Lack of black presenters on Irish Television

leoXX

Former justice Minister Alan Shatter has given his support to a campaign to get more black presenters on Irish television. I think the reason there are so few black presenters on RTE is obvious, one needs to be related to someone who already works there to get a job there. It's crazy the amount of RTE staff who are related to each other. Gerry Ryan's Daughter, Son and Brother work there for example. https://mobile.twitter.com/Alan__Shatter/status/1279655688587927552

Snow Garden

Because cocaine is always white.

robinbird

Not only black presenters are lacking. Why are there not more paraplegic transgender asian traveller presenters on RTEs current affairs shows. Blatant unacceptable discrimination.

Sam Quentin

Ahhhh jayyyyysizzz Creeeeeest here we go.

Luxxis

robinbird wrote: »

Not only black presenters are lacking. Why are there not more paraplegic transgender asian traveller presenters on RTEs current affairs shows. Blatant unacceptable discrimination.

You forgot Jews, bloody racist

Luxxis

Luxxis wrote: »

You forgot Jews, bloody racist

Sammy Davis Jr is spinning.

Gatling

No lesbian Muslims from the planet Mars either



Three titted ladies ftw

Geuze

I wonder is there a campaign in the Congo to have more Celts presenting on TV there?

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

Because cocaine is always white.

I want black cocaine. Maybe it can just identify as such

Gammyeye

In fairness, Marty Morrissey usually has a nice tan around the end of the summer.

Eric Cartman

SouthWesterly wrote: »

I want black cocaine. Maybe it can just identify as such

its called crack...

ill get my coat..

Calhoun

Nothing wrong with branching out a bit from the usual suspect/families. As pointed out above id say the biggest barrier to entry is the closed shop that is RTE.

If they are looking for diversity though they could also branch out to the other immigrants of recent years like the Polish or even Chinese.

Water John

Luxxis wrote: »

You forgot Jews, bloody racist

Amy Huberman was on last night.

Luxxis

Water John wrote: »

Amy Huberman was on last night.

White female though. Not good enough according to my diversity handbook.

Seamai

While I wouldn't mind some new faces at RTÉ, I'd rather they were picked for their talent rather than a virtue signalling exercise.

GarIT

Seamai wrote: »

While I wouldn't mind some new faces at RTÉ, I'd rather they were picked for their talent rather than a virtue signalling exercise.

I'd rather they were picked for being willing to work for a maximum of 60k per year and if they can get more elsewhere good for them.


RTE presenters should be on the AO or AP civil service payscales.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

I wonder is there a campaign in the Congo to have more Celts presenting on TV there?

Gavin Lambe Murphy is massive in Kinshasa.

Once you go blik and all that

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

I'd rather they were picked for being willing to work for a maximum of 60k per year and if they can get more elsewhere good for them.


RTE presenters should be on the AO or AP civil service payscales.

but dahling - haven't you heard that there are several imaginary media outlets queuing up to pay more for their services.

Sky King

Seamai wrote: »

While I wouldn't mind some new faces at RTÉ, I'd rather they were picked for their talent rather than a virtue signalling exercise.

... or who they are related to...

Mysterypunter

I think we should be more concerned about the lack of television on Irish television, no variety at all, same heads different day, here's Daniel O'Donnell and the wife on the late late show, here's Ryan Tubridy with the late late show, here's Saoirse Ronan he late late show, tonight on the late late show its Ryan Tubridy, Nathan Carter Daniel O'Donnell and someone talking about depression, if it was wound up who would miss it?

jaxxx

I'm more concerned about the lack of brain cells in people these days to be perfectly honest.

GarIT

Mysterypunter wrote: »

I think we should be more concerned about the lack of television on Irish television, no variety at all, same heads different day, here's Daniel O'Donnell and the wife on the late late show, here's Ryan Tubridy with the late late show, here's Saoirse Ronan he late late show, tonight on the late late show its Ryan Tubridy, Nathan Carter Daniel O'Donnell and someone talking about depression, if it was wound up who would miss it?

You forgot about a traveller that got a job. They have to interview every traveller that got a degree or got a job on the late late.

James Brown

Shatter must be bored.
As the OP states they need open up RTE to the public before we can talk about racial issues. You need be related to someone in there.

suicide_circus

black people make up 1.4% of the population.

asian people make up 2.1% of the population.

leoXX

Geuze wrote: »

I wonder is there a campaign in the Congo to have more Celts presenting on TV there?

How many Celts graduate media courses in the Congo ?

ChikiChiki

Population of this country is overwhelmingly white. That means the number of candidates that apply for any given role in RTE will be overwhelmingly white.

I don't see an issue.

Atlantic Dawn

suicide_circus wrote: »

black people make up 1.4% of the population.

asian people make up 2.1% of the population.

Stop talking sense, it might offend some people :pac:

Mysterypunter

GarIT wrote: »

You forgot about a traveller that got a job. They have to interview every traveller that got a degree or got a job on the late late.

All 2 of them, John Connors and the girl that got the degree in traveller culture? We could play late late show bingo, the same 20 or 30 heads recycled

James Brown

They already had a few token presenters about 20 years ago.its the nepotism needs wiping out then people might have a shot wherever their ethnicity.

