Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

Delhi in India’s seroprevalence tests have come back at 23.48%, meaning at least 4.7 million have been infected.

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1640137

Interesting, so that helps to put into perspective why so many young Indians have died of covid . It seems it has simply just passed through such a large percent of a population with hardly any elderly people and killed the few young who were suspectible, because Indias population is so large this is accumulating a pretty larger number of deaths but in reality the level of infection is just enormous

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

I wonder if people are forgetting the long-term side effects reported by many Covid-infected people (up to 50%?). The risk of death looks low, but there's plenty of reports of brain-fog, shortness of breath, kidney, lung, heart damage - and for many it hasn't gone away. We're still not sure if this is a temporary thing or a chronic condition.

I personally am not so worried about death, but would like to be able to walk up a set of stairs without getting out of breath. The miniscule risk from a vaccine seems pretty minor to me.

This seems a good place to post this piece on post-viral fatigue.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-why-are-some-people-experiencing-long-term-fatigue-141405

Gael23

Cases must be too low for their liking https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154513-siptu-covid-healthcare-workers/

hmmm

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Will there be a case that countries have to do deals with multiple 'vaccines' only to have to choose one in the future if one becomes 'the one'? Suppose that works for the companies putting money into the trials now, covers risk.

Governments are signing deals to get access to and start manufacturing promising vaccines now before they know whether they work or not. It's likely that some might not succeed, and potentially it will cost us billions. As well like you say, one might turn out to be so much better than all the others.

It's a small price to pay though. I heard someone estimate that the US economy is losing $10 billion a day, if we can shave 6 months off the time required to get a vaccine by starting work now it's worth risking a few billion.

Non solum non ambulabit

seamus wrote: »

That means that your chances of contracting and dying from covid are 0.035%. Which itself is very low. But if the odds of developing <insert disabling disease here> from the vaccine are 0.003%, then on balance it's a decent payoff. If you do nothing you're ten times more likely to die from covid, than you are to contract <something> if you get the vaccine.

Those odds are signficantly changed too based on your age and health. 93% of deaths in Ireland had underlying conditions. (I am open to correction here but that is what i remember from acting CMO yesterday)

little bess

ZX7R wrote: »

They are working in pods,6 person's of one pod tested positive, the other 14 were close contacts.

I wonder how many firms are using the pod system. My husband is in construction, working in D4, but definitely not using this system. He says the canteen is spotless, there’s Perspex at the tables between each person, and a cleaner there, and the toilets are spotless too.

But no pods and they can’t keep 2m rule a lot of the time. He’s wearing a mask most of the time but others aren’t. They had a health and safety talk about it yesterday, encouraging the lads to wear masks.

Non solum non ambulabit

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I agree with all of that mostly.

I’m technically 10 times more likely to die from COVID than getting anything from a vaccine yes. But if you factor in me being 27 and healthy I’d imagine that chance goes way down. I’m not saying I won’t take the vaccine but I’m going to be far from the front of the queue.

You also have to remember that you taking the vaccine protects others too not just yourself. If you are vaccinated you won't pass it on. That is the main reason we all need to vaccinated.

robfowler78

is_that_so wrote: »

This seems a good place to post this piece on post-viral fatigue.

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-why-are-some-people-experiencing-long-term-fatigue-141405

I find this confusing so if 14millon people have covid does that mean at least 50% so 7 million will have longterm problems.

I always thought it was 50% of the serious cases not the total infected. And how can we judge long term after a couple of months.

timmy_mallet

hmmm wrote: »

I wonder if people are forgetting the long-term side effects reported by many Covid-infected people (up to 50%?). The risk of death looks low, but there's plenty of reports of brain-fog, shortness of breath, kidney, lung, heart damage - and for many it hasn't gone away. We're still not sure if this is a temporary thing or a chronic condition.

I personally am not so worried about death, but would like to be able to walk up a set of stairs without getting out of breath. The miniscule risk from a vaccine seems pretty minor to me.

Minuscule risk from what vaccine? And a phase 1 trial cant even prove efficacy, let alone safety.

timmy_mallet

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You also have to remember that you taking the vaccine protects others too not just yourself. If you are vaccinated you won't pass it on. That is the main reason we all need to vaccinated.

