Kids outside your house

comfort

What, if any, options does one have if kids are constantly
Out side your house shouting and roaring while playing. Kids aren’t a bad thing but the group seems to be growing and constantly outside the house. There is a big green for them to play on but they just constantly play outside.

Del2005

Once they aren't on your property nothing. If you ignore them they will eventually move on, if you give them hassle they will respond in kind.

punisher5112

If on your property I'd be more concerned of insurance risks....

Horse manure at wall or hedge boundary will keep them well clear.....

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Get the sound repellent to move them

punisher5112

Can you clarify where exactly they are.

daheff

What you need is a deterrent for them. Like put out some flowers that need a lot of watering or attention.....then everytime the kids are there you have to go out to water feed prune etc. Kids won't want to hang around with you there for long.

A variation is to have a plant that requires smelly fertilizer

Or turn on the sprinklers...or a high pitched cat deterrent device (you won't hear it but they probably will)

Etc. Make it unappealing as a hangout place.

Dial Hard

punisher5112 wrote: »

Can you clarify where exactly they are.

On the path/road outside the OP's house by the sounds of things.

Not sure you really have any basis to move them on, OP.

PhilOssophy

Is there anything to be said for putting a crow banger inside the wall....?

Gerry Hatrick

If you have a dog put dog sh1t outside the house scattered around the ground. If they sit on walls get an old pair of boots step in it and scrap your foot along the edge of wall in intervels.Do this for a few days and they'll get the picture. Sounds crazy but it worked for me surprisingly quickly and the kids moved on.

I guess if you've no dog you'll have to improvise.

StevenToast

Have you tried shaking your fist at them yet?

PhilOssophy

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

If you have a dog put dog sh1t outside the house scattered around the ground. If they sit on walls get an old pair of boots step in it and scrap your foot along the edge of wall in intervels.Do this for a few days and they'll get the picture. Sounds crazy but it worked for me surprisingly quickly and the kids moved on.

I guess if you've no dog you'll have to improvise.

Just ask a neighbour who lets his dog sh1t anywhere, he'll gladly oblige

LurkerNo1

daheff wrote: »

What you need is a deterrent for them. Like put out some flowers that need a lot of watering or attention.....then everytime the kids are there you have to go out to water feed prune etc. Kids won't want to hang around with you there for long.

A variation is to have a plant that requires smelly fertilizer

Or turn on the sprinklers...or a high pitched cat deterrent device (you won't hear it but they probably will)

Etc. Make it unappealing as a hangout place.

As a gardener I can tell you none of these will work.

nuac

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some "solutions" here are not advised e.g. crowbangers, manure, dog poo.

SteM

It's that time of year OP, they all go a bit mad just before returning to school. They'll move on soon enough if you ignore them, it's one of the downsides of living around other people in afraid.

daheff

LurkerNo1 wrote: »

As a gardener I can tell you none of these will work.

you need to try harder then ....worked for me

LurkerNo1

daheff wrote: »

you need to try harder then ....worked for me

Total bullcrap, a hedge stopped them hopping the wall for footballs, that was a 5 year wait to hedge maturity, by that stage they had grown up and moved on. Kids couldnt give care less about flowers, watering or you being in the garden, it's no deterrent, more a game for them. Must be very soft kids around your area.

Garibaldi?

StevenToast wrote: »

Have you tried shaking your fist at them yet?

https://youtu.be/cyGUbS5kzcY You might end up like "Shardon":D:D:D

Peregrinus

LurkerNo1 wrote: »

Total bullcrap, a hedge stopped them hopping the wall for footballs, that was a 5 year wait to hedge maturity, by that stage they had grown up and moved on. Kids couldnt give care less about flowers, watering or you being in the garden, it's no deterrent, more a game for them. Must be very soft kids around your area.

Blackthorn is fast-growing and will definitely make a completely child-proof hedge. And you can use the fruits to make sloe gin, which is an added bonus.

Parsnips

Leave them Kids alone Karen.
Not doing any harm unless they are on your property.

Shouting at them or taking their Ball will only turn the whole road against you. Dont be one of those people Karen.

Parsnips

Parsnips wrote: »

Leave them Kids alone Karen.
Not doing any harm unless they are on your property.

Shouting at them or taking their Ball will only turn the whole road against you. Dont be one of those people Karen.

