Nine tenants evicted from north Dublin property by men in masks and dark clothing

actuallylike

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/nine-tenants-evicted-from-north-dublin-property-by-men-in-masks-and-dark-clothing-1.4329482

Unbelievable that this can happen. Although, I'm a little bit skeptical. Would the tenants really have gotten no notice at all? Open to be corrected, just seems insane that they're be physically dragged out without any prior knowledge.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Nice bunch of lads...

Just a guess, but could the masks have been covid 19 face masks? Sounds very sinister when you say "masks and dark clothing"... But I wore dark clothes and a mask today going to the shop! :P

Bobblehats

That woman’s name is a real tonsil twister. Deceptively 5-syllabled

Necro

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Moving to Current Affairs

ACitizenErased

I saw the video. The lads in black are wearing jackets with tri-colours on them. Anyone know who they are?

eviltwin

Landlord claims he knew nothing until the residents told him so who authorised this?

ACitizenErased

eviltwin wrote: »

Landlord claims he knew nothing until the residents told him so who authorised this?

Apparently the landlord wasn't paying the mortgage and it's actually the bank handling the eviction

Gentlemanne

Bobblehats wrote: »

That woman’s name is a real tonsil twister. Deceptively 5-syllabled

The most stereotypical Current Affairs/IMHO comment I've ever seen.

Any compassion at all for someone in a really difficult situation? Nah, point out she has a funny foreign name.

Wibbs

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apparently the landlord wasn't paying the mortgage and it's actually the bank handling the eviction

So the tenants were up to date with the rent and still got evicted? That's well out of bloody order. Then again banks are **** and tend towards repellent so not too much of a shock.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Wibbs wrote: »

So the tenants were up to date with the rent and still got evicted? That's well out of bloody order. Then again banks are **** and tend towards repellent so not too much of a shock.

The landlord interviewed wasn’t really the landlord. The place was sold a few months ago.

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/naoisefalafel/status/1293892134240768002?s=20

Jesus Christ.

Wibbs

So what actually went on? Does anybody know?

Sierra Oscar

eviltwin wrote: »

Landlord claims he knew nothing until the residents told him so who authorised this?

The landlord doesn't own the property any more because he didn't bother paying the mortgage so he isn't really 'the landlord'. The receiver is and that is apparently who secured the court order in this case.

ACitizenErased

KBC bank are the ones who ordered it according to the Community Action Tenants Union

Conall Cernach

ACitizenErased wrote: »

KBC bank are the ones who ordered it according to the Community Action Tenants Union

They don't have the best reputation when it comes to this kind of thing.

Spanish Eyes

It's very heavy handed agreed. However no goons are going to forcibly evict tenants unless they have a court order to do so - bailiffs, and presumably the Gardai had sight of that, otherwise they would have been arrested.

Something very fishy about this regarding who owns it and a lot of other things too etc.

Wibbs

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/naoisefalafel/status/1293892134240768002?s=20

Jesus Christ.

:eek: :mad: That's well out of order. Though again not such a shock when banks are anything to do with such things.

the Irish Times article mentions that it has been sold "to an individual" on June 2 this year.

This "individual" obviously organised this.

Probably got it for a bargain price and wants this people out.

ThunbergsAreGo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It's very heavy handed agreed. However no goons are going to forcibly evict tenants unless they have a court order to do so - bailiffs, and presumably the Gardai had sight of that, otherwise they would have been arrested.

Something very fishy about this regarding who owns it and a lot of other things too etc.

Yeah few things not adding up on this. Seems a very complicated case. The random destruction makes no sense.

Not a nice situation for the tenants at all

Definitely fishy, story could have legs. Lots of stuff this could conveniently take off the front
page; if one was cynical.

seamus

I would certainly be casting a skeptical eye on that landlord. If the tenants believed that he was the landlord and were paying him rent even though he knew the property had been sold on - or was in dispute - then that says quite a bit about him.

The Irish Times pops up a few articles about property disputes involving a "Gerry Ward" where he apparently just refuses to accept repossession of his properties.

Chances are there were many, many eviction notices and warning served, but Mr. Ward chose not to alert his tenants.

No excuse really for hiring a crew to smash up the place, but the new owner was likely unaware that the residents didn't know about the dispute and instead from his perspective they were effectively squatters that were ignoring every request to vacate.

Edit: On further research, it would appear that Mr. Ward is one of these "Freeman of the Land" nutjobs, so it looks to me like he was renting the property to these poor people despite not even owning it.

boombang

That looks really horrible. Generally I'm a bit skeptical of news stories regarding evictions, but it seems this was nasty treatment.

I can't imagine KBC could be involved in this. That previous nasty situation near the boarder would surely have scared them straight.

I'm just thinking of one of those annoying "cool" KBC ads modified with a bunch of republican fascist goons in black pushing over all the smug hipsters.

no way KBC have organised this

Goldman Sachs, through their fund vehicle sold the house - KBC or any other retail bank would not be buying a property like this directly.

Spanish Eyes

boombang wrote: »

That looks really horrible. Generally I'm a bit skeptical of news stories regarding evictions, but it seems this was nasty treatment.

