Interested in purchasing a jeep

seligehgit

Not sure if this is the right place to post?

Interested in purchasing a jeep.

Recommendations re same would be appreciated.

Unsure what way to go re transmission type?

With the gradual ban on the production of diesel cars but at the present lower motor tax I've no idea what's best in terms vis a vis petrol,diesel,hydrid electric and the availability of same?

Can you get them in front wheel/4 wheel drive?

Thanks

punisher5112

seligehgit wrote: »

Not sure if this is the right place to post?

Interested in purchasing a jeep.

Recommendations re same would be appreciated.

Unsure what way to go re transmission type?

With the gradual ban on the production of diesel cars but at the present lower motor tax I've no idea what's best in terms vis a vis petrol,diesel,hydrid electric and the availability of same?

Can you get them in front wheel/4 wheel drive?

Thanks

What do you like, budget and need......

Range rover to Tata.....

So much fake SUV now on the road and proper 4x4 less now more then ever....

Suzuki Vitara in hybrid now, Toyota CH-r, Rav, pug 3008/5008 nice bus, Skoda,seat and vw doing the 3 similar ones across their line up too.... Audi in there too but more expensive of course.

seligehgit

punisher5112 wrote: »

What do you like, budget and need......

Range rover to Tata.....

So much fake SUV now on the road and proper 4x4 less now more then ever....

Suzuki Vitara in hybrid now, Toyota CH-r, Rav, pug 3008/5008 nice bus, Skoda,seat and vw doing the 3 similar ones across their line up too.... Audi in there too but more expensive of course.

Open re the budget

No specific needs

No fakes:D

I suppose the traditional ones

Land Rover

BMW or Mercedes variants

Currently driving a BMW,love same.

punisher5112

seligehgit wrote: »

Open re the budget

No specific needs

No fakes:D

I suppose the traditional ones

Land Rover

BMW or Mercedes variants

Currently driving a BMW,love same.

So you thinking X5 or maybe X3....

Land rover disco.

seligehgit

punisher5112 wrote: »

So you thinking X5 or maybe X3....

Land rover disco.

Perhaps but have an open mind.If a BMW or mercedes benz is better...

It's as much to know what my fellow boardsies ( motor experts ) would recommend.

Preference for manual transmission as I have no experience of an automatic.

My assumption is the likely contenders are 4 wheel drive.

Dislike the back wheel drive on current car.

An answer if possible to my quandry re the fuel type would be appreciated.

CharlieCroker

seligehgit wrote: »

Open re the budget

No specific needs

No fakes:D

I suppose the traditional ones

Land Rover

BMW or Mercedes variants

Currently driving a BMW,love same.

If the budget is open, I'd go for this all day long.
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Land-Rover/Range-Rover-Vogue/202003238703785

Regarding transmission, if you're going hybrid then it's going to be automatic by default

BnB

Maybe give a bit more of what your needs are. I know you said there weren't any specifics but there must be something....

What kind of driving do you do.... Eg Daily 2 hour commute or parked all week and only drive at weekends or.....?

Do you have any specific jeep needs? ie Do you need to do any towing or any off road or do you just like the size/look/driving position/whatever of a jeep (perfectly fine too)

Do you want 5 or 7 seats or is it a commercial (2 seats) you're looking for?

New or second hand?

Budget?

RE Automotive Vs Manual. Automatic gearboxes really go well with Jeeps. I've always been a hard core manual man for my cars but I had an Automatic Pajero for knocking around for a year and just loved it. Recently changed it for a manual VW Amorack (mainly went manual because I want the kids to learn to drive a manual) and I really miss the auto. Also, you'll find it very hard to get any of the newer marquee jeeps like discos, X5s and Q7s in a manual. Most of they haven't been available as a manual at all for a good few years.

punisher5112

Land rover discovery as mentioned
Audi Q7 I really like them...
BMW X3,x4,X5
Merc GL isn't it....
Toyota land cruiser army got a load of them end 2019
I'd forget the pajero as it looks like mitsubishi will be pulling out....
Pick ups would be another option but more industrial then the others and not as comfortable...

