Horse injured in cruelty incident

Pkiernan

What a hell hole.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1154730/

Setting horses on fire. Ffs.

Think of all the tax payers moneys that goes into this kip.

Zebra3

Pkiernan wrote: »

What a hell hole.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1154730/

Setting horses on fire. Ffs.

Think of all the tax payers moneys that goes into this kip.

Is everyone in Darndale setting fire to horses?

And how much taxpayers' money is going in to the place?

Someone please fix this forum.

Don't worry about the kind of person that does this. The Gardai and judiciary don't mess around with this kind of stuff. He'll get a severe slap on the wrist if he does it again, you can be sure of it. And if he does it, and gets caught, another 126 times, he'll definitely see the inside of a prison. Maybe even for a full day!

That'll teach him!

Man with broke phone

They need to learn that shopkeepers arnt badguys that need to be robbed, the police arnt bad guys who take our taxes to arrest us and the world doesnt owe them a living.
Education could be a thing that doesnt seem to be tried there. They dont teach how tax and law and reasons for rules happen. They dont understand that if the system broke down tomorrow, which they seem to want there would be no welfare, no medicine, no week long parties.
They arnt educated how to even set up a legal business or even the benefits of working In a civil service or reliable job. Piles of them enter into the hand black market work and some of them enter Dodgey jobs and crime.
Crop dusting is the easy option but long term it will lead to crop dusting anybody that isn't perfect or privileged.

Kylta

Pkiernan wrote: »

What a hell hole.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1154730/

Setting horses on fire. Ffs.

Think of all the tax payers moneys that goes into this kip.

My opinion is that the people who did this to the horse should be treated in the same way, burnt. I hate any ¢unt who's cruel to animals.

Saying that I don't live in darndale, but I know people who live there, people I work with and I've friends there too. But I wonder should a whole area have to take the blame for what a few scumbags are doing. So your thread might been better served with. The scumbags that burnt the horse should be burnt has punishment instead of the named post above. If your angry over this it should be with the fu¢kers that did it, not all people who have to live there.

.anon.

It's never enough to be outraged at a disgusting act of animal cruelty. There always has to be a massive hateful generalisation about a place, a class or a group of people too. Never mind all the decent people who live there.

Man with broke phone

Kylta wrote: »

My opinion is that the people who did this to the horse should be treated in the same way, burnt. I hate any ¢unt who's cruel to animals.

Saying that I don't live in darndale, but I know people who live there, people I work with and I've friends there too. But I wonder should a whole area have to take the blame for what a few scumbags are doing. So your thread might been better served with. The scumbags that burnt the horse should be burnt has punishment instead of the named post above. If your over this it should be with the fu¢kers that did it, the all who have to live there.

The main lads that seem to be leading the gang that done this are from a family of drug addicts, raised by drug addicts raised by drug addicts, mental illness probably in 50 per cent of the families, nobody gives a **** until one of them burns a horse. They have to nip those stuff in the bud. Cant just go burning people when society let's them down. Probably had 20 times where social services could intervene, probably didnt bother because their mental family threatened somebody and nobody wanted the hassle.

Kylta

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The main lads that seem to be leading the gang that done this are from a family of drug addicts, raised by drug addicts raised by drug addicts, mental illness probably in 50 per cent of the families, nobody gives a shot until one of them burns a horse. They have to nip those stuff in the bud. Cant just go burning people when society let's them down. Probably had 20 times where social services could intervene, probably didnt bother because their mental family threatened somebody and nobody wanted the hassle.

Thats one or more than one family. But should a whole area be condemned for what a bunch of scumbags have done. There is good and bad in every area, but sometimes when certain areas are mentioned in the media it gives the assumption that the whole area is full of scumbags. I wonder if the poor horse was burnted in castleknock who people be quick to say castleknock is full of scumbags

mikeym

The poor horse.

Don't believe it.

DSPCA in particular have form for making outlandish claims, very similar to this, that were later disproven.

