A world without Ireland

king_of_mayo

I think other countries and cultures don't give us our due regard. Can you imagine what the world would look like without Ireland, its people, its contribution and impact? A vastly different and worse landscape. I think the government need to get on this and promote the country. Make other countries question and then realise how big Ireland has been on them. Remember that campaign they had in 2012 (homecoming or something) to get yanks to visit, well we need a year like that but bigger and target all the countries. A year of global Irishness.

We need to promote our country and people, we should never be ashamed or shy. Do you have any ideas on how to do this?

Spain has an ambassador program with Universities worldwide, where they will pay a portion of a lecturers salary to promote Spanish culture and the Spanish language in foreign countries. So the foreign university will hire a language lecturer anyway, but the Spanish government pays some of the salary requirements. It encourages universities to hire someone from Spain.

Seems a good way to promote awareness of Spanish Culture. I find in Asia, most people are generally unaware of Ireland except for Riverdance and Paddy's day (if that).

Randy Archer

Hmm, many of the British Commonwealth nations are well aware of Ireland and it’s past ; their natives of the Third world most certainly do in the last two decades with their cock n bull stories for asylum Eg Pakistan and Nigeria .It was the Irish churches who sent missionaries to Africa in the 1960s onwards

The Aussies have been dominated by many Irish sports people and politicians and head men of their RCC. Same with many populous parts of the US . Hell we cringe listening to Yanks waffle on about being Irish or one fifth Irish etc

The works of Joyce ,Wilde and Shaw are widely known to the intelligent folk- and all three of them got out of Ireland rather fast

Not sure we should or could pay universities to promote our language like the Spanish do, for not many here speak it. We have an Irish College in a prestigious spot in Paris (though that might be for theology ) Spain has a lot of people in South America and the US itself who speak Spanish as you all know

Don’t think we should be sitting on our laurels always looking to the past. When was the last time we saw a modern Irish literary great that could match Yeats, Joyce etc. Heaney ? Would he be counted ? (Preferred Mickey Longely myself but he is of the Unionist persuasion )

The Gathering in 2013 was indeed, as Gabriel Byrne said (though he lost out of a cushy ambassador gig related to it ), a scam. A year or two later the Irish Justice Department put in immigration policies (which I totally agree with and they are realistic) that really discouraged Yanks of Irish stock from living here as non economic residents ie required that each member had at least 50,000 quid at all times and it wouldn’t count for citizenship. The yanks , as per several Irish diaspora websites, weren’t impressed . Not sure they would be quick to come back

looksee

How to turn an invitation for suggestions of how to promote Ireland into a whinge-fest!

What 'due regard' are we automatically entitled to, above everyone else? Since when were the Irish 'ashamed or shy'?

And how to impress a large section of our potential visitors - by describing them as 'yanks', yes that will bring them over!

Randy Archer

looksee wrote: »

How to turn an invitation for suggestions of how to promote Ireland into a whinge-fest!

What 'due regard' are we automatically entitled to, above everyone else? Since when were the Irish 'ashamed or shy'?

And how to impress a large section of our potential visitors - by describing them as 'yanks', yes that will bring them over!

I prefer to deal with realities . Patting ourselves on the back thinking “aren’t we great, how come no one else thinks so” is no way to go about it . You have a problem with facts and realities, go find your safe space

It is not a whinge fest to point out how idiotic the other three posts are

Want to promote Ireland ?

Invest in the arts here .When was the last time a big film was primarily done here ,like Braveheart ? (I know a few Scenes of Star Wars took place here and Game of Thrones was done in the North but ..l)

Promote the economy and business ideas that can spread to the rest of the world . We all remember Apple’s plans to build a few data base premises in Athenry, look what happened there .

We offer very little new in terms of culture Today . Hard to flog a dead horse , so it’s remarkable how many foreigners do come over for Blooms Day every year

Sure the modern Irish don’t give a fiddlers for Joyce and the language etc, so why should the rest of the world ?

king_of_mayo

Randy Archer wrote: »

I prefer to deal with realities . Patting ourselves on the back thinking “aren’t we great, how come no one else thinks so” is no way to go about it . You have a problem with facts and realities, go find your safe space

I appreciate what you're saying and I can sense your passion through the posts. But I think it's lacking a bit of nuance.