Then you move onto fakes and soft SUV such as what I mentioned previously.

Automatic has come a long ways and most will be turned, anything big definitely should be and I couldn't ever buy a BMW or Merc in manual anyway.

Fuel efficiency is now much better too and autos tend to be better.

Casati

If you want a proper jeep/ suv with four wheel drive and towing, then look for the best Toyota Landcruiser diesel you can afford. You can find loads of them with manual transmission and they don’t give trouble and hold value well

Most hybrids are terrible at towing or not rated at all so diesel is still the fuel of choice for proper machines

If you want something to give you the high seating, and road presence you have tonnes of options but again I’d have no hesitation buying a new diesel X5, X3, Audi A7, Toureg, Volvo XC90 size car as although you can find hybrid / plug in hybrids of these cars they are generally extremely expensive

If they ban the sale of new diesels SUV’s you will see demand for decent secondhands continue to grow as electric wont suit everybody for a v long time to come

punisher5112

Casati wrote: »

If you want a proper jeep/ suv with four wheel drive and towing, then look for the best Toyota Landcruiser diesel you can afford. You can find loads of them with manual transmission and they don’t give trouble and hold value well

Most hybrids are terrible at towing or not rated at all so diesel is still the fuel of choice for proper machines

If you want something to give you the high seating, and road presence you have tonnes of options but again I’d have no hesitation buying a new diesel X5, X3, Audi A7, Toureg, Volvo XC90 size car as although you can find hybrid / plug in hybrids of these cars they are generally extremely expensive

If they ban the sale of new diesels SUV’s you will see demand for decent secondhands continue to grow as electric wont suit everybody for a v long time to come

Yes the Volvo and toureg would be another good option....

Mad_maxx

Casati wrote: »

If you want a proper jeep/ suv with four wheel drive and towing, then look for the best Toyota Landcruiser diesel you can afford. You can find loads of them with manual transmission and they don’t give trouble and hold value well

Most hybrids are terrible at towing or not rated at all so diesel is still the fuel of choice for proper machines

If you want something to give you the high seating, and road presence you have tonnes of options but again I’d have no hesitation buying a new diesel X5, X3, Audi A7, Toureg, Volvo XC90 size car as although you can find hybrid / plug in hybrids of these cars they are generally extremely expensive

If they ban the sale of new diesels SUV’s you will see demand for decent secondhands continue to grow as electric wont suit everybody for a v long time to come

I wouldn't buy a landcruiser

Too expensive for what you get , incredibly boring to drive and the newer one's have no power , brother got a three year old one in June ,his fourteen year old one was more fun

Reliability is excellent though

I'd choose an audi Q7

Forget about manual, you won't find one second hand anyway

seligehgit

CharlieCroker wrote: »

If the budget is open, I'd go for this all day long.
https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/Land-Rover/Range-Rover-Vogue/202003238703785

Regarding transmission, if you're going hybrid then it's going to be automatic by default

That's a thing of beauty!

seligehgit

BnB wrote: »

Maybe give a bit more of what your needs are. I know you said there weren't any specifics but there must be something....

What kind of driving do you do.... Eg Daily 2 hour commute or parked all week and only drive at weekends or.....?

Do you have any specific jeep needs? ie Do you need to do any towing or any off road or do you just like the size/look/driving position/whatever of a jeep (perfectly fine too)

Do you want 5 or 7 seats or is it a commercial (2 seats) you're looking for?

New or second hand?

Budget?

RE Automotive Vs Manual. Automatic gearboxes really go well with Jeeps. I've always been a hard core manual man for my cars but I had an Automatic Pajero for knocking around for a year and just loved it. Recently changed it for a manual VW Amorack (mainly went manual because I want the kids to learn to drive a manual) and I really miss the auto. Also, you'll find it very hard to get any of the newer marquee jeeps like discos, X5s and Q7s in a manual. Most of they haven't been available as a manual at all for a good few years.

Minimal daily commutes.Tad more at the weekends.No off road terrains.

