Europol: Ireland hit by surge of ‘right-wing extremism’

BarnardsLoop

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/europol-ireland-hit-by-surge-of-right-wing-extremism-1007037.html

Ireland is among a number of European countries caught up in a worldwide “wave” of right-wing extremism, the EU police agency has said.

Europol said there is a “strong international network” involving right-wing extremists from Ireland, other European countries and the US. It said here in Ireland the extremists are raising money through online donations including of cryptocurrencies (digital currencies).

In its 2020 terrorism report, the agency said incidents in Ireland in 2019 involving “anti-immigrant ideology” included arson attacks on planned direct provision centres and vehicles.

Maybe we could avoid ten pages of "yeah but these days you get called far-right just for saying Jews are plotting to destroy the West and immigrants are invading our pure white lands" and talk about the serious issue this raises?

At the very least, I'd love to hear the arguments as to why bloody Europol is wrong about this or how they might have some kind of "leftist agenda".

Rodney Bathgate

Nice to see you have an open mind on this, OP. Very refreshing.

You give them too much credit by suggesting there is a political agenda behind it. Sometimes a thug is just a thug.

Btw, you can have anti immigration opinions without being a terrorist or a nazi.

Silentcorner

I'd be more inclined to believe them if they included as a threat the groups rioting and pulling down statues and engaging in protests supporting an anarchist left wing group.

suicide_circus

not saying theyre wrong but have they made any similar comment on the recent wave of left wing violence?

ShamNNspace

Is that the same Europol who found a position for Noirin O'Sullivan, the one who "mislaid" her phones and laptop and who even with the help of her detective inspector husband couldn't manage to locate any of them and then off she heads to Europol to solve crime leaving a trail of destruction after her, not a bother on her the scoundrel

BarnardsLoop

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Nice to see you have an open mind on this, OP. Very refreshing.

Is there some sort of point you're trying to make here?

ThunbergsAreGo

What do they mean by right wing? What makes these right wing as opposed to (possibly) anti immigrant?

beachhead

There are no monitoring organsations in Europe or indeed the planet without an agenda.Europol is just one.You must do what your paymasters tell you.

BarnardsLoop

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Is there some sort of point you're trying to make here?

Could ask you the same OP. What exactly do you want to know?

tigger123

Not surprised at all. Boards has gone very right wing these days.

tigger123

tigger123 wrote: »

Not surprised at all. Boards has gone very right wing these days.

Infiltrated by terrorists?

tigger123

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Infiltrated by terrorists?

No, just w*nkers.

MrMusician18

To be honest I just don't see it. Is there even a real right wing party in the Dail? No FG don't count.

The only real right wingers are a few rural independents.

biko

This is the report https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-te-sat-2020

Some snippets

EU Member States observed that a substantial number of terrorists have a prior criminal record, mainly in different forms of non-organised crime.
In Sweden, nearly half of the jihadist individuals convicted of different forms of violent crime are travellers to, or returnees from the conflict zone.
Hungary reported that many known members of right-wing extremist groups have previous convictions for violent crimes.
In Ireland, known criminal elements have been identified as affiliated with right-wing protests.

Several EU Member States reported violent right-wing activities.
In Ireland, incidents associated with antiimmigrant ideology, including arson attacks on immigrant housing facilities and a vehicle, were observed in 2019.

Arrests in 2019 per EU Member State and per affiliation

randd1

Yes, all those recent marches to support BLM in spite of the Covid-19 restrictions, the justified vilification of Gemma O'Doherty and her ilk, the recent enough surge in support for left wing parties and politics in the general election in contradiction to the centre right policies of the two historical main parties and the repeated calls across all corners of the media to examine our national conscience when it comes to race and minorities are very much part of a wave of right wing extremism alright.

Rodney Bathgate

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Is there some sort of point you're trying to make here?

Point? No, as I said, nice to see you have kept an open mind on it. You are to be commended for that.

John Doe1

Yeah you are right, I was going down O Connell street the last day, it was all swastikas and synagogue burning.

