy

TLDR - I don't care about the history.
You asked a question, we are answering it!
Everybody is telling you to let it go and they are right, but - do what you want. (Unfollowing)

Rubberchikken

They haven't been decent from the beginning.
Write it off to experience op. It's crap behavior from them but they sound like the type of people with little or no conscious or decency.

El Tarangu

OP - given that you are performing all the admin tasks relating to this flatshare, you should, if you aren't currently, charge a small percentage on top when subletting the room (rather than a 50/50 split); to cover that the time and effort that you expend running from pillar to post emailing landlords and whatnot, and to cover little cost anomalies like this.

FridaysWell

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

No. Small claims is not an option. It's for claims against a business.

You can claim against an individual - could be construed that we'd an arrangement / verbal agreement in place. Just unsure if SCC would hear the case or not or decide and issue a response / order

noodler

I think it's fairly disgraceful the would refuse.i expect my next metre reading to show a big increase in electricity due to WfH and wouldn't a recent flatmate to refuse.

FridaysWell

El Tarangu wrote: »

OP - given that performing all the admin tasks relating to this flatshare, you should, if you aren't currently, charge a small percentage on top when subletting the room (rather than a 50/50 split); to cover that the time and effort that you expend running from pillar to post emailing landlords and whatnot, and to cover little cost anomalies like this.

We were joint tenants on a lease as opposed to me subletting them the room.

I've been renting for quite a while and I've never had an issue before, thankfully. In my own place now so don't have to deal with any more crap.

History is important. Its the reason I don't feel like it is right to just let this go.

Samuel T. Cogley

FridaysWell wrote: »

You can claim against an individual - could be construed that we'd an arrangement / verbal agreement in place. Just unsure if SCC would hear the case or not or decide and issue a response / order

Pretty sure you can't use the Small Claims Procedure.

a claim for goods or services bought for private use from someone selling them in the course of a business (consumer claims)

a claim for goods or services bought for business use from someone selling them in the course of a business (business claims)

a claim for minor damage to property (but excluding personal injuries)

a claim for the non-return of a rent deposit for certain kinds of rented properties. For example, a holiday home or a room / flat in a premises where the owner also lives

I'm open to correction as always.

On a side note, that's some job they've done tarting up the Courts website.

i_surge

FridaysWell wrote: »

The reason I am putting time and energy into this is because what they are doing is wrong (in my eyes). I've been beyond good to both of them, but they insist on just being unreasonable. Let me give you some context:

- The couple was originally one person (a friend of a friend) who I offered the 2nd room to when they were stuck looking for somewhere decent to live in Dublin. They had to leave the place they were living in as they had broke up with their partner. I was doing them and my friend a favour as I'd a number of people lined up to move in, plus it was hard to find a place at that time so felt for him. (2018)

- After moving in they started to see their partner again and invited them over several times for dinner. This went to them staying over a few nights a week; finally after a month or so I noticed they were over quite a lot, and it was obvious they had moved in without me being consulted (nor the landlord!). I was not comfortable with this I had to confront my original flatmate for an explanation. He said it'd be temporary as she was stuck for accommodation. I allowed this on the condition he update me as to when she would be moving out.

- He failed to do so and after a period of 6 weeks I asked him again what the situation was. He said it would likely be a few months before they would be able to move. I then requested that they split the rent and bills as this was only fair (was paying 50/50 up to this point). I also insisted that he inform the landlord. We agreed an amount - he back pedaled on the day the money was supposed to be transferred to my account (I was traveling with work) and refused to transfer the money as agreed. He only agreed after I got back and had a discussion with him.

- The landlord emailed us asking why 3 people were living in the house. Flatmate hadn't told the landlord as he said he had - all trust now gone.

- I also fail to mention that over March, April, and May they were both working from home full time. I was WFH for 2 weeks in March and then up to June I was back in the office (due to nature of my role I had to go back in). So they used even more electricity than I did over that period! They know this aswell yet never volunteered anything. More reasons why I want to follow up on this.

He basically moved someone in without thinking about me at all and then did not offer to split bills or rent. They basically took over the place. The reason I let this go on was that I genuinely thought they were stuck, but after a couple of months and the fact they didn't offer to split bills properly I realized who I was dealing with.

I'm chasing this as they've done wrong and I've only been decent to them. It'd be easy to chalk it off as experience but that's letting them get away with this. Why let them shaft me so they can shaft others?