You say we had great Arts and no longer, and no longer even read them, I agree. But it's ok to acknowledge that. I can say to a Spaniard that Ireland was the bastion of Christianity after the fall of Rome and endured sackings by the Vikings but we held on, and look at the Book of Kells. That doesn't mean today we need, or are, as pious. The country has stages. I think we're past an Arts one, that doesn't mean we shouldn't shout from the rooftops about it.

I think nowadays we're about economy and other stuff. We can point to the up an downs and say truthfully that the country is soaring when averaged out.

Randy Archer

king_of_mayo wrote: »

I appreciate what you're saying and I can sense your passion through the posts. But I think it's lacking a bit of nuance.

You say we had great Arts and no longer, and no longer even read them, I agree. But it's ok to acknowledge that. I can say to a Spaniard that Ireland was the bastion of Christianity after the fall of Rome and endured sackings by the Vikings but we held on, and look at the Book of Kells. That doesn't mean today we need, or are, as pious. The country has stages. I think we're past an Arts one, that doesn't mean we shouldn't shout from the rooftops about it.

I think nowadays we're about economy and other stuff. We can point to the up an downs and say truthfully that the country is soaring when averaged out.

Irish Christianity has done some great things all over Europe. They educated the Kings of Europe through their monasteries etc. Italy, Scotland, Switzerland ,France etc

Irish Christianity also educated and converted many in Africa through their missionaries

But let’s face it, today’s Ireland want to get as far away from the churches as possible

Clonmacnoise is actually packed out every day of the tourist season, in fact, speaking with workers there, they could do with extensions as improved facilities (plans for cycleway for Dublin Galway will pass Near by this site and there’s talk of another coming up from Clonbunny side of Athlone so that will attract more people and it’s not very far from Athlone at all); . So, that place is doing well .

Newgrange and Knowth are pretty active and who knows what will happen with the discovery they made close to those sites two summers ago

Trinity College has no problem getting people to see the book of Kells

Considering Dublin had very visible Viking settlement cemented over by a ghastly looking local government office .......

My point, we need to improve infrastructure and value for money to the tourist before we go parading around the world . We could probably do with reminding our locals of the history of the area as some either take it for granted or are pig ignorant of the history . also, Ireland is a rip off for Tourists who come here

murpho999

I really don't think Irish missionaries "educating" Kings or people in Africa and converting them (sounds like oppression) is something to be proud of .

I think Ireland has punched above it's weight in terms of culture with music, poetry and literature.

Also, think Ireland has a lot to offer tourists with great scenery and nice cities to visit with an improving food scene and vibrant culture.

biko

Ireland and Irishness is promoting itself pretty well.
Irish bars in most countries and people join in on St Patrick's celebrations.

This is China, not well known for celebrating other cultures.

Ficheall

On balance, I think the world would be better off without Ireland - there'd be no Bono.

Randy Archer

murpho999 wrote: »

I really don't think Irish missionaries "educating" Kings or people in Africa and converting them (sounds like oppression) is something to be proud of .

I think Ireland has punched above it's weight in terms of culture with music, poetry and literature.

Also, think Ireland has a lot to offer tourists with great scenery and nice cities to visit with an improving food scene and vibrant culture.

May not, but they did play a role in the education of these people. Not like the African governments were in any way capable of it . Ireland was a major centre of education , contrary to the Brits defaming the nation as a bunch of savages

The monasteries were more than teaching kings about JC and his posse.

Strumms

Randy Archer wrote: »

I prefer to deal with realities . Patting ourselves on the back thinking “aren’t we great, how come no one else thinks so” is no way to go about it . You have a problem with facts and realities, go find your safe space

It is not a whinge

Invest in the arts here .When was the last time a big film was primarily done here ,like Braveheart ? (I know a few Scenes of Star Wars took place here and Game of Thrones was done in the North but ..l)


We offer very little new in terms of culture Today . Hard to flog a dead horse , so it’s remarkable how many foreigners do come over for Blooms Day every year

Sure the modern Irish don’t give a fiddlers for Joyce and the language etc, so why should the rest of the world ?

Throughout the boom and even afterwards to this day. People in Ireland get a horn about talking about balance sheets, money, corporate success and blowing off big corporations so they might ‘think’ about landing a few jobs over here.

Gone are the days where too we might try and be facilitating of the arts or anything that we were once known for...

What is Ireland good for ? Ohh a talented and educated workforce that you can tap into, make a shît load of money in about 8 years then make them all redundant and fûck off somewhere cheaper.