Racism is bad (and Racists are not exclusively white and European) but mass importation of people who share none of our values and will never integrate fully is not the solution to this.

Regarding the burning of Direct Provision centres, perhaps that wouldnt have happened if the local communities had been consulted properly beforehand rather than adding a third/half to their population who may/or may not be fleeing persecution in their homeland overnight.

Rodney Bathgate

Just to set come context, a couple of recent posts from the OP:

“The irony of saying that on a thread full of racist scumbags whinging about how 'white people' are being threatened by the mere existence of non-white people here. Plenty of ye do nothing but think about race, clearly.”

“Let's be honest here: to these types, "antifa" is literally just "people to the left of me"/"people expressing an opinion I think is left-wing".

BarnardsLoop

Yep. I make no bones about the fact that I'm left-wing. Oh, sorry, was that supposed to be some kind of amazing 'gotcha'?

Would you now like to explain how my opinions invalidate what Europol has to say? Please, go ahead, I can wait.

piplip87

Ive noticed a trend among people. Those who have posted mad conspiracies' regarding COVID, 5G and Vaccinations are the same people who post stuff about immigrants, anti asylum seekers and the usual racist ramblings are nearly all SF voters. A large section of the SF vote is far right regarding immigration....

I cant wait until SF get into power and see the meltdown.

This is not an anti SF post as they are not a racist party do have good policies regarding asylum seekers and migration. It just shows that its new support maybe not be the longing for a left wing alternative

Manach

Given how radically the Overton window has shifted then nowadays merely being in support of Free speech is equivalent to re-constituting the 4th Reich. Which is we all know is why Count Dankula was training his pug for.

BarnardsLoop

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Yep. I make no bones about the fact that I'm left-wing. Oh, sorry, was that supposed to be some kind of amazing 'gotcha'?

Would you now like to explain how my opinions invalidate what Europol has to say? Please, go ahead, I can wait.

The report shows we have no had no right wing terrorism arrests. The article refers to the arson attack on the direct provision centre and just for the mere fact that it was an attack on a direct provision (immigration) centre they prefix it with "right wing terrorists".

The most likely scenario is it was a group of thugs unhappy with a direct provision centre in their town. I seriously doubt they know what a right wing politician is let alone care.

Rodney Bathgate

OP seems to be trolling.

5555555555

Europol seem to be trolling.

Rodney Bathgate

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Yep. I make no bones about the fact that I'm left-wing. Oh, sorry, was that supposed to be some kind of amazing 'gotcha'?

Would you now like to explain how my opinions invalidate what Europol has to say? Please, go ahead, I can wait.

As I said setting the context. Whether the mods agree it is trolling, is another thing.

Either way not worth anyone’s time engaging with you.

Rodney Bathgate

5555555555 wrote: »

Europol seem to be trolling.

Maybe they are trolling the OP?

BarnardsLoop

Trolling by... posting a news article in a forum literally titled 'Current Affairs'? Honestly, I was expecting something just a little less feeble than that

Ah well, if you feel so strongly then report my OP and let the mods decide.

Unless your contention is that just because I'm left-wing I must be trolling. c:

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

This is the report https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-te-sat-2020

Some snippets






Arrests in 2019 per EU Member State and per affiliation

reming me never to go to Italy, France or Greece. jaysus,

Rodney Bathgate

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Trolling by... posting a news article in a forum literally titled 'Current Affairs'? Honestly, I was expecting something just a little less feeble than that

Ah well, if you feel so strongly then report my OP and let the mods decide.

Unless your contention is that just because I'm left-wing I must be trolling. c:

I had already done so, thanks.

Feeble trolling is feeble.

Manach

Manach wrote: »

Given how radically the Overton window has shifted then nowadays merely being in support of Free speech is equivalent to re-constituting the 4th Reich. Which is we all know is why Count Dankula was training his pug for.

I wouldn't say burning down direct provision centers is a radical shift of the Overton window.... I don't believe your free speech is being restricted...