I can't imagine KBC could be involved in this. That previous nasty situation near the boarder would surely have scared them straight.

I'm just thinking of one of those annoying "cool" KBC ads modified with a bunch of republican fascist goons in black pushing over all the smug hipsters.

Whoever it was had to have a legitimate court order in order to evict. Whether that was KBC or not, no one knows. Either way, the Gardai would have arrested them if they did not have an order from the courts. So I am unsure what to think.

The destruction of the property is appalling, but no one knows who did that.

The tenants could have been served the proper notice and may have refused to move out (it's very common everywhere), and hence the long process to eventually end up with a judge granting an order. Now surely that order as the last link in the chain of eviction would not have been granted if proper procedures had not been followed. The process can take between one to two years if lucky with that timeframe, IYSWIM.

It's very heavy handed, but we don't know the full story either from the tenant or the landlord/receiver side at all. So I'll keep my counsel for now.

Arghus

I'd imagine there's a lot more to this than what we are hearing in the media.

Seems crazy to me that Gardaí are allowed to stand idly by and watch an eviction crew turf people out on the street and smash up the place. Maybe it was all above board legally, but then that's a very strange way for the law to operate.

Yurt2

CC: The most learned Senator Barry Ward (FG flunkie and knower of all things that are necessary)

bucketybuck

I might have an opinion on this if I thought for one second that I was getting the full story.

Charles Babbage

seamus wrote: »

Chances are there were many, many eviction notices and warning served, but Mr. Ward chose not to alert his tenants.

No excuse really for hiring a crew to smash up the place, but the new owner was likely unaware that the residents didn't know about the dispute and instead from his perspective they were effectively squatters that were ignoring every request to vacate.

Edit: On further research, it would appear that Mr. Ward is one of these "Freeman of the Land" nutjobs, so it looks to me like he was renting the property to these poor people despite not even owning it.

You are too kind. The new owner could have communicated directly with the tenants, as well as any communication to "Mr Ward". Of course perhaps he did and "Mr. Ward" was telling them to ignore it.

James Brown

Wait, a landlord didnt pay his mortgage, say it ain't so?
Nice of FF/,FG/Greens to lift the ban on evictions and rent hikes. Covid is over like....and didn't they over turn that ruling where anyone buying a mortgage must renegotiate the terms?

Now the tax payer will be on the hook for any evictions like this when the tenants need emergency accommodation.

Dravokivich

The place got smashed up for 1 simple reason becuase of mobs that have previously squated in and attempted to retain evicted/vacant properties. What's the closest credible source about this story? All I saw of it were nationalists and freemen.

Spanish Eyes

Dravokivich wrote: »

The place got smashed up for 1 simple reason becuase of mobs that have previously squated in and attempted to retain evicted/vacant properties. What's the closest credible source about this story? All I saw of it were nationalists and freemen.

We are definitely not hearing the full story. Anyway I'm keeping an open mind on it all until things become clearer.

If the tenants had been given proper notice, and then it had to come down to a court order, my spidey senses have me thinking they refused to move. But who knows anyway.

Pays not to be too taken in by MSM reports or tweets or SM on issues like this anyway.

silver2020

ACitizenErased wrote: »

KBC bank are the ones who ordered it according to the Community Action Tenants Union

I'd be very sceptical of what an organisation that almost encourages non payment or similar against landlords.

If the gardai were there as onlookers, then you can be sure that proper notice was given and as usual you get the "I knew nothing". Looks like the original landlord is at fault rather than the tenants themselves

Riki_road

Wibbs wrote: »

So what actually went on? Does anybody know?

Seems like the landlord (or subletting landlord) was collecting rent from the tenants but not paying the mortgage. Bank with through the process to repossess the house and get eviction of the people living there, who didnt know about the eviction until the last minute.

More of a thing about slum landlords than bad bankers imo

Edit: from what the video says, the gardai say they are happy that notice was received. There was a court order which was stored at mount joy garda station and eviction notice was on facebook as the tenants names were not known.

uptherebels

Arghus wrote: »

I'd imagine there's a lot more to this than what we are hearing in the media.

Seems crazy to me that Gardaí are allowed to stand idly by and watch an eviction crew turf people out on the street and smash up the place. Maybe it was all above board legally, but then that's a very strange way for the law to operate.

If it is all above board the guards have no reason to intervene in an eviction.
As we don't know who did the smashing, it's just as likely to have been the tenants getting evicted as the people working on behalf of the property owner.

Pkiernan

uptherebels wrote: »

If it is all above board the guards have no reason to intervene in an eviction.
As we don't know who did the smashing, it's just as likely to have been the tenants getting evicted as the people working on behalf of the property owner.

Looks like my place when my last tenant left owing 4 months rent.

Yurt2

uptherebels wrote: »

If it is all above board the guards have no reason to intervene in an eviction.
As we don't know who did the smashing, it's just as likely to have been the tenants getting evicted as the people working on behalf of the property owner.

Yes. Between the tenants and the masked heavies, the probability as to who trashed everything is exactly equal. Yes.