GarIT

suicide_circus wrote: »

black people make up 1.4% of the population.

asian people make up 2.1% of the population.

So you're saying if we get a presenter that is 10% black, and a presenter that is 20% asian were covered? Does it still count if they are the same person?

jaxxx

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Stop talking sense, it might offend some people :pac:

Jobs should be offered on ability to do the job in question not sex/race/etc!


Oh sh*t, I might've offended some poor left/right wing b*stard. Pardon me while I search the drain pipes to see if I can find a sh*t to give!

Harry Palmr

It's very Irish the Irish media. You'd never guess 12-14% of the population wasn't Irish and/or white.

Strumms

Seamai wrote: »

While I wouldn't mind some new faces at RTÉ, I'd rather they were picked for their talent rather than a virtue signalling exercise.

Every person in a company hiring for a position should by law only have the option of hiring the best and most suitable candidate. Based on..talent, ability, experience and personality, obviously academic qualifications too come into it. Nothing else about them needs to be entered into consideration.

If I’m hiring, I don’t care if you were born in Finglas, Farranfore, Navan or Nairobi. I just want the best most suitable candidate.

If I’ve hired two Irish people for two out of three positions, I’ve two more people to interview, one of African ethnicity, the other from Donegal say... similar qualities in the content of the CVs, but person B has more experience, does a better interview , has clearly researched the role and the company and seems a better overall fit for the position.. do I have to turn them down ? Simply because there is a candidate of different ethnicity that is applying ? If so then that’s discrimination in my mind.. you are offering a person an interview, an opportunity but knowingly they will never have a chance...
.you as a hiring manager need to hire with in mind...

1. Existing colleagues
2. Existing and future customers

To hire the best and most deserving staff into the positions.

Seems now, there is a movement out there seeking to destroy the idea and ideals of fairness in order to ensure the possibility of ‘quotas’ that enables discrimination against the most able and deserving candidates... regardless of color, ethnicity or otherwise.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

I live in China and I complain that there aren't enough roundy-eyed crackers like myself on TV. I need representation because I'm insecure. I only see people by their group identity and not as individuals. How on Earth do you expect me to identify with Chinese people? I need white people to tell me what to think and do because I have no original thoughts or lack any critical thinking skills.

So, I'm a loud vocal minorty in China and I complain and call the Chinese racist for not having more people like me on TV in their country. All TV should appeal to everyone based on arbitrary group identity traits like skin colour. Because it's not like character or intellect is what matters. Diversity of thought, isn't as important as diversity of skin colour.

GarIT

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's very Irish the Irish media. You'd never guess 12-14% of the population wasn't Irish and/or white.

88% white Irish Audience watches mostly white Irish Presenters on Irish TV, shocking.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

Strumms wrote: »

Every person in a company hiring for a position should by law only have the option of hiring the best and most suitable candidate. Based on..talent, ability, experience and personality, obviously academic qualifications too come into it. Nothing else about them needs to be entered into consideration.

If I’m hiring, I don’t care if you were born in Finglas, Farranfore, Navan or Nairobi. I just want the best most suitable candidate.

If I’ve hired two Irish people for two out of three positions, I’ve two more people to interview, one of African ethnicity, the other from Donegal say... similar qualities in the content of the CVs, but person B has more experience, does a better interview , has clearly researched the role and the company and seems a better overall fit for the position.. do I have to turn them down ? Simply because there is a candidate of different ethnicity that is applying ? If so then that’s discrimination in my mind.. you are offering a person an interview, an opportunity but knowingly they will never have a chance... loyalty..
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1. Existing colleagues
2. Existing and future customers

To hire the best and most deserving staff into the positions.

Seems now, there is a movement out there seeking to destroy the idea and ideals of fairness in order to ensure the possibility of ‘quotas’ that enables discrimination against the most able and deserving candidates... regardless of color, ethnicity or otherwise.

No, go away! Hiring people based on a meritocracy is racist. You have fill gender and race quotas! Because as I said, diversity of thought doesn't matter. What matters is the colour of your skin.

Kaybaykwah

There's no Oirish presenters on my telly when it goes black either, so there.

flanna01

''Lack of black presenters on Irish Television''

What a load of codswallop....!! Who really cares about skin colour (bar the knuckle heads that are lagging behind in the evolution process)..

When did white skin get deemed the superior colour, and by who, and under what criteria...??

Thank God I work in a diverse industry, and meet many different races and creeds. I have great craic with the black guys, they have great wit and banter. If I believed everything I seen on telly, I would assume the Russians are cold and devoid of any fun - The total opposite is true, they are mad for the craic, love the banter...

I don't discriminate between black and white. A mans colour is down to his climate, and the body is wired accordingly. (before mass emigration obviously)

But just to point out a few blatant facts: The blacks are great singers, great cooks and great athletes... Just saying!

Strazdas

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's very Irish the Irish media. You'd never guess 12-14% of the population wasn't Irish and/or white.

