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Do you think a golfer over 50 will win a major this decade?

  • 25-06-2020 9:18pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    I still get night mares thinking about when Tom Watson nearly won a major at 59! He needed a par at the last to win, his second shot landed on the green but bounded through it and he made bogey

    I think it will happen and Phil Mickelson will do it

    P. S. Julius Boros is the oldest golf major winner, taking the 1968 PGA Championship at 48 years, 4 months, 18 days, beating Arnold Palmer and Bob Charles by a shot at Pecan Valley Golf Club in Texas

    Will a golfer over 50 win a major this decade? 59 votes

    YES
    76% 45 votes
    NO
    23% 14 votes


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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,946 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk


    I still get night mares thinking about when Tom Watson nearly won a major at 59! He needed a par at the last to win, his second shot landed on the green but bounded through it and he made bogey

    I think it will happen and Phil Mickelson will do it
    Why would it give you nightmares?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    gmisk wrote: »
    Why would it give you nightmares?

    Because it would have been the greatest achievement in golfing and possibly sporting history. I would have loved to have witnessed it


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,810 ✭✭✭✭ Mantis Toboggan


    Just can't see it happening. Is Phil 50 this year? He'd have an outside chance but I can't see him winning another pga tour event.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    Just can't see it happening. Is Phil 50 this year? He'd have an outside chance but I can't see him winning another pga tour event.

    He turned 50 last week. He had a good round today and is currently in tied 4th in travellers championship. I believe he has the game to be in contention in majors again, and win


  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭ thegolfer


    I do think it could happen, however would limit the chance to The Open venues, as the links courses lend themselves to all players as opposed to the power players.

    Links golf is a different type of golf to the remaining 3 Major's, more thinking to it and depending on the weather as in Tom Watson's case can work in his favor.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭ finglashoop


    I think one will purely due to sports science and players longevity increasing at a high level


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,810 ✭✭✭✭ Mantis Toboggan


    Is Phil going onto the seniors tour? Reckon he'd clean up there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭ blue note


    I say no. If you look at the last 50 years one guy at 46 and one at 45 won a major. That's very little and another 5 years at that age is a lot.

    Coming close is one thing. Winning is a whole other.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭ redzerdrog


    Yeh in about 6 years if the goat can keep his body right


  • Registered Users Posts: 782 ✭✭✭ thewobbler


    I’m going to assume they can’t keep making Augusta any longer.

    Its length never seemed to faze Freddie Couples in his fifties, and the lads who’ll be 50 in 2029 are a full generation maybe even 1.5 generations behind him (so should, in theory be substantially fitter, stronger, quicker, more coordinated, better eyesight than Couples).

    Between that and the quirks of the Open Championship, i’d expect top-5s from fifty somethings in majors, to become more common.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭✭✭ Fred_


    Who are the candidates that could do it? Tiger, Phil or Westwood. Tiger's health will probably prevent him. The other two could but its unlikely. Any other contenders? Ernie seems to be past it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    Fred_ wrote: »
    Who are the candidates that could do it? Tiger, Phil or Westwood. Tiger's health will probably prevent him. The other two could but its unlikely. Any other contenders? Ernie seems to be past it.

    Jim Furyk just turned 50. He finished 2nd in 2019 players championship. Currently 86th in world rankings

    I reckon Padraig is going to play ten more British opens so he definitely has a chance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭✭✭ Fred_


    Jim Furyk just turned 50. He finished 2nd in 2019 players championship. Currently 86th in world rankings

    I reckon Padraig is going to play ten more British opens so he definitely has a chance

    Harrington hasn't made a cut in a major since 2016. Don't think he has a chance.

    Furyk could finish well but as his ranking drops he will have less opportunities to play. He had no Masters / Open / PGA lifetime exemptions. And then there's his lack of length.


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭ rooney30


    Fred_ wrote: »
    Who are the candidates that could do it? Tiger, Phil or Westwood. Tiger's health will probably prevent him. The other two could but its unlikely. Any other contenders? Ernie seems to be past it.

    If you gave Westie a 10 stroke lead at the start of the week he still wouldn’t win one .
    Tiger is the best bet , The open in benign conditions he will always be in with a good chance


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,522 ✭✭✭✭ GreeBo


    I'd say Phil or Tiger could do it at Augusta @ 50+.
    The Open is a good shout too, especially if you get bad weather.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭ Mysterypunter


    It's amazing that the voting on this is 50:50, it has never been done. Highly unlikely, plus if Furyk didn't win a major before 50 years old, he won't be winning one after 50, obviously Mickelson and Woods are the 2 chances, anyone else, no chance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 BoldReason


    It's amazing that the voting on this is 50:50, it has never been done. Highly unlikely, plus if Furyk didn't win a major before 50 years old, he won't be winning one after 50, obviously Mickelson and Woods are the 2 chances, anyone else, no chance

    Jim Furyk won the US Open.
    I mean I don't think he will win another one but he definitely won a major.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭ Mysterypunter


    BoldReason wrote: »
    Jim Furyk won the US Open.
    I mean I don't think he will win another one but he definitely won a major.

    Jaysis, I missed that:) in the British Open betting preview last year, Steve Palmer called him a veteran plodder, thought that was a ridiculous comment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭ blue note


    It's amazing that the voting on this is 50:50, it has never been done. Highly unlikely, plus if Furyk didn't win a major before 50 years old, he won't be winning one after 50, obviously Mickelson and Woods are the 2 chances, anyone else, no chance

    I agree. It's possible for sure. But the older people get the less likely it becomes. And as I said earlier, in the last 50 years one 46 year old has won and one person aged 45. No-one 47,48,49, etc. Things change like sports science, equipment, etc and perhaps that makes it more likely. That said, if the game continues to become more athletic it's possible that these things will favour the younger golfers.

