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Renault Zoe; battery owned vs battery leased

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    95,026 km (thats quite high isnt it especially for a BEV

    No, that is average or low milage. What does especially for a BEV mean? Do you think BEV drivers drive less?
    Milage is less important for electric as less parts to go wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    JPA wrote: »
    No, that is average or low milage. What does especially for a BEV mean? Do you think BEV drivers drive less?
    Milage is less important for electric as less parts to go wrong.

    no, i just meant that a lot of BEV's I have seen in the past have been extremely low mileage especially around the 2013/14 age and just put it down to that people normally do short journeys in an EV or have it as a second car in the household alongside the ICE car. Ice car for long journeys and EV for short runs around towns/city - thats how I have always thought they had low mileage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Kearys in Cork seem a great dealer at the moment in my estimates they seem really good - they say 2years warranty on renault selection cars as standard and they pay the first 12 months of the battery lease. they really sound like a good dealer. Anyone else on here used them or know of them? - the one i was looking at (2014) has (well I think) high mileage @ 95,026 km (thats quite high isnt it especially for a BEV?) but thats my budget , I suppose if it were much less mileage it would be another grand or more on top - and 2014 is getting on a bit in years , but again budget and this will be my first venture into owning an electric vehicle - at least there will be no issues with timing belt not being changed or worn exhaust lol :)

    €9k for a battery leased 2014 seems crazy money to me. That's why they can afford to give you back €700+ in battery rental for 1 year. But maybe the 2 year warranty is worth it, i'm not sure.
    My sister paid a lot less than that 2.5 years ago for a 2015 with less mileage. That was in the UK and a quick nose seems that prices really haven't dropped.

    Very little depreciation in 2+ years Unkel would seem to suggest the demand is still there and no issues with selling on, lease or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Another quick search and came across this, If it is actually battery owned then is a much better deal than Kearys https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006250500203?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    stesaurus wrote: »
    €9k for a battery leased 2014 seems crazy money to me. That's why they can afford to give you back €700+ in battery rental for 1 year. But maybe the 2 year warranty is worth it, i'm not sure.
    My sister paid a lot less than that 2.5 years ago for a 2015 with less mileage. That was in the UK and a quick nose seems that prices really haven't dropped.

    no, the 2015 from Kearys is 8,700eur

    Very little depreciation in 2+ years Unkel would seem to suggest the demand is still there and no issues with selling on, lease or not.
    stesaurus wrote: »
    Another quick search and came across this, If it is actually battery owned then is a much better deal than Kearys https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006250500203?

    a little bit worried about buying from UK - about just over a year ago I was looking at a 2013 Zoe from Charles hurst up in Belfast at a price of £5,000 uk pound and a mileage of 32miles and one owner - seemed great value for money .. but then nervousness kiked in about how i would go on driving it back, then how would I go about VRT (and then found out that no VRT would have to be changed but I wouldnd be au fais re knowing how to go about changing for Irish plates and then what would the insurance be if they knew it was originally UK reg and all things like that - then the wife started saying that she would be getting range anxiety .. so in the end she bought a clio 4 petrol instead.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    If you are unsure of purchasing through the UK talk to the Irish EV dealers, they will source cars for you. They also have access to trade networks, it's the reason so many used Leaf's have been imported here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Yay - i finally put a deposit down on a 2013 Renault zoe today , after all this time - of course it had to be a battery rental one . Hoping i just get by with the 60eur a month battery rental I will only be going short journeys . felt great taking it out for a test drive today. its 2013 but the feel of it feels much more modern than that. - just got to wait for it to be serviced , should be ready next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I hope you got it for very little money.

    Best of luck with it.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Well wear, hope it all works out for you!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    thanks - i'm excited , new venture for me . So quiet and smooth and surprisingly nippy! (well with eco off, I never tried it with eco on) I suppose going price for it taking into account battery rental .

    steering felt heavier than the wifes clio , in fact the whole car felt heavier on the test drive but could that be the wight of the batteries. This is first time i took a zoe for a test drive so I dont really know how they are supposed to sit on the road.

    Going to be air con re-gassed and serviced, and ready next week

    60k km - UK import


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,316 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Well wear! Hope you got it really, really cheaply and that you plan to keep it until it dies.

    I will be in the market for a cheap EV within a year and I would prefer the looks and the size of a Zoe, even though it can't fast charge and has very basic spec. But it is hard to beat a car like the 2012 Nissan Leaf top spec that just sold for less than €3.7k. No battery rental, can fast charge at 45kW and pretty much no depreciation. Total cost of ownership per month about the same as just the battery rental on a Zoe. And if it dies, just scrap it after removing the battery modules and selling them for easily €2.5k

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    unkel wrote: »
    Well wear! Hope you got it really, really cheaply and that you plan to keep it until it dies.