No proof of this.

redmgar

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Gael23 wrote: »

Cases must be too low for their liking https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154513-siptu-covid-healthcare-workers/

Why would "they" want high numbers?

US2

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Those odds are signficantly changed too based on your age and health. 93% of deaths in Ireland had underlying conditions. (I am open to correction here but that is what i remember from acting CMO yesterday)

Yeah its 94% with underlying conditions, and the median age of covid deaths is older than average life expectancy in Ireland

is_that_so

robfowler78 wrote: »

I find this confusing so if 14millon people have covid does that mean at least 50% so 7 million will have longterm problems.

I always thought it was 50% of the serious cases not the total infected. And how can we judge long term after a couple of months.

I think severe to critical cases are about 10-15% or so and that's what I understand they are looking at. I completely agree on long-term. We don't and can't know yet. Research on it says "could" or "might" but that has now become "does" or "will" in some quarters.

eagle eye

podgeandrodge wrote:

It's simply too convenient that when the Govt made the choice to push masks that supermarkets are now a problem!

Well there's a number of things here. Firstly we might have been lied to about figures from supermarkets or more likely all the crooks in government have bought shares in the companies that will be supplying masks to Ireland.

is_that_so

timmy_mallet wrote: »

No proof of this.

If a vaccine stops you getting it, how can you pass on something you don't have?

wadacrack

Very interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_wSU1JnTE

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

Very interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_wSU1JnTE

The doctor who isn't a doctor!

dundalkfc10

Disgraceful scenes in Walkinstown.

This is why the Irish people can't be trusted

is_that_so

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Disgraceful scenes in Walkinstown.

This is why the Irish people can't be trusted

What are you doing in Walkinstown and what's going on there?
EDIT: Now I see, just leave them do it. He meant a lot to all of us!

MerlinSouthDub

is_that_so wrote: »

If a vaccine stops you getting it, how can you pass on something you don't have?

It it possible that the vaccines might dampen the effects of the virus, but not stop you getting it.

dundalkfc10

is_that_so wrote: »

What are you doing in Walkinstown and what's going on there?
EDIT: Now I see, just leave them do it. He meant a lot to all of us!

Ah so because someone meant a hell of a lot to us, your accepting social distancing rules should not be adhered too.

ACitizenErased

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Disgraceful scenes in Walkinstown.

This is why the Irish people can't be trusted

Would ya stop ffs they’re outside, a good few are wearing masks and there’s at least a metre between most

wadacrack

is_that_so wrote: »

The doctor who isn't a doctor!

He clearly states on his about me that he is a retired nurse and a link to his LinkedIn. He has been a great source throughout the pandemic and raised alarm very early

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Would ya stop ffs they’re outside, a good few are wearing masks and there’s at least a metre between most

Where are you guys seeing what’s happening In walkinstown?

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

Where are you guys seeing what’s happening In walkinstown?

Twitter, people out celebrating Jack Charlton.

is_that_so

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ah so because someone meant a hell of a lot to us, your accepting social distancing rules should not be adhered too.

I don't judge people's actions in this type of scenario. I am past caring about rants about SD or anything anyone else might do. There's just me and what I do.

robfowler78

is_that_so wrote: »

I think severe to critical cases are about 10-15% or so and that's what I understand they are looking at. I completely agree on long-term. We don't and can't know yet. Research on it says "could" or "might" but that has now become "does" or "will" in some quarters.

I always thought it was critical and severe also. It hard to get a balanced view on a forum lol

ShineOn7

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Would ya stop ffs they’re outside, a good few are wearing masks and there’s at least a metre between most

Didn't see many masks at all. Only mostly on the oul lads

And we must've been watching a different video if you saw a metre between most! ;-)

NegativeCreep

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You also have to remember that you taking the vaccine protects others too not just yourself. If you are vaccinated you won't pass it on. That is the main reason we all need to vaccinated.

Have to look out for number 1 too though. I will get vaccinated, just not as soon as it’s available. I’ll let others go first.

timmy_mallet

is_that_so wrote: »

If a vaccine stops you getting it, how can you pass on something you don't have?

A virus doesn't die the minute it hits your skin etc.