I had a similar issue so egregious I regularly fantasise about smashing the guys face with a baseball bat, went legal, lawyer turned out to be incompetent forcing me to let it go. Her mistake has made the odds of success much worse than they were. The person will get away with it this time, but being like that will catch up with them eventually.

I actually feel a lot better about it now.

Move on is my advice, not worth your time or mental energy.

FridaysWell

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Pretty sure you can't use the Small Claims Procedure.

a claim for goods or services bought for private use from someone selling them in the course of a business (consumer claims)

a claim for goods or services bought for business use from someone selling them in the course of a business (business claims)

a claim for minor damage to property (but excluding personal injuries)

a claim for the non-return of a rent deposit for certain kinds of rented properties. For example, a holiday home or a room / flat in a premises where the owner also lives

I'm open to correction as always.

On a side note, that's some job they've done tarting up the Courts website.

I read that on the site also, but have got conflicting views. Rang the SCC and they said they weren't 100% and I should submit the claim anyway as it may be reviewed and acted on. I just wanted to see if anything similar was brought up before.

It does sound like I can't go to SCC but is that 100% right though?

vandriver

Level pay seems bonkers in a flat share.

FridaysWell

vandriver wrote: »

Level pay seems bonkers in a flat share.

Lesson learned, but to be fair its not that complicated!

i_surge

FridaysWell wrote: »

Lesson learned, but to be fair its not that complicated!

You are in the right, some people are just *****.

Samuel T. Cogley

FridaysWell wrote: »

I read that on the site also, but have got conflicting views. Rang the SCC and they said they weren't 100% and I should submit the claim anyway as it may be reviewed and acted on. I just wanted to see if anything similar was brought up before.

It does sound like I can't go to SCC but is that 100% right though?

Even if it's entertained, and you win, you've still got enforcement to worry about which I'd venture is darn near impossible against a private party like this and probably more expensive than the debt.

cruizer101

The problem is you don't actually know how much they owe as you never took a meter reading when they left, without that you are just guessing.
If they were good people they would throw a bit of money your way but if they don't there is not a whole lot you can do.

BnB

Hi OP

[Blah blah blah.....Deleted this paragraph as it was covered already while I was typing out my speel....]

Unfortunately, I think there is very little you can do to make these people pay.

I have to agree with the majority of posts here. There is no doubt these people owe you the money. You know that and they know that. They are just being complete and utter dicks by not paying it. They know there is nothing that you can do to make them so they are not going to do it. But from reading your post above, it seems they have always been a-holes. You are down €90 but you are also down two A-holes in your life. I'd say go and buy yourself a pint/cake/whateveryouareintoyourself to celebrate that fact and move on. It really is the most healthy thing to do for yourself.

Best of luck

El Tarangu

FridaysWell wrote: »

We were joint tenants on a lease as opposed to me subletting them the room.

I've been renting for quite a while and I've never had an issue before, thankfully. In my own place now so don't have to deal with any more crap.

History is important. Its the reason I don't feel like it is right to just let this go.

If you're not living there any more, even more reason to chalk it up to being one of those things, and forget about it. Even if you do manage to bring them to the Small Claims Court, do you really want to lose a day's pay + the mental anguish for €90?

El Tarangu

BnB wrote: »

I have to agree with the majority of posts here. There is no doubt these people owe you the money. You know that and they know that. They are just being complete and utter dicks by not paying it. They know there is nothing that you can do to make them so they are not going to do it. But from reading your post above, it seems they have always been a-holes. You are down €90 but you are also down two A-holes in your life. I'd say go and buy yourself a pint/cake/whateveryouareintoyourself to celebrate that fact and move on. It really is the most healthy thing to do for yourself.

Best of luck

Indeed - like that scene from 'Bronx Tale' - two a-holes for €90; that's cheap at half the price.

FridaysWell

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Even if it's entertained, and you win, you've still got enforcement to worry about which I'd venture is darn near impossible against a private party like this and probably more expensive than the debt.

Good point. But a win is a win I suppose. They need to be held accountable. They both work in FS and would take a judgement like this seriously (I think) as it relates to money (however small).

cruizer101 wrote: »

The problem is you don't actually know how much they owe as you never took a meter reading when they left, without that you are just guessing.
If they were good people they would throw a bit of money your way but if they don't there is not a whole lot you can do.