It's definitely noticeable and even some of those in the media are not comfortable with it : I've heard Ray D'Arcy and VM News' Richard Chambers talking about it recently.

Harry Palmr

GarIT wrote: »

88% white Irish Audience watches mostly white Irish Presenters on Irish TV, shocking.

It's just not representative of the population which is no longer homogeneous

James Brown

Strumms wrote: »

Every person in a company hiring for a position should by law only have the option of hiring the best and most suitable candidate. Based on..talent, ability, experience and personality, obviously academic qualifications too come into it. Nothing else about them needs to be entered into consideration.

If I’m hiring, I don’t care if you were born in Finglas, Farranfore, Navan or Nairobi. I just want the best most suitable candidate.

If I’ve hired two Irish people for two out of three positions, I’ve two more people to interview, one of African ethnicity, the other from Donegal say... similar qualities in the content of the CVs, but person B has more experience, does a better interview , has clearly researched the role and the company and seems a better overall fit for the position.. do I have to turn them down ? Simply because there is a candidate of different ethnicity that is applying ? If so then that’s discrimination in my mind.. you are offering a person an interview, an opportunity but knowingly they will never have a chance...
.you as a hiring manager need to hire with in mind...

1. Existing colleagues
2. Existing and future customers

To hire the best and most deserving staff into the positions.

Seems now, there is a movement out there seeking to destroy the idea and ideals of fairness in order to ensure the possibility of ‘quotas’ that enables discrimination against the most able and deserving candidates... regardless of color, ethnicity or otherwise.

RTE does not work like that. Its who you know. Who you are related to.

GarIT

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's just not representative of the population which is no longer homogeneous

I'd argue 88% is largely homogenenous, especially when you consider the presenters we have have been working to get the job or in the job for anywhere from 20-60 years. We would need to look at the race breakdown of the population 50 years ago to get an acurate indication of how the presenters should be now. And being born here and going to school here is an important part of learning the native lingo and culture which is a big advantage when trying to get onto tv.


And there's no less chance of a black person getting on there as their is me getting on RTE as neither of us have family in there.

Strazdas

GarIT wrote: »

88% white Irish Audience watches mostly white Irish Presenters on Irish TV, shocking.

What makes you think the 88% white Irish audience wouldn't want to watch black presenters on Irish TV? And if that is the case, why not hire them?

punisher5112

Will Eskimos ever get a look in..... Shocking really is... ELM

jaxxx

Strazdas wrote: »

What makes you think the 88% white Irish audience wouldn't want to watch black presenters on Irish TV? And if that is the case, why not hire them?

Oh sweet jesus. Well that just went right over your head didn't it :rolleyes:

GarIT

Strazdas wrote: »

What makes you think the 88% white Irish audience wouldn't want to watch black presenters on Irish TV? And if that is the case, why not hire them?

I didn't say they don't want to. Just that it's not a shock that there aren't many.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's just not representative of the population which is no longer homogeneous

Yeah but your talking about a relatively new Irish population. Lets take families of African origins. Think of the percentage they make up. Someone said around 2%. Then you think their parents are going to afford immediately or by choice want to support and send their kids to study media production. Then, of those that study media production, actually make it to be on TV.

It's incredible. The amount of people that study media production that don't end up working in the industry is huge. Then, the amount that want to specifically be presenters which makes up about 1% of the production jobs: electricians, editors, lighting technicians, camera operators, sound, producing, directing, researching, continuity, assistant directing, hair and makeup, costume design, set design etc etc.

So of that 2% population. Then the percentage that study media production. Then the percentage that go on to work for one company RTE and not say, all the other media companies that mostly do media. And there are huge amount of them. Then of that percentage that actually make it and want to get in to presenting??!! Come one.. lol

GarIT

Gods Gift wrote: »

FCUK YOU DEPUTY SHATTER.
FCUK YOU.

Unparlementary language deputy Stag.

cannotlogin

90.4% of people in Ireland are white. Therefore it's not usual to expect that the vast majority of any other section of the country, be it presenters, civil service, guards, shopkeepers etc are white. It's not discrimination, it's the logical output given the input.

Similarly, there's a lot of talk about the fact that only 4 out of 15 new TDs are female. How can this be surprising or discriminatory given that in the last election there was a requirement for 30% of the candidates to be female? The outcome again looks to represent the amount eligible for the role.

Racism or discrimination is horrible & has no place in society but not everything is racist or marginalised exclusion. It is simply an outcome based on circumstances.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

I’ll tell you this: I saw a video on YouTube about someone visiting Uganda. They went to a bar where it was a sort of stand-up/variety hour it was brilliant, all sorts of madness.

Fly those folks in and let them have a go. I’d rather see that than the same cunce week in year out from RTE.

jaxxx

GarIT wrote: »

I didn't say they don't want to. Just that it's not a shock that there aren't many.

YOU CLEARLY IMPLIED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO!


I mean.. .. .. well you actually didn't. Like, anyone with basic reading skills could tell that you didn't imply anything there but.. .. .. like.. .. ..


*scratch head


2+2 still equals 4 right.. .. ..? I don't even recognise this world anymore.