No specific jeep needs.just interested in upgrading to one.

5 seater should suffice.

New or second hand.

Budget should not be an issue.

seligehgit

seligehgit wrote: »

Open re the budget

No specific needs

No fakes:D

I suppose the traditional ones

Land Rover

BMW or Mercedes variants

Currently driving a BMW,love same.

seligehgit wrote: »

Perhaps but have an open mind.If a BMW or mercedes benz is better...

It's as much to know what my fellow boardsies ( motor experts ) would recommend.

Preference for manual transmission as I have no experience of an automatic.

My assumption is the likely contenders are 4 wheel drive.

Dislike the back wheel drive on current car.

An answer if possible to my quandry re the fuel type would be appreciated.

You won't get many manual merc or BMW SUVs.
Also, they'd be AWD not 4WD.... There's a fair difference.

Land Rover would mostly be 4WD.

coolbeans

seligehgit wrote: »

That's a thing of beauty!

If i had 150k€ to spend on a car it wouldn't be built by Land Rover. They're lovely when they're going but an alarming number seem to be scrapped or just left to rot at around the ten year old mark as they suffer from huge depreciation which is strongly linked to their dependability or lack thereof. Many a RR has been written off with air suspension issues alone. I remember having to visit lots of UK farms in my time and the number of dead Discovery Mk3 and Range Rovers was startling. Not so much with the Defender though as they're simpler and easily fixed.

selectamatic

2012+ facelift lexus rx450h

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-rx-2013-sport-facelift/25446116

Or the newer 2016+ model

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-rx450h-beige-leather-luxury-hybrid-auto/24511337

Very reliable, proven drivetrain and cheap tax. Available in front wheel drive or an awd type setup.

Mad_maxx

if the budget is large ,I'd buy the full electric new audi etron

seligehgit

Mad_maxx wrote: »

if the budget is large ,I'd buy the full electric new audi etron

On what basis outside the move to electric cars?

Darc19

I'd look at an actual jeep.
Grand Cherokee

Couple of 2016 models available under 30k.

Personally my favorite car. Heavy depreciation so would avoid new.

Mad_maxx

seligehgit wrote: »

On what basis outside the move to electric cars?

Well if the shift to electric continues to strengthen, it's likely that diesel engine SUV’s will by contrast, decrease in popularity?

seligehgit

Mad_maxx wrote: »

if the budget is large ,I'd buy the full electric new audi etron

Lovely.

I'll dig deeper into the vehicle's specs.

Mad_maxx

seligehgit wrote: »

Lovely.

I'll dig deeper into the vehicle's specs.

80 k plus new

punisher5112

Darc19 wrote: »

I'd look at an actual jeep.
Grand Cherokee

Couple of 2016 models available under 30k.

Personally my favorite car. Heavy depreciation so would avoid new.

Check out the moose test on YouTube

tabby aspreme

Mad_maxx wrote: »

if the budget is large ,I'd buy the full electric new audi etron

Be sure to spec one with some sort of spare wheel, saw one recently getting a piggyback on a truck due to a puncture

seligehgit

Opinions?

https://www.landrover.ie/vehicles-range-rover?carid=6384

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-top-reasons-for-not-buying-a-Range-Rover

THE BMW X5 AS PLUG-IN HYBRID

https://www.bmw.ie/en/all-models/x-series/X5/2019/bmw-x5-models-equipment.html

chicorytip

coolbeans wrote: »

If i had 150k€ to spend on a car it wouldn't be built by Land Rover. They're lovely when they're going but an alarming number seem to be scrapped or just left to rot at around the ten year old mark as they suffer from huge depreciation which is strongly linked to their dependability or lack thereof. Many a RR has been written off with air suspension issues alone. I remember having to visit lots of UK farms in my time and the number of dead Discovery Mk3 and Range Rovers was startling. Not so much with the Defender though as they're simpler and easily fixed.

