Car bought from reputable dealer

cossie2

im buying a car from a very reputable car dealer. in dublin. im in cork. its being delivered during the week to me. when i asked about the nct(its a 2015), i was told that it came in during covid, so no nct on it. he told me he would book it in to my local nct centre and arrange booking and pay for it. is this normal? but can i drive it legally? the car is obviouslt pefect, but.....

Rodin

cossie2 wrote: »

im buying a car from a very reputable car dealer. in dublin. im in cork. its being delivered during the week to me. when i asked about the nct(its a 2015), i was told that it came in during covid, so no nct on it. he told me he would book it in to my local nct centre and arrange booking and pay for it. is this normal? but can i drive it legally? the car is obviouslt pefect, but.....

Should have been NCT'd in 2019 and not due again until 2021.

Whocare

Car dealer are not to be trusted. What will he say if it fail on some suspension part you're problem or will he pay for repairs

Whocare

Rodin wrote: »

Should have been NCT'd in 2019 and not due again until 2021.

If that the case it shouldn't be driven on road. High risk of fine / it being seized

appledrop

A 'reputable' dealer wouldn't be taking a car in that should have been nct in 2019.

If you buy this you need your head examined. No one is allowed legally to drive that car on road.

Toyotafanboi

Agreed, a 15 car should have been tested in 19 and again in 21. It's not unusual though for less than careful owners just not bother doing the first test until the car is well overdue, or at all, particularly if they dont plan on keeping it.

We've had to do a good bit of that lately with cars with expired tests. If the car sells, book and pay for a test in the new owners closest centre. Even with a trade card we are finding we can only get dates 7 or 8 weeks away.

You technically shouldn't be driving without a valid NCT.

That being said, you have proof it's a newly purchased car from a reputable dealer and with your tax and insurance docs in order, given the current Covid NCT situation, coupled with the pre Covid NCT lift situation and the fact that all certs have been extended by 16 weeks, the NCT system is chronically backlogged. A small application of common sense should see you right.

Personally i'd have no issue chancing it, no Gard will be giving you hassle over it, with proof of a booking.

colm_mcm

OP have you seen the car in the flesh?

Toyotafanboi

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Agreed, a 15 car should have been tested in 19 and again in 21. It's not unusual though for less than careful owners just not bother doing the first test until the car is well overdue, or at all, particularly if they dont plan on keeping it.

We've had to do a good bit of that lately with cars with expired tests. If the car sells, book and pay for a test in the new owners closest centre. Even with a trade card we are finding we can only get dates 7 or 8 weeks away.

You technically shouldn't be driving without a valid NCT.

That being said, you have proof it's a newly purchased car from a reputable dealer and with your tax and insurance docs in order, given the current Covid NCT situation, coupled with the pre Covid NCT lift situation and the fact that all certs have been extended by 16 weeks, the NCT system is chronically backlogged. A small application of common sense should see you right.

Personally i'd have no issue chancing it, no Gard will be giving you hassle over it, with proof of a booking.

Whether they’d get away with it or not is irrelevant. It sounds like a massive scam seeing as the dealer is using Covid to lie about the car. God knows what’s wrong with it.

Toyotafanboi

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Whether they’d get away with it or not is irrelevant. It sounds like a massive scam seeing as the dealer is using Covid to lie about the car. God knows what’s wrong with it.

It doesn't sound like any kind of scam, that's a bit of a leap.

Lots of dealers sell online and do home delivery of cars lately, even moreso since reopening after covid.

It's virtually impossible to get a short notice NCT at the moment and most dealers do not test an un-tested car until it is sold.

They've offered to book it into OP's local test centre and cover the cost of the test so they clearly have confidence in the car.

Yes, by the letter of the law you cannot drive a car in public without a valid NCT but given the current circumstance, in my opinion, you would expect a certain degree of common sense to apply.

The only mild unusuality here is that a 2015 car was late getting it's first NCT but we dont even know how late. It could be a late 152 car, traded in in early 2020, may have only been used for a brief period of time with no NCT and has sat on a forecourt since.

Lets not frighten OP here.

johnli10628

Hi guys, if it was imported from uk would explain everything?