Catherine Martin the incumbent minister now will have a portfolio called...minister for...‘Media, Tourism, Arts, Culture, Sport and the Gaeltacht’
The minister for ‘ look sure, here is a load of stuff you can be getting on with ‘.

Skylinehead

Can you imagine a world without Ireland?

No Quiet Man

No Ryan's Daughter

No Burnt Hops

No Gay Byrne

No Charlie Haughy lovable Gobsh|te

JoChervil

It should cheer you all up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X7fZoDs9KU

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king_of_mayo

We need more ideas. Ok, Randy Archer to placate you let's ramp up the amount of money put into music and dance in schools. In ten years plus, we'll reap dividends in pop culture and others.

I knew a girl from China once. I asked her what she knew of Ireland before coming here, she said nothing except Westlife. Imagine that, a city of millions you've never heard of and the big school there had multiple Westlife disco nights. We need to play on this kind of hard cultural currency. We should have lads following up on this, bigging up Ireland. We should have been sending Westlife there and getting them to promote the country.

We're so creative, these ideas are just popping. We can do it.

king_of_mayo

king_of_mayo wrote: »

We're so creative, these ideas are just popping. We can do it.

In a culturally curious. No native wants to pay for an idea.





Oh, there'd be no Late Late TOY Show.

OU812

biko wrote: »

Ireland and Irishness is promoting itself pretty well.
Irish bars in most countries and people join in on St Patrick's celebrations.

This is China, not well known for celebrating other cultures.

We pay for that. Only a small fee, or else supply the equipment & people to do it, but they don't do it off their own bat.

murpho999

OU812 wrote: »

We pay for that. Only a small fee, or else supply the equipment & people to do it, but they don't do it off their own bat.

The point is though that they allow it and co-operate. They wouldn't do that with every country.

wassie

Paddy "Hey World, I think you don't give us our due regard. Can you imagine what the world would look like without us, its people, its contribution and impact?"

World ** crickets **

fryup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMYYtR7TmjU

riffmongous

I wish we'd step up and do more internationally at the conflict arena, we've got a decent rep (outside of one particular country), a clean slate (no history of imperialism as a state, a good UN record) and a legacy of dealing with violence, we should be able to use that and while we're never going to be a massive influencer we should at least try because I'd bet we could do some good.

king_of_mayo

wassie wrote: »

Paddy "Hey World, I think you don't give us our due regard. Can you imagine what the world would look like without us, its people, its contribution and impact?"

World ** crickets **

You're thinking in the wrong terms. It's not about asking, it's about telling. It's about getting out there and taking what's ours. Getting countries switched on and generating revenue (monetary, cultural) for the nation. Other countries don't cower down and we won't either.

Randy Archer

king_of_mayo wrote: »

We need more ideas. Ok, Randy Archer to placate you let's ramp up the amount of money put into music and dance in schools. In ten years plus, we'll reap dividends in pop culture and others.

I knew a girl from China once. I asked her what she knew of Ireland before coming here, she said nothing except Westlife. Imagine that, a city of millions you've never heard of and the big school there had multiple Westlife disco nights. We need to play on this kind of hard cultural currency. We should have lads following up on this, bigging up Ireland. We should have been sending Westlife there and getting them to promote the country.

We're so creative, these ideas are just popping. We can do it.

Invest in the arts, tax breaks for Hollywood to come back here. Support artists who put Ireland on the map. Just last week Dolores Keane , a very famous singer was in the papers because the Covid cuts may harm her ability to pay her mortgage l she can’t travel to do her job

Encourage better community engagement with the locals about the history of their areas . Perhaps encourage the locals to embrace the culture more ie language (not sure how much more can be done there , teachers believe that the methods used to teach it are essential )

As for West Life, well, they actually tour China , so of course they know of them. Don’t think even Bono go that far . Once China opens up the country to horse racing, as Hong Kong does, they will be finding out exactly who JP Magnier is very very quickly

Let’s not plague China with crap like West life. Christy Burgh got the hump when tourist Ireland told him to **** off when he was looking for a paid job to promote Ireland in Germany, around the time that the daughter was making a name for herself in Germany’s version of playboy