The law of parsimony, Occam's Razor, is a good law. Simple explanations should be preferred. The simple explanation here is of an accident.

Man with broke phone

Kylta wrote: »

Thats one or more than one family. But should a whole area be condemned for what a bunch of scumbags have done. There is good and bad in every area, but sometimes when certain areas are mentioned in the media it gives the assumption that the whole area is full of scumbags. I wonder if the poor horse was burnted in castleknock who people be quick to say castleknock is full of scumbags

It was part of a gang fight that's going on in the area, from what I'm hearing,older fellas on one side weren't any way decent but the younger gang seem to have no morals. We were thought at that age with the horse schemes and that to be somewhat respectable to them, I dont think they have them anymore, younger fellas seem to have scrambles dont know dont live there anymore. Live amongst a pile of new Irish who seem to have more respect for the country than these families.

Oscar Bravo

So sad. poor horse

.anon.

Kylta wrote: »

If your angry over this it should be with the fu¢kers that did it, not all people who have to live there.

I'd say he's just angry, generally. This incident is just an excuse to express that anger.

SlowMotion321

Man with broke phone wrote: »

They need to learn that shopkeepers arnt badguys that need to be robbed, the police arnt bad guys who take our taxes to arrest us and the world doesnt owe them a living.
Education could be a thing that doesnt seem to be tried there. They dont teach how tax and law and reasons for rules happen. They dont understand that if the system broke down tomorrow, which they seem to want there would be no welfare, no medicine, no week long parties.
They arnt educated how to even set up a legal business or even the benefits of working In a civil service or reliable job. Piles of them enter into the hand black market work and some of them enter Dodgey jobs and crime.
Crop dusting is the easy option but long term it will lead to crop dusting anybody that isn't perfect or privileged.

Lived there have you, used the same educational system?

One scumbag does something scumbaggy and however many people live in the same area get tarred with the same brush! If you are that offended get off boards and do something about it!

I've lived in Finglas and Ballymun all my life somewhere very like Darndale in it's own way, filled with good people who get deamonised as a whole when some prick decides to do something nasty and some other prick decides everyone who lives there should be steralised!

James Brown

Heather Humphreys will pass a letter on the owners behalf no doubt. Animal cruelty is okay with her it would seem.

Kylta

mikeym wrote: »

The poor horse.

Hopefully they can save the horse,

suicide_circus

be good to keep an eye on whatever jeffrey dahmer wannabe did this, guaranteed he'll move on to long pig sooner or later.

Man with broke phone

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Lived there have you, used the same educational system?

One scumbag does something scumbaggy and however many people live in the same area get tarred with the same brush! If you are that offended get off boards and do something about it!

I've lived in Finglas and Ballymun all my life somewhere very like Darndale in it's own way, filled with good people who get deamonised as a whole when some prick decides to do something nasty and some other prick decides everyone who lives there should be steralised!

And yet you are too banjaxed to realise I'm the one arguing for people from there not to be crop dusted. You should blame your schooling or the op not the fella explaining why you are the way you are.

SlowMotion321

Man with broke phone wrote: »

And yet you are too banjaxed to realise I'm the one arguing for people from there not to be crop dusted. You should blame your schooling or the op not the fella explaining why you are the way you are.

Actually I was poking fun at your grammar, should have edited it better! The rest was aimed at the 'can't find my pitchfork brigade'

Man with broke phone

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Actually I was poking fun at your grammar, should have edited it better!

Luckily I didnt need grammar in my line of work, my education in darndale didnt give me great grammar. I do better than most though, look at the gangland thread.

Ted_YNWA

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Actually I was poking fun at your grammar, should have edited it better! The rest was aimed at the 'can't find my pitchfork brigade'

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Luckily I didnt need grammar in my line of work, my education in darndale didnt give me great grammar. I do better than most though, look at the gangland thread.

Cut it out, or you'll get detention. This is not grammar school.

Kylta

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Lived there have you, used the same educational system?

One scumbag does something scumbaggy and however many people live in the same area get tarred with the same brush! If you are that offended get off boards and do something about it!