User1998

Yes actually that would explain it. Don’t mind all the scaremongering. There’s nothing the dealer can do the NCT is genuinely booked out for the next month and I can guarantee there are several cars being sold at the minute on the basis that they will be NCT’d once an appointment is available. Posters telling you to get your head examined and that the dealer can’t be trusted.. ignore them

Edit: OP Its a bit worrying that you don’t even know if its an import or not. Did you do a history check prior to purchase?

appledrop

If its an import that's even worse. God know what could be wrong with it.



So you hand over your cash, the car gets nct + has a heap of problems + the dealer is just going to give you your money back are they?


Like f@@k they will. Stay away from it.


Also again legally you are not allowed to drive it.

Atlantic Dawn

If it was UK import first MOT would have been at 3 years, this would have been valid for 1 year and could be swapped for an NCT. I suppose with everything going on with Covid testing the last few months would have been difficult.

L-M

The facts are simple, if it has no NCT are you are stopped by a Garda you can receive 5 penalty points, end of.

If they can not get the car NCTd for you prior to collection just buy one somewhere that can.

It’s grand to say Covid this and that, the only thing that’s chAnged because of Covid is that NCTs we’re extended by 4 months. If the car is an import, it doesn’t have an NCT and you should not accept it/drive it without one.

User1998

appledrop wrote: »

If its an import that's even worse. God know what could be wrong with it.



So you hand over your cash, the car gets nct + has a heap of problems + the dealer is just going to give you your money back are they?


Like f@@k they will. Stay away from it.


Also again legally you are not allowed to drive it.

How is it worse because its an import Since your so hung up on the law, If the dealer says the car comes with an NCT he legally has to provide the car with an NCT no matter what the cost.. In my opinion a garda is not going to hassle you over a recently imported car, that you have just bought, has tax, insurance, and an NCT booking, especially given the current situation

User1998

L-M wrote: »

the only thing that’s chAnged because of Covid is that NCTs we’re extended by 4 months.

In fairness more than that has changed, some centres are booked out for the next 6-8 weeks, the dealer is only human and if it wasn’t for the backlog it would most likely be NCT’d prior to sale

appledrop

The car should have been nct in 2019, Covid has absolutely nothing to do with it.


Also its based on when car registered so if that car was bought in June 2015 then nct is a year late.



Where abouts is this 'reputable dealer' . Dont name them but if anywhere near red cow / naas Rd keeping going + don't look back.

PsychoPete

User1998 wrote: »

In fairness more than that has changed, some centres are booked out for the next 6-8 weeks, the dealer is only human and if it wasn’t for the backlog it would most likely be NCT’d prior to sale

I can normally get a car tested within a few days, I've two cars to test and even with pulling a few favours it's going to be at least 5 weeks

Toyotafanboi

L-M wrote: »

It’s grand to say Covid this and that, the only thing that’s chAnged because of Covid is that NCTs we’re extended by 4 months. If the car is an import, it doesn’t have an NCT and you should not accept it/drive it without one.

That's grand until it's a deal you've done.

Lots have changed with NCT's this year. In January they had to stop lift testing, there was a 2 month backlog of incomplete tests during the busiest time of the year for NCT's, then in mid March they shut down services completely for another two months. Even right now they dont have all centres back fully operational.

They've never been so behind at any point, ever before. They've had to issue temporary test extensions of 4 months to help ease the backlog.

PsychoPete wrote: »

I can normally get a car tested within a few days, I've two cars to test and even with pulling a few favours it's going to be at least 5 weeks

Likewise, a few days or a week tops would be the norm, particularly for a trade booking. I went to book a test on Friday, local centre's nearest slot was 9 weeks out, second closest centre was 7 weeks out.

Del2005

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Agreed, a 15 car should have been tested in 19 and again in 21. It's not unusual though for less than careful owners just not bother doing the first test until the car is well overdue, or at all, particularly if they dont plan on keeping it.

We've had to do a good bit of that lately with cars with expired tests. If the car sells, book and pay for a test in the new owners closest centre. Even with a trade card we are finding we can only get dates 7 or 8 weeks away.

You technically shouldn't be driving without a valid NCT.

That being said, you have proof it's a newly purchased car from a reputable dealer and with your tax and insurance docs in order, given the current Covid NCT situation, coupled with the pre Covid NCT lift situation and the fact that all certs have been extended by 16 weeks, the NCT system is chronically backlogged. A small application of common sense should see you right.

Personally i'd have no issue chancing it, no Gard will be giving you hassle over it, with proof of a booking.