1. You don't know what "Karen" means.


2. You're completely wrong.

Parsnips

you get my drift.

nuac

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"Karen" is an American term not yet generally used in Ireland. Too soon to use as a description of a particular type of person without an explanation of what you are talking about.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

comfort wrote: »

What, if any, options does one have if kids are constantly
Out side your house shouting and roaring while playing. Kids aren’t a bad thing but the group seems to be growing and constantly outside the house. There is a big green for them to play on but they just constantly play outside.

If the neighbours are tenants you are able to avail of a third party dispute with the landlord if it’s having an impact on your living conditions. You don’t need to be a tenant.

https://www.rtb.ie/dispute-resolution/third-party-dispute-resolution-services

KaneToad

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

If you have a dog put dog sh1t outside the house scattered around the ground. If they sit on walls get an old pair of boots step in it and scrap your foot along the edge of wall in intervels.Do this for a few days and they'll get the picture. Sounds crazy but it worked for me surprisingly quickly and the kids moved on.

I guess if you've no dog you'll have to improvise.

😅

Samuel T. Cogley

Amalia Ashy Traveller wrote: »

If the neighbours are tenants you are able to avail of a third party dispute with the landlord if it’s having an impact on your living conditions. You don’t need to be a tenant.

https://www.rtb.ie/dispute-resolution/third-party-dispute-resolution-services

It's kids playing...

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

It's kids playing...

The OP stated:

Out side your house shouting and roaring while playing. Kids aren’t a bad thing but the group seems to be growing and constantly outside the house. There is a big green for them to play on but they just constantly play outside.

I responded with a possible route if the neighbours are tenants.

RTA 2004 Pt.2 S.16

(h) not behave within the dwelling, or in the vicinity of it, in a way that is anti-social or allow other occupiers of, or visitors to, the dwelling to behave within it, or in the vicinity of it, in such a way,

(i) not act or allow other occupiers of, or visitors to, the dwell- ing to act in a way which would result in the invalidation of a policy of insurance in force in relation to the dwelling,


Pt.2 S.16 defined

‘‘behave in a way that is anti-social’’ means—
(a) engage in behaviour that constitutes the commission of an offence, being an offence the commission of which is reasonably likely to affect directly the well-being or wel- fare of others,
(b) engage in behaviour that causes or could cause fear, danger, injury, damage or loss to any person living, working or otherwise lawfully in the dwelling concerned or its vicin- ity and, without prejudice to the generality of the forego- ing, includes violence, intimidation, coercion, harassment or obstruction of, or threats to, any such person, or
(c) engage, persistently, in behaviour that prevents or interferes with the peaceful occupation—
(i) by any other person residing in the dwelling con- cerned, of that dwelling,
(ii) by any person residing in any other dwelling con- tained in the property containing the dwelling con- cerned, of that other dwelling, or
(iii) by any person residing in a dwelling (‘‘neighbourhood dwelling’’) in the vicinity of the dwelling or the prop- erty containing the dwelling concerned, of that neighbourhood dwelling.
(2) The reference in section 16(b) to an act or omission by the tenant shall be deemed to include a reference to an act or omission by any other person who, at the time of the doing of the act or the
Pt.2 S.16

Samuel T. Cogley

As a legal solution I think it's tenuous at best. Practically speaking it's very unwise. All the OP would do is cause a rift between themselves and the neighbours.

Anyone care to point to the legal definition of 'Peaceful Occupation'?

Edit: In fairness the OP has looked for options and you post does outline one.

punisher5112

Should do what a guy did in the states....

He drew a race track in his driveway so a kid could cycle around it as he would do so each day anyway but it was a big hit and others used it too...

Peregrinus

Playing in the street is not anti-social. It does not become so even if the playing is noisy.

The right to "peaceful occupation" of your property does not extend to a right to stop kids playing near to your property.

The OP reports that kids are playing "outside his house", but he doesn't say, and hasn't come back to say, whether this means in his garden outside his house, or in the street outside his property. If it;'s the latter, he has no legal remedy of any kind. Quite simply, his rights are not being infringed in any way.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Peregrinus wrote: »

Playing in the street is not anti-social. It does not become so even if the playing is noisy.

The right to "peaceful occupation" of your property does not extend to a right to stop kids playing near to your property.