Much of that is just hearsay. The best luxury SUV by far is the Land Rover Discovery or the Discovery Sport. Bombproof mechanically. The suspension issues associated with the mk3 version related to the airbag relays and tended to occur only in cases of hard off road driving. The majority of these kind of vehicles tend to have easy lives driven on good roads. "Chelsea Tractors", to use the vernacular.

JL555

I think you came to the wrong forum for advice, most, if not all of what is mentioned so far are not jeeps, Audi Q7 - not a jeep, BMW X3/X5, not jeeps.

California Dreamer

seligehgit wrote: »

Opinions?

https://www.landrover.ie/vehicles-range-rover?carid=6384

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-top-reasons-for-not-buying-a-Range-Rover

THE BMW X5 AS PLUG-IN HYBRID

https://www.bmw.ie/en/all-models/x-series/X5/2019/bmw-x5-models-equipment.html

So the budget is 100k plus?

You are being a bit vague in that area, as there is no point in someone recommending something in the 20k mark.

Mad_maxx

chicorytip wrote: »

Much of that is just hearsay. The best luxury SUV by far is the Land Rover Discovery or the Discovery Sport. Bombproof mechanically. The suspension issues associated with the mk3 version related to the airbag relays and tended to occur only in cases of hard off road driving. The majority of these kind of vehicles tend to have easy lives driven on good roads. "Chelsea Tractors", to use the vernacular.

Granted landrover are gorgeous to drive but they are not known for their reliability, owners tend to accept needing a maintenance - repair budget as a price worth paying

Darc19

JL555 wrote: »

I think you came to the wrong forum for advice, most, if not all of what is mentioned so far are not jeeps, Audi Q7 - not a jeep, BMW X3/X5, not jeeps.

Most, but definitely not all

colm_mcm

JL555 wrote: »

I think you came to the wrong forum for advice, most, if not all of what is mentioned so far are not jeeps, Audi Q7 - not a jeep, BMW X3/X5, not jeeps.

Ironically the OP wanted to buy a Jeep® last year

I think we all know when someone’s looking for the J word that it’s not that American muck they mean.

Darc19

colm_mcm wrote: »

Ironically the OP wanted to buy a Jeep® last year

I think we all know when someone’s looking for the J word that it’s not that American muck they mean.

I've had two. Both did big mileage and neither ever needed any major work.

I just checked my original UK one (1997 - sold 2002) and it got its last mot in 2014. Not bad going for "muck".

punisher5112

Matt on YouTube in the banana is going strong in the 4.2 pulling people out of the desert, beach and mountain etc.... He has done some serious suspension work though...

ustari

Bit of waste of time this thread imo, budget is open supposedly but doubtful in reality I suspect. Think you need to go and drive and see some cars in the flesh and then do your research based off what you like. Possibilities are endless if your budget is indeed relatively limitless (new RR or X5 as you posted).

The J Stands for Jay

coolbeans wrote: »

If i had 150k€ to spend on a car it wouldn't be built by Land Rover. They're lovely when they're going but an alarming number seem to be scrapped or just left to rot at around the ten year old mark as they suffer from huge depreciation which is strongly linked to their dependability or lack thereof. Many a RR has been written off with air suspension issues alone. I remember having to visit lots of UK farms in my time and the number of dead Discovery Mk3 and Range Rovers was startling. Not so much with the Defender though as they're simpler and easily fixed.

The disco 2 seems to be more common on the road than the 3. Probably the wrong thread, but make sure you get one with a diff lock.

TheBoyConor

Toyota Hilux or Landruiser or Izusu D-Max are probably the only proper capable 4x4s available today. The rest of the "4x4" offerings just Chealsea Tractor show pieces.

coolbeans

chicorytip wrote: »

Much of that is just hearsay. The best luxury SUV by far is the Land Rover Discovery or the Discovery Sport. Bombproof mechanically. The suspension issues associated with the mk3 version related to the airbag relays and tended to occur only in cases of hard off road driving. The majority of these kind of vehicles tend to have easy lives driven on good roads. "Chelsea Tractors", to use the vernacular.

Bomb proof mechanically? I'll politely disagree with you there.