Its all laid out in the bills though - it illustrates the amount used per month when they were living there and the amount that built up each month.

BnB wrote: »

Hi OP

[Blah blah blah.....Deleted this paragraph as it was covered already while I was typing out my speel....]

Unfortunately, I think there is very little you can do to make these people pay.

I have to agree with the majority of posts here. There is no doubt these people owe you the money. You know that and they know that. They are just being complete and utter dicks by not paying it. They know there is nothing that you can do to make them so they are not going to do it. But from reading your post above, it seems they have always been a-holes. You are down €90 but you are also down two A-holes in your life. I'd say go and buy yourself a pint/cake/whateveryouareintoyourself to celebrate that fact and move on. It really is the most healthy thing to do for yourself.

Best of luck

It sounds like there isn't a lot I could do without incurring cost / effort on my side. I appreciate all of the responses and the sentiment for sure.

If the SCC isn't the venue for this, what would be the hypothetical route? I know the cost would be prohibitive but what would the route be to get this sorted? District Court?

FridaysWell

El Tarangu wrote: »

If you're not living there any more, even more reason to chalk it up to being one of those things, and forget about it. Even if you do manage to bring them to the Small Claims Court, do you really want to lose a day's pay + the mental anguish for €90?

I'm still out of pocket, to two people who I treated more than fairly. The mental anguish for me is letting them away with this given all that occurred over the past while. I just feel really strongly about it, maybe it'll wear off but at the end of the day I'm down money for the wrong reasons.

i_surge

FridaysWell wrote: »

I'm still out of pocket, to two people who I treated more than fairly. The mental anguish for me is letting them away with this given all that occurred over the past while. I just feel really strongly about it, maybe it'll wear off but at the end of the day I'm down money for the wrong reasons.

I was in the same boat. A seething rage and seeking justice at all costs but it only detracts from your own life.

Hard to move on but it is the best choice.

28064212

€90 to get two people like that out of your life forever is money well spent. The amount of time you've already spent on this is worth more than the money you're chasing

endacl

FridaysWell wrote: »

You can claim against an individual - could be construed that we'd an arrangement / verbal agreement in place. Just unsure if SCC would hear the case or not or decide and issue a response / order

Will cost you the €25 application fee either way. That'll put your total losses into triple figures, and and delay your hopping on the 'get over it' bus.

endacl

FridaysWell wrote: »

The mental anguish for me

Seriously? Or did you use anguish in the same way teenagers use 'stressful' when they really mean 'mildly inconvenient'?

wonski

It is not a rocket science to update meter reading every month if you wish.

You failed to do this, sticked to some silly level plan and got burned.

Outstanding bills is one thing, but chasing down previous co tenants for a random amount of money because the account owner was not giving the readings on time?

Forget about it op and learn from it.

FridaysWell

endacl wrote: »

Will cost you the €25 application fee either way. That'll put your total losses into triple figures, and and delay your hopping on the 'get over it' bus.

endacl wrote: »

Seriously? Or did you use anguish in the same way teenagers use 'stressful' when they really mean 'mildly inconvenient'?

Good points - they do put my losses up. In my own head I'm just finding it hard to let them off on this

Regarding mental anguish - I just used the term in the post I was responding to :pac: I'm not loosing sleep or hair over this at all! Just trying to do what is right by me.

It is mildly inconvenient to me, but I do feel strongly about chasing it up as you can see from my "long" post on their previous behavior.

FridaysWell

wonski wrote: »

It is not a rocket science to update meter reading every month if you wish.

You failed to do this, sticked to some silly level plan and got burned.

Outstanding bills is one thing, but chasing down previous co tenants for a random amount of money because the account owner was not giving the readings on time?

Forget about it op and learn from it.

The meter readings were on the bill every two months as actual readings. Meter readings have nothing to do with this?

I'm not chasing them down for a random amount of money. Each bill illustrates the amount used each billing period and the amount we paid through level pay, the balance outstanding, and the amount for the next 3 payments. The closing bill stops all this and shows the amount outstanding broken down by period (so they can see the amount outstanding from when they were living there).

wonski

FridaysWell wrote: »

The meter readings were on the bill every two months as actual readings. Meter readings have nothing to do with this?

I'm not chasing them down for a random amount of money. Each bill illustrates the amount used each billing period and the amount we paid through level pay, the balance outstanding, and the amount for the next 3 payments. The closing bill stops all this and shows the amount outstanding broken down by period (so they can see the amount outstanding from when they were living there).