The OP reports that kids are playing "outside his house", but he doesn't say, and hasn't come back to say, whether this means in his garden outside his house, or in the street outside his property. If it;'s the latter, he has no legal remedy of any kind. Quite simply, his rights are not being infringed in any way.

Playing in the street at 3am is anti-social.

Playing in the street at 3pm roaring racist abuse does become anti-social behaviour.

As you have scant little information it is reckless to tell someone what options are available to them and attacking others.

There are multiple options available depending on the type of behaviour and impact.

The right to peaceful occupation does extend to children playing because . . .

You don’t know if the kids are playing with a ball that’s hitting off a glass window of the op, you don’t know if they are playing with guns,

The point is you don’t know.

You don’t know if the shouting is at 3am or 3pm.

You don’t know if they intimidate the op or family when passing, you don’t know if the shouting the op mentions is racist abuse.

The point is you know nothing.

And he does have a legal remedy if they are tenants and they are causing a disturbance 4 doors down, on the green, on the corner. That’s how a third party dispute works as a landlord owes an obligation to anyone who has the potential to be affected by the tenants in the vicinity of the property.

In these situations where the OP hasn’t given all the details a solution is better than an opinion I believe.

Amalia Ashy Traveller

Amalia Ashy Traveller wrote: »

Playing in the street at 3am is anti-social.

Playing in the street at 3pm roaring racist abuse does become anti-social behaviour.

As you have scant little information it is reckless to tell someone what options are available to them and attacking others.

There are multiple options available depending on the type of behaviour and impact.

The right to peaceful occupation does extend to children playing because . . .

You don’t know if the kids are playing with a ball that’s hitting off a glass window of the op, you don’t know if they are playing with guns,

The point is you don’t know.

You don’t know if the shouting is at 3am or 3pm.

You don’t know if they intimidate the op or family when passing, you don’t know if the shouting the op mentions is racist abuse.

The point is you know nothing.

And he does have a legal remedy if they are tenants and they are causing a disturbance 4 doors down, on the green, on the corner. That’s how a third party dispute works as a landlord owes an obligation to anyone who has the potential to be affected by the tenants in the vicinity of the property.

In these situations where the OP hasn’t given all the details a solution is better than an opinion I believe.

There's no evidence in the op of any of that behavior. He didn't mention 3am or racism. You are injecting aspects into the situation to justify a stance.

It's probable an urban estate like most and like most, kids play on the street.

Jeez, they can't win. Play loudly and they are causing issues, loitering in the park and they are 'menacing' to dog walkers.

They are kids, playing. It's normal, it's healthy. Just leave them be

Peregrinus

I'm assuming that in the OP comfort has described the problem as it presents itself and that, if there were factors like disturbance at 3am, balls hitting windows, racist abuse or intimidation they would have been mentioned. The OP just mentions shouting and roaring while playing outside comfort's house; that's it. I take that to be the shouting and roaring that frequently accompanies children's play, and I assume that's the extent of the problem that he wants advice on.

I don't think it's particularly helpful to suggests solutions to problems which are not described or even hinted at in the OP.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

There's no evidence in the op of any of that behavior. He didn't mention 3am or racism. You are injecting aspects into the situation to justify a stance.

It's probable an urban estate like most and like most, kids play on the street.

Jeez, they can't win. Play loudly and they are causing issues, loitering in the park and they are 'menacing' to dog walkers.

They are kids, playing. It's normal, it's healthy. Just leave them be

You are assuming a lot, I am giving options.

My advice isn’t a stance it’s advice based in law.

Many don’t feel comfortable coming on here because they’ll be attacked.

You don’t know what’s healthy and normal you haven’t been informed and you have no experience of what the op experiences.

Maybe it’s not an urban estate maybe it’s rural.

Why are you so insistent on the OP not knowing all options available to them depending on their experience?

Why do you not want people explaining helpful scenarios that might benefit the OP?

Why do you think it’s ok to defend something you know nothing about?

_Brian

If you make a big deal out of this you become the neighbourhood crank.

Kids just love winding up the local crank and they will never leave you alone.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

_Brian wrote: »

If you make a big deal out of this you become the neighbourhood crank.

Kids just love winding up the local crank and they will never leave you alone.