Creative ??? Ha ha ha . Come off it. Nothing creative about many Irish music acts past and present especially West life. U2 had it in the 1990s but the Yanks hated it So they went back to type in the 2000s . A lot of the acts has been awful bland generic mid Atlantic pop crap .We ape other nations like Britain ,Christ even the football chants aren’t original . The script ? Sweet Jesus ...You have seen the dross that they sent out to the Eurovision. ? Everyone is hyped about Hozier. Yes he has a good voice but he’d be still in some shot hole cafe singing to toe people if it weren’t for the gay pride song take me to church . He’s pure muck other than that and has got a hell of a lot uppity in recent times. Like wise ya waun from the Linertirs who just copies 1950s hillbillies - Johnny got a boom boom . Imelda May - no one heard from her in years and were happy with that until that laughable poem she wrote recently

Get people like Martin McDonagh , playwright and film director on board , least he will give people a laugh

Randy Archer

Seriously , I think we ought to stop giving a **** about what other nations think of us . It’s a bit pathetic and childish

sxt

riffmongous wrote: »

I wish we'd step up and do more internationally at the conflict arena, we've got a decent rep (outside of one particular country), a clean slate (no history of imperialism as a state, a good UN record) and a legacy of dealing with violence, we should be able to use that and while we're never going to be a massive influencer we should at least try because I'd bet we could do some good.

I think we have zero rep in regards conflict since Iraq . We are a slave country in affect, dependant on our masters. We facilitated America by letting them use Shannon Airport to bomb the oblivion out of Iraq. This resulted in killing hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians.

We have no moral high ground to stand on

Randy Archer

Randy Archer wrote: »

We have an Irish College in a prestigious spot in Paris (though that might be for theology ) Spain has a lot of people in South America and the US itself who speak Spanish as you all know

The Irish College is Paris isnt really a college anymore, it's just accommodation. It is open to for any Irish students in Paris, although some law students at Paris 2 (university) get priority.

I think they have even started accepting Irish tourists for short-term stays, but I'd imagine places are extremely limited.

Theres a big Irish population in Paris and the College regularly hosts events, concerts, literary seminars and the like. It's a really cool place, I'm surprised that the Government bought it from the Catholic Church. because it's probably one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in Paris.

bnt

Imagine a world without Scotland. That's about as hard as it would be for an American to imagine a world without Ireland i.e. not all that hard depending on your ancestry.

Ipso

sxt wrote: »

I think we have zero rep in regards conflict since Iraq . We are a slave country in affect, dependant on our masters. We facilitated America by letting them use Shannon Airport to bomb the oblivion out of Iraq. This resulted in killing hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians.

We have no moral high ground to stand on

Those outlets for mass emigration.
Given Ireland's wonderful past on it's treatment of children, you've no need to evoke the Iraq war for moral high ground.

bnt

bnt wrote: »

Imagine a world without Scotland. That's about as hard as it would be for an American to imagine a world without Ireland i.e. not all that hard depending on your ancestry.

No Donald Trump.

I guess we could sacrifice Scotland...

riffmongous

sxt wrote: »

I think we have zero rep in regards conflict since Iraq . We are a slave country in affect, dependant on our masters. We facilitated America by letting them use Shannon Airport to bomb the oblivion out of Iraq. This resulted in killing hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians.

We have no moral high ground to stand on

Norway are full on members of NATO and were actively involved in Iraq and yet they still play a role in the search for peace in many other conflicts

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/topics/foreign-affairs/peace-and-reconciliation-efforts/innsiktsmappe/peace_efforts/id732943/

Capt'n Midnight

king_of_mayo wrote: »

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Randy Archer

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Irish College is Paris isnt really a college anymore, it's just accommodation. It is open to for any Irish students in Paris, although some law students at Paris 2 (university) get priority.

I think they have even started accepting Irish tourists for short-term stays, but I'd imagine places are extremely limited.

Theres a big Irish population in Paris and the College regularly hosts events, concerts, literary seminars and the like. It's a really cool place, I'm surprised that the Government bought it from the Catholic Church. because it's probably one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in Paris.

Ya it’s in an excellent spot too

I Am Nobody

A world without Ireland would still be the world.Granted they would be missing out on what Ireland offered,but it would still go on.

Randy Archer

Randy Archer wrote: »

Ya it’s in an excellent spot too

The Irish Embassy is another stunning building, might be the most beautiful publicly-owned Irish building, and surely the only one belonging to the Belle Epoque.

They're a particularly active embassy in promoting Ireland in France. They promote everything from Paris GAA (Paris Gaels) to Father Ted, and do loads to promote Irish food.

Have only ever seen inside one other Irish embassy, Berlin, which is like a set from The Office. Not great.