It's not the Garda at the side of the road you have to be worried about. It's if you need to use your insurance and they void anything bar the 3rd party cover, which they will come to get off you through the courts, because your car shouldn't be on the road without an NCT. While not all policies mention NCT they all require the car maintained in a road legal condition and if a vehicle can't legally be on the road due to lack of NCT it's not road legal.

Toyotafanboi

Is a valid NCT the official bookstop of "road legal condition", particularly when they cannot facilitate your request for an inspection within a reasonable time frame?

Would the onus be on you to prove that the car is in road legal condition or on the insurance company to prove that it is not?

Surely if you bought a car from a main dealer or similar as fully serviced and with a warranty, you could reasonably expect it to be fit for the road. Not saying ignorance is a suitable defence if it isnt but in all likleyhood most used cars supplied by main dealers are well serviced and reconditioned before sale.

It's not like they're buying a 1999 Focus with 11 owners from Facebook marketplace from a profile called PaddyXMary Connors and their only defence being the line "sure I only just bought it, Garda".

Del2005

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is a valid NCT the official bookstop of "road legal condition", particularly when they cannot facilitate your request for an inspection within a reasonable time frame?

Would the onus be on you to prove that the car is in road legal condition or on the insurance company to prove that it is not?

Surely if you bought a car from a main dealer or similar as fully serviced and with a warranty, you could reasonably expect it to be fit for the road. Not saying ignorance is a suitable defence if it isnt but in all likleyhood most used cars supplied by main dealers are well serviced and reconditioned before sale.

It's not like they're buying a 1999 Focus with 11 owners from Facebook marketplace from a profile called PaddyXMary Connors and their only defence being the line "sure I only just bought it, Garda".

No even the NCT says it doesn't guarantee the vehicle is road worthy, but without a valid NCT it definitely can't be.

If the NCT had expired during the shutdown then they would have pushed the date, but this car was expired before they cancelled lifts and then the NCT. If the dealer thinks that the car is so good why don't they NCT when due and not have customers driving illegally.

Donkeygonads

As a car sales professional with over 20 years experience in reputable dealers, I agree with the points made by Toyotafanboi.Too much scaremongering on this. Once the OP has proof of purchase, proof of NCT booking , then there is nothing to see here. A 2015 car with lets say average mileage, after being serviced and prepped by a reputable dealer and due its first NCT even though the previous owner didn't bother their arse doing it for a year, should pass an NCT with no problems. The dealer has done everything to facilitate the customer. OP , enjoy your new car .

L-M

You can say all you like about scare mongoring, I’m in the trade myself, I would not leave a car out without an NCT unless it was one that was extended by 4 months.

The facts are if it doesn’t have a Valid NCT and the OP meets the wrong cop, they will be in trouble. End of.

colm_mcm

If it has an MOT (cert) cant the garage get an NCT based on that?

Was the car brought in from the uk recently or did it have an owner in Ireland already before you bought it?

Atlantic Dawn

colm_mcm wrote: »

If it has an MOT (cert) cant the garage get an NCT based on that?

Yes applies until January when UK have properly left EU...

https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/Your-Vehicle-/The-NCT--Recognition-Certs/


Application form here...
https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/NCT/New%202018/Application%20form%20for%20the%20Recognition%20of%20an%20EU%20Out-of-State%20Certificate%20of%20Roadworthiness%20for%20a%20Passenger%20Vehicle%20(PDF).pdf

cossie2

the car was taken in during covid, with the nct lapsed since sept 19. i contacted insurance who said they will cover me, but the gardai told me, it not legal as i wasnt the owner of the vehicle when covid began








quote="Toyotafanboi;114004181"]Agreed, a 15 car should have been tested in 19 and again in 21. It's not unusual though for less than careful owners just not bother doing the first test until the car is well overdue, or at all, particularly if they dont plan on keeping it.

We've had to do a good bit of that lately with cars with expired tests. If the car sells, book and pay for a test in the new owners closest centre. Even with a trade card we are finding we can only get dates 7 or 8 weeks away.

You technically shouldn't be driving without a valid NCT.

That being said, you have proof it's a newly purchased car from a reputable dealer and with your tax and insurance docs in order, given the current Covid NCT situation, coupled with the pre Covid NCT lift situation and the fact that all certs have been extended by 16 weeks, the NCT system is chronically backlogged. A small application of common sense should see you right.

Personally i'd have no issue chancing it, no Gard will be giving you hassle over it, with proof of a booking.[/quote]