Varik

Yurt! wrote: »

Yes. Between the tenants and the masked heavies, the probability as to who trashed everything is exactly equal. Yes.

You're right why would the "masked heavies" who are likely being paid by the owner have any incentive not to destroy his property.

SchrodingersCat

So the Gardai allowed the heavies no only make the house inhabitable for the tenants, but destroy their personal property aswell?

That's bad form.

Getoffmytrain

The tenants regained possession of the house following the intervention of a solicitor. By all accounts it was an illegal eviction, so whoever ordered and organised it will be paying hefty compensation. What the Gardaí were doing is a mystery, they have no business intervening in civil cases to facilitate criminal acts of assault and destruction of property.

Dempo1

This just beyond belief, WTF were Gardai doing at this appalling eviction, it's just shocking. Here in the Midlands we're locked down, checkpoints everywhere and yet Gardai in Dublin have ample time on their hands to entertain this blatant lawlessness, standing by hooded hooligans who not just illegally evicted tenants but also caused substantial damage to property.

The tenants have now regained access thank goodness, heads should roll for what has occurred, turfing people out on the street by hooded thugs in the middle of a pandemic is just extraordinary, some living there for 7 years FFS, I'm sickened, truly sickened.

Strumms

silver2020 wrote: »

I'd be very sceptical of what an organisation that almost encourages non payment or similar against landlords.

If the gardai were there as onlookers, then you can be sure that proper notice was given and as usual you get the "I knew nothing". Looks like the original landlord is at fault rather than the tenants themselves

Whatever about the eviction being rightful or wrongful.... Gardai standing by, observing and facilitating criminal damage occurring to property is a bit concerning.

uptherebels

Yurt! wrote: »

Yes. Between the tenants and the masked heavies, the probability as to who trashed everything is exactly equal. Yes.

Which part did you have difficulty understanding?

Dempo1

Strumms wrote: »

Whatever about the eviction being rightful or wrongful.... Gardai standing by, observing and facilitating criminal damage occurring to property is a bit concerning.

Agreed and you'd think the local inspector might have someone call someone and enquire if what was about to happen was acceptable in the middle of a pandemic, it's not the first time Gardai have been caught up in messy and questionable evictions. I also wondered if everything was in order, why is it the tenants have been allowed back into their homes this evening, something smells here. Just disgusting carry-on.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

A lot of information coming out on this after the fact.

Sub-letting mess by the look of it.

The woman in a video has been identified online as a ‘landlord’ by ex tenants which one suspects means she was subletting.

In the video the woman went very quick to claims of racism for the eviction.

Luckily one of the million homeless charities in Dublin had €500 to spare to house them last night.

KBC said they have nothing to do with the loan on the property.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-eviction-5175006-Aug2020/

smurgen

Was it being subleased to the people turfed out? Strange situation.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Strumms wrote: »

Whatever about the eviction being rightful or wrongful.... Gardai standing by, observing and facilitating criminal damage occurring to property is a bit concerning.

The Gardai were notified by the company prior to the eviction it seems and only attended after a 999 call.

The Gardai are there to prevent a breach of the peace, so no one gets hurt.

James Brown

Strumms wrote: »

Whatever about the eviction being rightful or wrongful.... Gardai standing by, observing and facilitating criminal damage occurring to property is a bit concerning.

Possibly their pals on a nixer.

Dempo1

Wibbs wrote: »

So what actually went on? Does anybody know?

Seems the original owner was in arrears for over 7 years, property was repossessed (unknown allegedly claims original owner), new owner takes over and decides to evict, what's not clear is if new owner followed acceptable and lawlful processes)

Fann Linn

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/naoisefalafel/status/1293892134240768002?s=20

Jesus Christ.

GSOC should be next port of call for these people.

KevRossi

Strumms wrote: »

Whatever about the eviction being rightful or wrongful.... Gardai standing by, observing and facilitating criminal damage occurring to property is a bit concerning.

You can do what you want to your own property, Gardai cannot intervene if you're not harming anybody and are not a danger to the public.

The Gardai would have been notified of the eviction, would have checked this with the courts and their own Super or HQ and would have gone there on that basis. They are there to uphold the peace and to ensure that a court order is fulfilled.

The fact that the eviction is illegal is not the fault of the Gardai, that's what the courts etc. are there for. So whoever is to blame, I'd put the Gardai well down the list.

The 'baliffs' had no I.D., which by law they have to produce if requested. There's a difference between a court ordered baliff and a private security firm, I'd say the line there may have been crossed.

The IT article is written by Jack Power, he's a sensationalist, and a cross between Kitty Holland and Eoghan 'Woke' McDermott. I wouldn;t put too much faith into his biased version of events. Alone the headlline 'men in dark clothing' is an embarrassment to a journalist.

The full facts will eventually come out, they always do. There will be a court case for compo if the eviction was illegal and we'll be able to make our minds up then.

Dempo1

Alana Obnoxious Clothespin wrote: »

The Gardai were notified by the company prior to the eviction it seems and only attended after a 999 call.

The Gardai are there to prevent a breach of the peace, so no one gets hurt.

They certainly excelled at their jobs, what about the criminal damage they stood by and watched occuring)???