Who has time for this...

Just pay as you go, especially when renting with others.

That's what I am saying.

When they moved out you should have presented them with the readings and charges.

If they were so clear on the bills.

Sure if someone overpaid because of the level pay or whatever is that crap called what would be the procedure?

For all shared bills do them pro-rata on regular basis, pay as you go as much as you can practically

FridaysWell

wonski wrote: »

Who has time for this...

Just pay as you go, especially when renting with others.

That's what I am saying.

When they moved out you should have presented them with the readings and charges.

If they were so clear on the bills.

Sure if someone overpaid because of the level pay or whatever is that crap called what would be the procedure?

For all shared bills do them pro-rata on regular basis, pay as you go as much as you can practically

Level pay actually saves you a lot of time. I sent the bill to them each month, it was pretty clear and it is clear now that they owe that amount and are refusing to pay. My mistake was not chasing them when they moved out. Didn't have time for it but should have

When they moved out I wasn't planning on closing the account and having a big bill - but that happened and after I looked at it, only right and fair they pay for what they used.

I started this thread to see if the SCC was a goer. Looks like it isn't.
Only other route is getting a solicitor involved - expensive and time consuming for sure.
Is that it?

wonski

Just leave it is my opinion

One of many in life when you lose out.

And no, level pay saves you nothing when you share bills with others. It's just not suited for your scenario and no time was saved.

wonski

FridaysWell wrote: »

The meter readings were on the bill every two months as actual readings. Meter readings have nothing to do with this?

I'm not chasing them down for a random amount of money. Each bill illustrates the amount used each billing period and the amount we paid through level pay, the balance outstanding, and the amount for the next 3 payments. The closing bill stops all this and shows the amount outstanding broken down by period (so they can see the amount outstanding from when they were living there).

Level pay. Your bills were spread over 12 months based on estimate from last 12 months, the meter readings were there, bu the payments were not accurate :

"What happens when I sign up to Level Pay?
You'll receive a monthly payment amount based on your annual usage
You'll choose a monthly payment date that suits you
Each month we'll deduct the agreed payment amount by Direct Debit
You'll still receive a bill every two months which will show the payments you've made and the upcoming payments
We carry out an annual review and any balance owed to you will be carried over to the next year and spread evenly over your monthly payments.
Your payments will be smoother throughout the year rather than having higher bills in winter and lower bills in summer.
You should submit meter reads to improve the accuracy of your monthly payments.
We will regularly review your account and your amount may change depending on your usage and payments. If so we will notify you on your bill and by text message"

FridaysWell

wonski wrote: »

Just leave it is my opinion

One of many in life when you lose out.

And no, level pay saves you nothing when you share bills with others. It's just not suited for your scenario and no time was saved.

Why leave it when they should pay? Thats the Q that keeps going through my head. But based on the replies etc., it really does look like I'll have no joy and sin e, just forget it!

It gave us a predictable monthly amount, saved time as it was clearly laid out on the bills. Mistake I made was not following up when they were leaving.

wonski wrote: »

Level pay. Your bills were spread over 12 months based on estimate from last 12 months, the meter readings were there, bu the payments were not accurate :

"What happens when I sign up to Level Pay?
You'll receive a monthly payment amount based on your annual usage
You'll choose a monthly payment date that suits you
Each month we'll deduct the agreed payment amount by Direct Debit
You'll still receive a bill every two months which will show the payments you've made and the upcoming payments
We carry out an annual review and any balance owed to you will be carried over to the next year and spread evenly over your monthly payments.
Your payments will be smoother throughout the year rather than having higher bills in winter and lower bills in summer.
You should submit meter reads to improve the accuracy of your monthly payments.
We will regularly review your account and your amount may change depending on your usage and payments. If so we will notify you on your bill and by text message"

Payments were accurate as they were based on actual readings.
It really isn't that complicated. Bills lay out everything - usage etc.

Anyway think this will have to be chalked up to experience. I'm still in two minds, and may try the SCC - if I do and I've any joy I'll report back here.

wonski

Payments were not accurate, that's the point.

First you say balance outstanding was due to this payment plan, now you say they were accurate?

Even if you provide them with the readings the payment was inconveniently spread over 12 months to avoid jumps during the winter.

Leave it. And next time do not set up payment plan like this.