Overheal

suicide_circus wrote: »

not saying theyre wrong but have they made any similar comment on the recent wave of left wing violence?

Funny enough: Going off the FBI it’s for the most part a lot of right wing extremists inserting themselves into left wing protests to sow disdain for the protest movement.

BarnardsLoop

Yeah but no one could possibly guess the motives of the people that burned down the hotel and to do so is obviously just "pushing a left-wing narrative". I get that those dopes think they're playing dumb (rather than just being dumb) but it's a little insulting, at this point, that they expect the rest of us to believe them.

ShamNNspace

Eric Cartman wrote: »

reming me never to go to Italy, France or Greece. jaysus,

Why Greece?

Tacitus Kilgore

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Why Greece?

They invented gayness

The same Europol who can't find Ghislaine Maxwell, on Interpol's most wanted list either, even though she is widely known to be living in Paris

https://www.tatler.com/article/ghislaine-maxwell-hiding-in-paris-secret-luxury-bolthole

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The same Europol who can't find Ghislaine Maxwell, on Interpol's most wanted list either, even though she is widely known to be living in Paris

https://www.tatler.com/article/ghislaine-maxwell-hiding-in-paris-secret-luxury-bolthole

Why on earth are you dredging for reasons to discredit Europol? What allegiance do you owe right wing extremism?

suicide_circus

Overheal wrote: »

Funny enough: Going off the FBI it’s for the most part a lot of right wing extremists inserting themselves into left wing protests to sow disdain for the protest movement.

lol, you on overtime? wouldnt be the first time the fbi got it wrong i suppose. the "protest movement" dosnt need any help in that regard.

5555555555

"Europol said all ten deaths in terrorist incidents in 2019 were from jihadist attacks. It said five people in Ireland were arrested in relation to jihadist extremism in 2019."


Last two lines in that article.


This seems to be very poor journalism from Cormac O'Keeffe.

Varik

Belgium & UK seems to have a lot of none specific terrorist, almost like they're hiding something.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Why Greece?

Gonna guess he misread it or meant to write Germany.

BarnardsLoop

Deleted User wrote: »

The same Europol who can't find Ghislaine Maxwell, on Interpol's most wanted list either, even though she is widely known to be living in Paris

https://www.tatler.com/article/ghislaine-maxwell-hiding-in-paris-secret-luxury-bolthole

"Widely known"?

That article quotes a Sun article which itself quotes... "an unnamed source". You couldn't get much further from "widely known", frankly. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine Europol has access to far more and better resources than The Sun's "unnamed source".

Eric Cartman

Varik wrote: »

Belgium & UK seems to have a lot of none specific terrorist, almost like they're hiding something.





Gonna guess he misread it or meant to write Germany.

following the Swedish model "we have a problem with islamic grooming gangs and rapists" "we simply stop recording ethnicity and the problem disappears"

BarnardsLoop

Varik wrote: »

Belgium & UK seems to have a lot of none specific terrorist, almost like they're hiding something.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

following the Swedish model "we have a problem with islamic grooming gangs and rapists" "we simply stop recording ethnicity and the problem disappears"

Yes, yes, it's all a conspiracy to suppress knowledge of Islamist terrorism. It's not as if the UK encompasses a region that's literally had decades of non-Islamist terrorism, is it? And obviously those organisations didn't splinter or keep things going.

See, this is precisely the problem: how do you debate the kind of person for whom lack of evidence of something is itself, evidence of its existence? Let alone evidence of a conspiracy to suppress knowledge of its existence.

Overheal

suicide_circus wrote: »

lol, you on overtime? wouldnt be the first time the fbi got it wrong i suppose. the "protest movement" dosnt need any help in that regard.

Got it wrong? They’ve already made arrests..

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boogaloo-movement-recent-violent-attacks/story?id=71295536

Overheal

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

"Widely known"?

That article quotes a Sun article which itself quotes... "an unnamed source". You couldn't get much further from "widely known", frankly. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine Europol has access to far more and better resources than The Sun's "unnamed source".