I've lived in Finglas and Ballymun all my life somewhere very like Darndale in it's own way, filled with good people who get deamonised as a whole when some prick decides to do something nasty and some other prick decides everyone who lives there should be steralised!

I actually think the media is responsible for demonising certain areas with a lot of the crap it publishes to sell their rags. I've friends who live in the mullingar and a few years back. I was working on a job in ballymun for a week. They were only short of lighting candles for my safety. Now how would you think they got that idea that ballymun was the wild west. The media. The media give the headlines no go areas, lawlessness etc. I think when people actually visit these so called kips they realise that the majority's of the people who live there are actually genuine people.

Collie D

No amount of education is going to prevent someone from burning a living thing alive.

That’s an inherent ****ing evil.

SlowMotion321

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Luckily I didn't need grammar in my line of work, my education in Darndale didn't give me great grammar. I do better than most though, look at the gangland thread.

byhookorbycrook

As someone whose money goes on keeping a horse in a safe and kind environment, this drives me nuts.
Horses legally have to be chipped, have a passport and be registered to a solid faculty ,this isn’t good enough..

SlowMotion321

Collie D wrote: »

No amount of education is going to prevent someone from burning a living thing alive.

That’s an inherent ****ing evil.

No argument there, my issue is with the fact that the area was picked up on!

ChikiChiki

.anon. wrote: »

It's never enough to be outraged at a disgusting act of animal cruelty. There always has to be a massive hateful generalisation about a place, a class or a group of people too. Never mind all the decent people who live there.

Some of the vermin coming out of Darndale these days is incredible though. There are plenty of good law abiding folks in there who should be resettled and nuke whats left of the kip.

anewme

The urban horses live a miserable existence and many die of neglect and cruelty. It is a skanger thing and very evident in certain areas.

Charities like My Lovely Horse Rescue brave dangerous personal situations and put the animals first. I have a huge respect for these volunteers.

ronivek

Kylta wrote: »

Now how would you think they got that idea that ballymun was the wild west.

See https://www.offthewallirishphotos.com/everyday-life-in-ireland for more interesting photos.

Ballymun literally was 'the wild west' at times; well known for its horses. It's quite a bit better these days thanks in part to a lot of regeneration work that has gone on.

This idea that there aren't severely disadvantaged areas with significant levels of crime and antisocial behaviour is clearly nonsense; as is the idea that every single person who lives in these areas is automatically a criminal.

I suspect that even quite a few of the 'criminal' sort would also not take very kindly to someone setting a horse on fire. Disgusting behaviour.

Man with broke phone

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

As someone whose money goes on keeping a horse in a safe and kind environment, this drives me nuts.
Horses legally have to be chipped, have a passport and be registered to a solid faculty ,this isn’t good enough..

The education system in darndale teaches us that we can be anything we want to be, without teaching us how, some of us have parents that tell us we cant have stuff we cant afford but some have parents who say **** it why should me my granny and my kids be poor, you see kids on scramblers or horses or wearing them apple earphones or jackets because that's what is advertised to them, nobody advertises hard work or getting a civil service job or anything other than getting something shiny.
There are horse burners in every part of society but a fella who was born in that deserves a bit of understanding rather than a fella who was offered everything and stabbed a slow girl and threw her stuff In a reservoir but who will get the most flak?

Kylta

suicide_circus wrote: »

be good to keep an eye on whatever jeffrey dahmer wannabe did this, guaranteed he'll move on to long pig sooner or later.

I've spent most of my life living in flat complexs, I've some of them were seriously classed has no go areas. Which they weren't.
But in my life time many many years ago, a teenager (I seen it to late to stop it) setting a pigeon on fire and I watched as the fireball flew pass me. Well I couldn't get my hands on the ¢unt because he jumped a fence. He couldn't understand why I wanted to hurt him, so through the fence I asked him would he like me to burn him, and he reply was why would I do that to him. So I asked why he set the pigeon on fire and he just shrugged his shoulders. I never seen the little ¢unt again, he got arrested and got locked up, within two weeks of his sentence he was found dead in his cell. And everytime I think of that story I think his death was justice for the pigeon.