When neighbour is awarded €2,000 by the RTB by the landlord, that usually quietens things down. A lot!

sydthebeat

The op needs to change their windows

el Fenomeno

punisher5112 wrote: »

If on your property I'd be more concerned of insurance risks....

This comes up a lot here.

Is it true? i.e. what if you live in one of those standard new estates, ie. Rows of semi detached houses with car ports (not exactly driveways or gardens) out front with no boundary at front.

What if a kid runs into your "driveway" and falls over nothing? There has to be cause or neglect for it to be an insurance issue, is that right?

I googled "new development Ireland" and it showed the attached which is the type of driveway I mean.

I think someone posted a while ago now but children don't like classical

music so leave a window open and play it loud so maybe that's worth a try!

They can be annoying but they are breaking no laws that I am aware of.

antix80

comfort wrote: »

What, if any, options does one have if kids are constantly
Out side your house shouting and roaring while playing. Kids aren’t a bad thing but the group seems to be growing and constantly outside the house. There is a big green for them to play on but they just constantly play outside.

buy a stick and shake it at them while shouting "get away from my wall"

seamus

el Fenomeno wrote: »

This comes up a lot here.

What if a kid runs into your "driveway" and falls over nothing? There has to be cause or neglect for it to be an insurance issue, is that right?

Correct. Someone injuring themselves on your property can't just turn around and claim money from you automatically. This a common boogeyman people are afraid of, but it's not the reality.

The short answer to this is that if there is a hazard on your property that one could reasonably forsee as causing an injur, then you should fix it or put up a warning sign. So if your driveway has cracked and sunk, leaving a 1-inch tripping hazard exposed, then you should deal with that or a visitor could sue. If someone trips over their own feet in your garden, then you're not liable.

Peregrinus

el Fenomeno wrote: »

This comes up a lot here.

Is it true? i.e. what if you live in one of those standard new estates, ie. Rows of semi detached houses with car ports (not exactly driveways or gardens) out front with no boundary at front.

What if a kid runs into your "driveway" and falls over nothing? There has to be cause or neglect for it to be an insurance issue, is that right?.

There’s nothing in the OP to suggest that people are entering his property. Plus, if they are, we don’t know whether the property is open to the street in the way you talk about, or they are entering through a gate or over a wall. Still, the question is an interesting one. We can examine it without referring to the OP’s particular situation.

Your duties as an occupier of property:

Duty to a visitor: Take such care as is reasonable in all the circumstances to ensure that a visitor to the premises does not suffer injury or damage by reason of any danger due to the state of the premises.

Points to note:

1. A visitor is someone who enters at your invitation or with your permission and who isn’t a recreational user (see below).

2. The care that is “reasonable in the circumstances” will be decided having regard to:

- the care that a visitor may reasonably be expected to take for his or her own safety; and

- if the visitor is on the premises in the company of another person, the extent of the supervision and control that other person may reasonably be expected to exercise over the visitor's activities. (Which means that, if you have an adult and their child visiting, the care you need to take to protect the child takes account of the supervision/control that the parent may reasonably be expected to exercise. So if you leave the room to go and make a pot of tea for the visitors and, while you are in the kitchen, the child removes the fireguard and then falls into the fire, you can reasonably say that the child’s parent, the adult in the room, could have been expected to prevent this.)

Duty to recreational users or trespassers: Do not injure the person or damage their property intentionally. Do not act with reckless disregard for the person or their property.

Points to note:

1. A “recreational user” is someone who comes onto your property for the purpose of engaging in a recreational activity, and who isn’t paying you to do so. So a hillwalker who crosses your field, for example, is a recreational user.

2. A trespasser is anyone who isn’t a visitor or a recreational user.

So, a child enters your driveway, trips and breaks his own front teeth. Who’s paying the dentist’s bill?

The child (through his parents) will want to argue ((1) that he is a visitor; (2) that he broke his teeth because of the state of the premises (e.g. he didn’t trip over his shoelaces; he tripped over your cracked and uneven paving); and (3) that it was reasonable to expect you to take care to prevent this (e.g. by repairing the cracks, or blocking access to them, or at least warning the child of them).

Let’s assume that you do have cracked paving, so the argument that this is what caused the child to trip is at least plausible. The fight is going to be over whether the child was a visitor.

If you actually invited him in or gave him permission (“Hey mister, can I come in and get my ball?” “Yes, sure, sonny.”) he’s definitely a visitor. Or, if he came in, e.g., in order to put a letter or note through your letterbox he’s a visitor; by having a letterbox in your front door you are impliedly inviting people to come onto your property to put stuff in the letterbox. What if he just came in out of curiosity, to get a closer look at your garden gnome or pat your dog? He’s not a visitor unless, possibly, and this is a bit of a stretch, the neighbourhood children routinely come in to examine your gnome/pat your dog and you are known not to object to this, in which case it could be argued that by a pattern of behaviour you have given them permission.

But if he can’t establish that he is a visitor, then your only duty to him is not to injure him intentionally, and not to act with reckless disregard for him. He could argue that your cracked paving was something you should have fixed, and that it if wasn’t fixed it was obvious that someone might trip and injure themselves and so it was “reckless disregard” on your part not to fix it. This argument is strengthened if the paving has been cracked for a while; if it’s on the path leading to the front door so people will walk there; if people have tripped over it in the past; if people have complained about it in the past; etc, etc. So, it’s all going to depend on the particular facts.

Amalia Ashy Traveller

Amalia Ashy Traveller wrote: »

You don’t know what’s healthy and normal you haven’t been informed and you have no experience of what the op experiences.

Eh? What an odd comment

the purple tin

You could relax in your front garden with some nice music when they are there: Daniel O'Donnell maybe

o1s1n

I think it was mentioned on page 1, but what's the legality of those high pitched noise deterrents for teenagers?

I was recently walking through Marino college's grounds and there was one on a building. I could actually hear it, which is strange as I'm in my mid 30s and usually can't hear any of those alarms at all due to age related hearing loss.

Really was very unpleasant, I can see how they work.

Samuel T. Cogley

o1s1n wrote: »

I think it was mentioned on page 1, but what's the legality of those high pitched noise deterrents for teenagers?

I was recently walking through Marino college's grounds and there was one on a building. I could actually hear it, which is strange as I'm in my mid 30s and usually can't hear any of those alarms at all due to age related hearing loss.

Really was very unpleasant, I can see how they work.

Arguably, and I'm sure there will be an argument, it's a Section 2 Assault.

antix80

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Arguably, and I'm sure there will be an argument, it's a Section 2 Assault.

What about playing Daniel O'Donnell - is that Section 2 assault?

seamus

antix80 wrote: »

What about playing Daniel O'Donnell - is that Section 2 assault?

Section 4 I believe.

alanhiggyno1

i have same problem kids playing out my house with football/hurleys etc and a 4 big pitches and a green not even 100 yds away.i just moved my car from drive and parked right outside up against the wall and now blocks all kids from playing.problem solved.i think the parents took a hint also that i wasnt best pleased dealing with that sh1te everyday.nothing more annoying

SteM

alanhiggyno1 wrote: »

i have same problem kids playing out my house with football/hurleys etc and a 4 big pitches and a green not even 100 yds away.i just moved my car from drive and parked right outside up against the wall and now blocks all kids from playing.problem solved.i think the parents took a hint also that i wasnt best pleased dealing with that sh1te everyday.nothing more annoying

The lad up the road from us did the same thing a few weeks ago, stopped parking his car in his drive and parked it on the road outside his house hoping it would move the kids on. He got a big scratch on his driver side door. Bloody fuming he was, don't blame him.

alanhiggyno1

SteM wrote: »

The lad up the road from us did the same thing a few weeks ago, stopped parking his car in his drive and parked it on the road outside his house hoping it would move the kids on. He got a big scratch on his driver side door. Bloody fuming he was, don't blame him.

i park it so its facing up the road so dashcam sees everything.also security camera can see my car anyway so no problems.

JustAThought

I bought one of those e75 plus in cameras with an app you can view from your phone anywhere that can also record to the cloud. Plugged it in inside the front bedroom overlooking rhw drivw & street. Gaurds hd said last few times I complIned to get ine as it was my word against ‘theirs’ and they all lied together. Now the gaurds have proof that they are habitualised liars and it has worked out very well for me - angry gaurds who they had made a fool of calling to the childrens door and taking no **** from the parents - total peace in the street now all about my house - delighted. Now if the so called parents who discard their children on the street from 8am - 11pm would only manage their children and responsibilities someone else would now not be dealing with the noise and **** I used to have to put up with.