See I would of thought they spotted the big question mark on the headline signifying it’s speculative conjecture.

BarnardsLoop

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Trolling by... posting a news article in a forum literally titled 'Current Affairs'? Honestly, I was expecting something just a little less feeble than that

Ah well, if you feel so strongly then report my OP and let the mods decide.

Unless your contention is that just because I'm left-wing I must be trolling. c:

I think the problem is that you are reading the article through left-wing tinted glasses and also that the article is clearly feeding on the popular opinion of the day in order to generate revenue through clicks, links and reposts. It is misleading in its conclusion and title, it is grossly exaggerated at the very least.

The conclusion is in fact that Ireland does not have a right-wing extremist terrorism problem and actually the only terror related arrests were jihadist with, by the way, the majority (possibly all of them) involved being refugees.

With regards to the burning down of the hotel and car, people in the area did not want the direct provision centre. I dont condone burning it down, as I've said that was simply an act of thuggery. But let's not let that take away from the truth of the issue which is that this was not wanted and the people of the area were being ignored.

Varik

Can anyone find any reference to those 5 arrest for Ireland?

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Yes, yes, it's all a conspiracy to suppress knowledge of Islamist terrorism. It's not as if the UK encompasses a region that's literally had decades of non-Islamist terrorism, is it? And obviously those organisations didn't splinter or keep things going.

See, this is precisely the problem: how do you debate the kind of person for whom lack of evidence of something is itself, evidence of its existence? Let alone evidence of a conspiracy to suppress knowledge of its existence.

Then would have been under Ethno nationalist and separatist terrorism and the point still stands.

Either way the UK has a very large number of terrorist who they can't seem to find motivation or affiliation for.

and Belgium?

Kermit.de.frog

Is Gemma regarded as a "surge of right wing extremism" OP?

Because I genuinely am unaware of anyone else really although others are more low profile obviously.

Mr. Karate

John Doe1 wrote: »

Regarding the burning of Direct Provision centres, perhaps that wouldnt have happened if the local communities had been consulted properly beforehand rather than adding a third/half to their population who may/or may not be fleeing persecution in their homeland overnight.

When you factor in that the Govt [both Irish and Eu] are forcing them on us and then there's been an increase in violent crimes, rapes, sexual assaults,etc whenever they've been set up in other Countries its natural for people to be worried. Why should our loved ones become victims because the do gooders in Government want to pat themselves on the back showing to the world how "loving, compassionate and tolerant" they are while making sure where they live is shielded from direct provision centres and migrants in general. People are going to be concerned and since the Govt is clearly ignoring the will of the people and are going to continue this anyway they lose the right to be shocked when communities feel this is the only way to let themselves been seen and heard.

BarnardsLoop

Varik wrote: »

Then would have been under Ethno nationalist and separatist terrorism and the point still stands.

By the same token, wouldn't Jihadist terrorist incidents be under "Jihadist terrorism"? c:

Either way the UK has a very large number of terrorist who they can't seem to find motivation or affiliation for.

Or for whom none of the categories in the report are applicable to. Interestingly, two notes at the bottom of that annex weren't quoted by biko.

The first reads: "The data on 386 terrorist arrests was not broken down by type of terrorism, therefore represented in the category ‘Not
specified’."

So it's possible the data given to them simply wasn't recorded in that way or that the specific terrorism the arrests were made for wasn't separately recorded. Especially since Annex 2 lists sixty four incidents in the UK that were "completed, failed, or foiled". Most likely is that the UK authorities don't record the type of terrorism for which someone is being arrested, it would come under "terrorist offence" or something like that.

and Belgium?

Well, I'm doing nothing more than you two: speculating. Still managing not to jump to wild, conspiratorial conclusions, though.

Montage of Feck

There was an expose on theses far right extremists on BBC panorama the last night. I don't think we have too much to fear here, as most are just wasters who live out of their bedrooms in internet chat rooms. But