Collie D

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The education system in darndale teaches us that we can be anything we want to be, without teaching us how, some of us have parents that tell us we cant have stuff we cant afford but some have parents who say **** it why should me my granny and my kids be poor, you see kids on scramblers or horses or wearing them apple earphones or jackets because that's what is advertised to them, nobody advertises hard work or getting a civil service job or anything other than getting something shiny.
There are horse burners in every part of society but a fella who was born in that deserves a bit of understanding rather than a fella who was offered everything and stabbed a slow girl and threw her stuff In a reservoir but who will get the most flak?

No, they don’t. This is not someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed their family. Everyone in this country gets a free education and there are plenty of supports.

The second half of your paragraph is presumably referring to Graham Dwyer? The man is universally hated so not sure how you can say he doesn’t get the same flak?

Both him and anyone who would burn a horse are evil ****s.

Man with broke phone

Collie D wrote: »

No, they don’t. This is not someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed their family. Everyone in this country gets a free education and there are plenty of supports.

The second half of your paragraph is presumably referring to Graham Dwyer? The man is universally hated so not sure how you can say he doesn’t get the same flak?

Both him and anyone who would burn a horse are evil ****s.

Did anybody ask for D4 or wherever to be crop dusted when Graham did that?

dhaughton99

It just baffles me that urban horses are allowed in this day and age.

SlowMotion321

ronivek wrote: »

See https://www.offthewallirishphotos.com/everyday-life-in-ireland for more interesting photos.

Ballymun literally was 'the wild west' at times; well known for its horses. It's quite a bit better these days thanks in part to a lot of regeneration work that has gone on.

This idea that there aren't severely disadvantaged areas with significant levels of crime and antisocial behaviour is clearly nonsense; as is the idea that every single person who lives in these areas is automatically a criminal.

I suspect that even quite a few of the 'criminal' sort would also not take very kindly to someone setting a horse on fire. Disgusting behaviour.

Gods how old is that pic, I probably went to school with some of those kids or their brothers! Yes there were a hell of a lot of horses in both Finglas and Ballymun at the time, Smithfield market had a lot to do with that, most of the kids looked after their horses well and there were a few charities and community 'leaders' who helped out. A lot of the neglect that happened unfortunately was due to ignorance rather than malice, and the few scumbags that did do some nasty things to horses were often dealt with by other horse owners, I can remember actually seeing one of them being strung up!

Collie D

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Did anybody ask for D4 or wherever to be crop dusted when Graham did that?

I’d ignore the original poster who typed that, most rational people do. And a mod has amended the title anyway.

Man with broke phone

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Gods how old is that pic, I probably went to school with some of those kids or their brothers! Yes there were a hell of a lot of horses in both Finglas and Ballymun at the time, Smithfield market had a lot to do with that, most of the kids looked after their horses well and there were a few charities and community 'leaders' who helped out. A lot of the neglect that happened unfortunately was due to ignorance rather than malice, and the few scumbags that did do some nasty things to horses were often dealt with by other horse owners, I can remember actually seeing one of them being strung up!

I seen a fella being put under a horse before and the horses arse being clattered for something trivial when you compare it to setting a horse alight

SlowMotion321

Collie D wrote: »

I’d ignore the original poster who typed that, most rational people do. And a mod has amended the title anyway.

But...but.. i was just getting properly indignant!

Odelay

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Don't believe it.

DSPCA in particular have form for making outlandish claims, very similar to this, that were later disproven.

The law of parsimony, Occam's Razor, is a good law. Simple explanations should be preferred. The simple explanation here is of an accident.

So you think the horse became malnourished, full of worms and set him self on fire all by himself? You think that is the most logical explanation?

anewme

Odelay wrote: »

So you think the horse became malnourished, full of worms and set him self on fire all by himself? You think that is the most logical explanation?