FridaysWell

wonski wrote: »

Payments were not accurate, that's the point.

First you say balance outstanding was due to this payment plan, now you say they were accurate?

Even if you provide them with the readings the payment was inconveniently spread over 12 months to avoid jumps during the winter.

Leave it. And next time do not set up payment plan like this.

The payments were accurate as they were the payments requested by the utility company. They got copies of the bill and were well aware that we were using level pay.

The balance outstanding arose as the account was closed. The final bill detailed how much electricity was used, when etc., and to me its quite simple. They were living in the apartment and using electricity and should pay for it as detailed in the bills.

Level pay is not as complex as you're making it out to be. Its very clearly laid out in each bill.

You use something, you pay for it. They should pay. As I'm having no luck trying to settle this with them directly I started this thread to see if the SCC could make them pay. Based on replies, not worth the energy nor does it appear possible.

RedXIV

In my honest and immature opinion, you are going about this all wrong You have a desire for retaliation and are seeking a very tough uphill battle to get that retaliation. Especially when you have access to things like their email addresses, phone numbers and social circles

Or you could offer to be a reference as a previous landlord and sink them at every opportunity. But then as I said, I'm very immature

wonski

Extremely immature.

He is no landlord and thank **** people who cant understand how bills work have no power like the one suggested by you.

Good luck in court or whatever way you go about this.

4 pages of the op explaining why he feels aggrieved and all others explaining why he will lose regardless.

Op, to aren't winning this. They won. Chalk it up to experience and move on. We all lose from time to time

Del2005

FridaysWell wrote: »

Good points - they do put my losses up. In my own head I'm just finding it hard to let them off on this

Regarding mental anguish - I just used the term in the post I was responding to :pac: I'm not loosing sleep or hair over this at all! Just trying to do what is right by me.

It is mildly inconvenient to me, but I do feel strongly about chasing it up as you can see from my "long" post on their previous behavior.

You've already wasted 6 hours replying to posts on this subject over €90. I'm confident that the ex flat sharers haven't given it a second thought since you last communicated with them. How much do you value your personal time because at minimum wage you've nearly spent €90 today on the issue

Big companies with in house legal terms regularly right off 4 figure debts because chasing debtors in this country is so expensive and difficult, you want to waste several more hours of your life over €90.

FridaysWell

wonski wrote: »

Extremely immature.

He is no landlord and thank **** people who cant understand how bills work have no power like the one suggested by you.

Good luck in court or whatever way you go about this.

I understand perfectly how bills work. Pretty black and white. Electricity bill = Y, they have to pay for their usage of it. Otherwise, why should I pay the full amount?

Del2005 wrote: »

You've already wasted 6 hours replying to posts on this subject over €90. I'm confident that the ex flat sharers haven't given it a second thought since you last communicated with them. How much do you value your personal time because at minimum wage you've nearly spent €90 today on the issue

Big companies with in house legal terms regularly right off 4 figure debts because chasing debtors in this country is so expensive and difficult, you want to waste several more hours of your life over €90.

I haven't spent the last 6 hours replying - takes a couple of minutes at most.

So that's it just let them away with not paying? Let Karma do it's work? I can afford to pay the bill several times over thankfully - but that is just wrong to me.

I started this thread to see if anyone knows if this is something the SCC would look at - based on the replies, doesn't look like it. If there is another avenue I could explore, please let me know. Otherwise I guess I'll just have to take it on the chin.

davindub

FridaysWell wrote: »

I understand perfectly how bills work. Pretty black and white. Electricity bill = Y, they have to pay for their usage of it. Otherwise, why should I pay the full amount?



I haven't spent the last 6 hours replying - takes a couple of minutes at most.

So that's it just let them away with not paying? Let Karma do it's work? I can afford to pay the bill several times over thankfully - but that is just wrong to me.

I started this thread to see if anyone knows if this is something the SCC would look at - based on the replies, doesn't look like it. If there is another avenue I could explore, please let me know. Otherwise I guess I'll just have to take it on the chin.

District court.

ec18

would you have to show fair apportionment of the outstanding balance? for instance they moved out and had paid their share of the level pay up to that point.

The problem is that the level pay was underestimated and there is an outstanding balance? and you want what you have defined as their fair share of that?

District court seems like an expensive way to go for 90e, I understand the principal of the thing and being our of pocket etc.

Are you sure you want to go to all that expense and hassle for principal?