    I will be in the market for a cheap EV within a year and I would prefer the looks and the size of a Zoe, even though it can't fast charge and has very basic spec. But it is hard to beat a car like the 2012 Nissan Leaf top spec that just sold for less than €3.7k. No battery rental, can fast charge at 45kW and pretty much no depreciation. Total cost of ownership per month about the same as just the battery rental on a Zoe. And if it dies, just scrap it after removing the battery modules and selling them for easily €2.5k

    yep - if you know what your doing like you do that most probably best bet.
    got to be honest, never have liked the shape of the early LEAF especially that big arse - horrible!

    The wife has a 2016 clio and i enjoyed driving that and its gadetry (cruise control and other gadgets ) that the zoe was so familiar to me , driving the zoe on a test drive today was like driving her car but without no engine noise in it. Plus I have been modding her ECU's since she has had it with renault software that can enable and disable things through the OBD port and I can use the same software on the Zoe too I think when I get it

    yeah when I take over battery rental it will be 60eur p/m which is a pain - so 60eur P/M + €30 hp per week - ah well sure on the bright side no petrol to pay for and cheaper vehicle tax :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 FaIIcon


    I don't see how you need any of the "benefits" of the battery rental, the guarantee on the battery degradation? I mean it's been shown that aside from early Leaf generations the degradation is minimal.

    Also you are hardly gonna use more than the breakdown assist on your comp insurance. Surely it's better to buy the battery outright for peace of mind, if you keep the car long enough its worth more than the rental as you will have a better value car to sell on too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    FaIIcon wrote: »
    I don't see how you need any of the "benefits" of the battery rental, the guarantee on the battery degradation? I mean it's been shown that aside from early Leaf generations the degradation is minimal.

    Also you are hardly gonna use more than the breakdown assist on your comp insurance. Surely it's better to buy the battery outright for peace of mind, if you keep the car long enough its worth more than the rental as you will have a better value car to sell on too.

    oh yeah , it was my initial budget though as well I had to take into account. when seraching on done deal there was only one Zoe battery owned near my budget I could get from CU and that was from a private seller around 8grand ... the other B/O renaults were going for much more 11grand, 15grand - out of my budget. of course in an ideal world I would have gone down the B/O way if I could have afforded it.

    Is it true with the B/O anyway the Zoe has an 8 year warranty on the battery anyways? - but as you say now that Nissan and Renault EV's have been out a while now they have found that the batteries dont degrade as much as when they first thought , thats why renault scrapped the battery rental altogether on new vehicles

    Have I it right because i find it a bit confusing and should brush up on it I suppose - is the minimum you enter into a Zoe battery rental is 3years at €47 plus VAT? (i think thats what the salesman said) ... so if god forbid you crash the car in that 3 years or scrap it for some reason do you still carry on paying the battery rental til the 3 years is up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    when I had a quick look at the battery rental agreement (havent signed it yet) - it said something on the front like 'Non-Consumer' or some words like that ... I just wondered does anyone know what that means?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,316 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You can't stop paying the battery lease at the end of the 3 year contract, unless you hand the car back to Renault (for free). And pay the fine for the battery recycling. Or find someone else willing to pay the monthly lease for the next 3 years (you won't, unless perhaps if you literally give them the car for free or nearly free)

    You haven't signed it yet, that means it's not too late to back out. I would seriously consider that. And either buy a battery owned Zoe, or another EV.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    unkel wrote: »
    You can't stop paying the battery lease at the end of the 3 year contract, unless you hand the car back to Renault (for free). And pay the fine for the battery recycling. Or find someone else willing to pay the monthly lease for the next 3 years (you won't, unless perhaps if you literally give them the car for free or nearly free)

    You haven't signed it yet, that means it's not too late to back out. I would seriously consider that. And either buy a battery owned Zoe, or another EV.

    ah right thanks for that - so even the battery rental doesnt even cover the fine for battery recycling either then no?

    and when do you stop paying then? - only if you sell the car on again? , I cannot find any info on that part on the internet - lets say, that they say the life of the Zoe is 8 years or the actual battery guarantee if it was battery owned (which i dont think you can get on a 2013 zoe can you?) from the date of manufacture so on a 2013 zoe that would be 2021 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,969 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Renault seem to be on a good thing with this battery rental thing though arent they? - I have just been working out how much over the years the battery rental amounts up on a battery hired Zoe.

    Taking into account its 2013 Zoe, and it may have cost maybe €20,000 when new and take payments of say €60 per month (this is just a rough guess and my figures could be well out) so I worked it over to just over €5,000 to date that renault have got already in battery hire for the car - and today you could get a battery owned 2019 (or maybe 2020?) Zoe for €26,000


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