Bizarre way of thinking.

Anyone who has any dealings with these areas know these urban horses live a pitiful existence.

endacl

Kylta wrote: »

Hopefully they can save the horse,

The overwhelming majority of impounded horses will be destroyed. It say the animal’s chances will be slim to nil unless somebody expresses an interest in taking him.

biko

"The most disadvantaged area in Dublin"
It's disadvantaged because it's got too many scummers living there.

SlowMotion321

biko wrote: »

"The most disadvantaged area in Dublin"
It's disadvantaged because it's got too many scummers living there.

Oh, well that's that then, let's just bomb the place back to the stone age! :rolleyes:

osarusan

Enforce existing legislation.

Say a 3-month period to give people time to chip horses, then once the grace period expires, every and any horse without a chip is impounded and not released until the price of chipping, and a fine, is paid, and there's only a short window to do that before the animal is destroyed/rehomed/placed beyond reclaiming.

SlowMotion321

osarusan wrote: »

Enforce existing legislation.

Say a 3-month period to give people time to chip horses, then once the grace period expires, every and any horse without a chip is impounded and not released until the price of chipping, and a fine, is paid, and there's only a short window to do that before the animal is destroyed/rehomed/placed beyond reclaiming.

Chip the horse for free! There is no point fining people who probably can't afford it! And before people say if they can afford a horse they can afford a fine, that's bollox you can go down to smithfield market or whatever it's current equivalent is and get a horse for the price of a few pints. Before corrupt local and government politicians started selling off all the green space to greedy developers and lining their pockets there were plenty of places to keep and look after horses! I know a couple of pretty successful jockeys who grew up riding horses in Finglas!

Infini

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Oh, well that's that then, let's just bomb the place back to the stone age! :rolleyes:

Nah just throw the usual suspects on an island..... preferrably somewhere in the artic circle.

osarusan

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Chip the horse for free!

Nope, they can pay to chip the horse before claiming it.


Destroying the animal would be free though.

byhookorbycrook

Horses must be legally chipped , have a passport and be registered as being kept at a suitable premises.

I own a horse and would love to have a few more , but I can’t afford them . I was working for 12 years before I could get one. If you can’t afford to keep an animal properly , then you shouldn’t have it , plain and simple .

byhookorbycrook

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Horses must be legally chipped , have a passport and be registered as being kept at a suitable premises.

I own a horse and would love to have a few more , but I can’t afford them . I was working for 12 years before I could get one. If you can’t afford to keep an animal properly , then you shouldn’t have it , plain and simple .

Yeah that's grand, but most of us who've kept horses couldn't afford them.

I'm talking about rural people here. My Dad used to joke (except, it was true) that the cattle were there to pay the rent for horses. That's a fairly common scenario wherever horses are kept.

The truth is that most small breeders are not making a profit from horses. So can we put a stop to this nonsense that urban horses are somehow in a different category to your average farmer (who really shouldn't be breeding pointless halfbreds anyway)? Hardly any of the best breeders can afford to keep horses. That's a known fact.

As a horse person yourself, I know you'll appreciate the point that horses do not care about aesthetics. Whether an animal is kept on common land beside the canal, or in a meadow in North Tipp, matters not one jot.

The worst type of horse owner you will ever encounter is the guy who owns one single horse, and treats that horse like a baby. These people are unbearable. They are too precious about their horse, and horses generally.

When it comes to animal welfare, you have to be pragmatic. Is the animal distressed? Is there any point in destroying an animal simply because you disapprove of the conditions in which it is kept? I have observed plenty of animals kept on wasteland in Dublin, and not once have I seen a horse in real distress.

Ponies, in particular, are amazingly robust.

We need to put a stop to this extreme sensitivity, and consider what social advantages might pertain to young men and women keeping horses, and the focus and the discipline which they might learn from such a valuable endeavour.

endacl

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Oh, well that's that then, let's just bomb the place back to the stone age! :rolleyes:

Wouldn’t take a big bomb!

:pac: