Lions Tour

prawnsambo · 30-07-2021 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683453#Comment_117683453

I wasn't trying to create a false equivalence, my point is that this stuff has been escalating for a long time and unions have been involved in it too. It's that slow drip, drip that's paved the way for what Erasmus produced the other day.

So I'm not interested in hearing from other unions on this. World Rugby needs to step in and put a stop to it with meaningful sanctions. I'd like to see them make unions, coaches and players pay fines, but not to WR, invest the money in referees and in referee training. So every time someone has a lash at referees, refereeing benefits.

Probably wishful thinking on my part though.

AbusesToilets · 30-07-2021 4:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683340#Comment_117683340

Speaking of 2009, any comment om Burger staying on the field after the most blatant eye gouge in the history of eye gouges?

Deusexmachina · 30-07-2021 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683090#Comment_117683090

Sore losers. I well remember white South Africans I met back in the 80s moaning that the world misunderstood them - apartheid was part of their culture - and we would feel the same if we only understood Africans better.

This stinks of the same old ‘poor us’ mentality. Lose a match and blame everyone but themselves.

Delighted the Lions beat them. Worried that their violent tendencies are going to emerge in the next test.

boetstark · 30-07-2021 5:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683878#Comment_117683878

Of course, and all those things that we were afraid would happen with black majority rule never happened.

Either way this is a rugby forum not politics. Still think lions got all the borderline decisions and Rassie was entitled to highlight this

boetstark · 30-07-2021 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683840#Comment_117683840

Any mention of your loose forward that stayed on the pitch after connecting with Jacque Fouries eye when running past him.

What about squeaky o Driscoll and his tackle on Danie Rossouw.

Neil3030 · 30-07-2021 5:48pm

This is absolutely brilliant from BOD. He gets it. This is a chess game. And he responds with a chess move. Calmly dismantle the opponent's opening gambit, and pile the pressure back on them:

“I don’t get it at all. He’s the World Cup-winning coach. He’s better than that,” O’Driscoll said.

“The problem is if they lose again… there’s only so many goes you have at taking the flak yourself. In South Africa, they’ll forget past victories quickly if you lose a series 2-0 or 3-0.

“You have to be careful if your tack is doing the Jose Mourinho thing of you being the sound-bite or the story, rather than your players’ lack of performance.”

Deusexmachina · 30-07-2021 5:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683954#Comment_117683954

No, he’s absolutely not. There is respect for referees in rugby which is proper. No one wants to witness the unedifying abuse referees get in professional soccer.

Erasmus can prove that SA are the better team by winning the next match. It’s that simple.

Whinging about referees is pathetic. No class.

Deusexmachina · 30-07-2021 5:52pm

No thanks

boetstark · 30-07-2021 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684085#Comment_117684085

Difference between respect and just taking things lying down. We were screwed by Bryce Lawrence in 2011 and never again.

If the ref missed a few incidents but it was a list

Deusexmachina · 30-07-2021 6:03pm

Whinging is not a good look.

sydthebeat · 30-07-2021 6:30pm

i hope Ben o keeffe is EXTREMELY pedantic this weekend

Foxtrol · 30-07-2021 6:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683491#Comment_117683491

Agree with the slow drip leading to this (including players, coaches, media, bloggers, forums etc) but I strongly disagree that the Australian Union shouldn't have the right to speak about a damn breaking because they were part of the drip in the past. The Australian Union is perfectly entitled to defend their referee, I'd expect and hope the IRFU to do the same for one of theirs if they faced the sustained abuse campaign that Erasmus has carried out this week.

Agree with you on the punishment to put a stop to it with meaningful sanctions. Erasmus should get fined, banned, and also get the Tom Youngs punishment of having to do a ref course and ref games. If I had my way they'd add on to it that the games are released to the media and Berry gets to put together an hour long assessment of his performance.

Foxtrol · 30-07-2021 6:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117683090#Comment_117683090

Rassie is simply throwing his toys out of the pram because he lost and can't take it. The man is showing how two faced he is - pretending to be a good sport and then spending a week attacking a defenseless referee. He is a man who has for years pushed the rules well beyond their spirit and now whines when a few calls goes against him.

There would at least be some credibility to his claims and the defense put up by some posters if Rassie showed refereeing inconsistencies that benefited both sides, however the man doesn't give a toss about the the quality of refereeing, he simply cares that a few decisions didn't go his way and is now throwing a tantrum about it.

If that's the depths you believe you need to go to to win a game it doesn't show any confidence in your team. Just incredibly pathetic.

theVersatile · 30-07-2021 6:54pm

As much as Rassies craic has been unethical, there's something slightly strange about people responding to his claims that the refereeing decisions didn't go their way by hoping more refereeing decisions to against them.

Former Former Former · 30-07-2021 6:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684320#Comment_117684320

I don't think such people (eg myself) are being entirely serious.

boetstark · 30-07-2021 7:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684314#Comment_117684314

What's pathetic is expecting SARU Director of rugby to highlight decisions that did not go the way of the Lions.

Rassie has more courage and integrity in his little finger than everybody here combined.

I don't suppose you wish to comment on his serious illness during 2019 that he didn't mention. Because he is not a pathetic whinger.

I hope we crush you guys into the ground tomorrow.

Former Former Former · 30-07-2021 7:33pm

The one thing Erasmus does not have is integrity.

Richie_Rich89 · 30-07-2021 7:39pm

Good to see Conor back in the team. He's definitely probably Ireland's best ever scrumhalf. He'll be looking to use his kicking game to good effect tomorrow.

mfceiling · 30-07-2021 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684383#Comment_117684383

Stay classy.

Foxtrol · 30-07-2021 8:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684383#Comment_117684383

Being sick doesn't make a person good or bad, not sure what point you're trying to make.

A man who actually had 'courage and integrity' wouldn't feign to be a gracious loser and then spend the next week throwing tantrums and attacking a defenseless ref.

I can't believe anyone is so naive to buy into the tripe that Rassie is putting out, that he is somehow doing this out of principle and for the good of rugby - that he is some kind of ridiculous martyr. The man is doing this because his team lost after completely crumbling last week, being out muscled, being our thought, with every tactical decision made by the coaching team making things worse, and showing themselves to have no plan B.

SA might win tomorrow but Rassie will still have lost the respect of a lot of people - maybe that is worth it for him but all that does is say more about the man.

nerd69 · 30-07-2021 9:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117684115#Comment_117684115

You could take any game and find little bits and pieces that should have been called rassie was extremely pedantic in a lot of those calls. It's pathetic and warren could easily have made a comparable list