    But if I was going to bet on someone winning a major in their 50s, I'd want fairly decent odds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭ badabing106


    It's amazing that the voting on this is 50:50, it has never been done. Highly unlikely, plus if Furyk didn't win a major before 50 years old, he won't be winning one after 50, obviously Mickelson and Woods are the 2 chances, anyone else, no chance

    No chance? Did Tom Watson have no chance to win a major at 59?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭ Deeper Blue


    It's mad that two 50+ year olds in Norman and Watson led the Open going into the final round in consecutive years. People tend to forget that Norman had a two shot lead entering the final round when Harrington won at birkdale.

    My point is we haven't really seen a 50 year old compete since so either we're due another one or the length has gotten such that it won't happen again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭ Whiplash85


    Tiger or Phil for me are most likely. I think there is a fair chance it could happen.
    Mickelson was playing with the 2 longest hitters in the world yesterday and was in the frame with their tee shots. That is some accomplishment in itself given the way they hit the ball. I think it is more likely with a less hectic schedule and not one like Sunjae Im. I think Tiger is adopting a less is more approach and has 18 in his head. Bernhard Langer is 62 and did very well last week finishing ahead of Schauffele, Spieth, Woodland amongst others. Golf courses cant be lengthened anymore and I hope it devolves a bit and becomes more about accuracy than swing speed.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,506 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Benicetomonty


    Harrington is done. Furyk might have a shot at an Open venue a la Watson but, as was pointed out, he has chances are running out as his ranking goes south. He"s gone too short for Augusta and majority of USPGA venues and only his exemption for winning the 03 US Open has long since expired. He may have half a shot at the likes of a Winged Foot or the Olympic Club (where he dumped in 2012), but hel have to qualify first.

    Norman and Watson were anomalies; the former was the world number 1, unbelievably talented, as fit as a butcher's hound and was never a man to get intimidated by tournament golf 3 days a week. Just Sunday's he struggled with.
    Watson may not have been quite as fit but ticks all the other boxes and won 5 Opens, as well as blowing at least 1 other one. Weather was dodgy in 2009 at Turnberry and at was horrendous at 08 in Birkdale, so a lot of good players who got the worst side of the draw were gone by Fri eve, leaving only a handful of players left who thought they could actually win.

    Could that all happen again? Of course. And I agree that fitness trends over the last 30 years will probably make players in their 50s more of a threat in the majors going forward. But theres a reason it hasnt been done yet. It would be a remarkable achievement and it would be against all the odds.
    Id give Mickelson half a chance. Cant see Westwood doing it, even if Id love to see him winning a major. If Langer had been exempt for every Open in the last 10 years, Id say hed have had at least 1 good run at winning one.
    Tiger? Who knows? But he strikes me as the kind of guy who likes to break records and the oldest major winner would be a nice one to cap things off. That's assuming he can still walk by the time he hits 50.

    Such a big ask though. Look at guys like Singh who dominated golf in his 40s but once he hit his 50s, he never sniffed contention in a major (not yet anyway). Els got the yips 4 or 5 years ago so he has no hope. Who else are we looking at?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Yes, Tiger at Augusta


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭ Mysterypunter


    No chance? Did Tom Watson have no chance to win a major at 59?
    Tom Watson was an all time great, even at 57 or 58 years old he shot a mad round in Australia, in a gale force wind whick was about 5 shots better than the nearest competitor, I don't think 50 year old Sergio Garcia with one major win in 90 goes will be winning one, or 50 year old Rickie Fowler, and the Steroids will have worn off for Rahm, Koepka and Dechambeau by then. I'll look up the Tom Watson round and get back to you, Stewart Cink said that he wasn't even shouting for himself in the open playoff:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭ Mysterypunter


    Tom Watson was an all time great, even at 57 or 58 years old he shot a mad round in Australia, in a gale force wind whick was about 5 shots better than the nearest competitor, I don't think 50 year old Sergio Garcia with one major win in 90 goes will be winning one, or 50 year old Rickie Fowler, and the Steroids will have worn off for Rahm, Koepka and Dechambeau by then. I'll look up the Tom Watson round and get back to you, Stewart Cink said that he wasn't even shouting for himself in the open playoff:)

    Just looked up that Tom Watson round, he was 63 years old, and in the final round of the Australian open in 2012, he shot - 3. He finished tied 28th in the tournament. It was the best round of the day, but only by 2. The tournament was won by Peter Senior, who was 52 years old himself at the time. In the previous Post, I didn't prematurely age Rickie Fowler, I know the chap is only 30.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭ RoadRunner


    If the ball is "rolled back" then it will likely become more likely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭✭✭ Fred_


    RoadRunner wrote: »
    If the ball is "rolled back" then it will likely become more likely

    How will that help the older guys?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,522 ✭✭✭✭ GreeBo


    Fred_ wrote: »
    How will that help the older guys?

    Well if you can only hit it 200 compared to others on 350, if the ball gets rolled back 10% you only lose 20 while the others lose 35, the gap is smaller and so is their advantage. (you lost 2 clubs why they lost almost 4)

    Obviously Phil breaks all these rules with his crazy old man distance.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭✭✭ Fred_


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Well if you can only hit it 200 compared to others on 350, if the ball gets rolled back 10% you only lose 20 while the others lose 35, the gap is smaller and so is their advantage. (you lost 2 clubs why they lost almost 4)

    Obviously Phil breaks all these rules with his crazy old man distance.

    If there's talk of the ball spinning more I don't see how that will help a bad driver like Phil.

    Might help a Kuchar or a Furyk.


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