anyone arrived back at Dublin Airport recently ?

bazzare

does anybody know what is the current situation for those coming back to Ireland from abroad ?

Are they really stopping and everyone coming back in and checking their temperatures etc

are the guards there asking people questions about where they have been and and making sure they to fill in the Location forms

How stringently are passengers being vetted before they are allowed back in ?.

I just wonder how strictly this 14 day self isolation / quarantine is actually being enforced.

Do they actually send someone out to your house to ensure you are there , or do they just call or send a text ?.......

I would like to know how seriously the authorities are taking the seriousness of the situation .

I fear that in reality there are little of no checks and we will soon be back in another lockdown when the 2nd wave inevitably hits

goingnowhere

You must complete the form, its the law...

Passenger locator/landing forms are the norm globally regardless of COVID, we are somewhat insulated from them by the EU,

kapisko1PL

My wife flew into Dublin from Berlin on June 13th.

Yes, it was compulsory to fill in the Locator Form.

No, nobody has physically checked the home address at which she's "self isolating".

Yes, we got 1 (one) phone call to make sure the details she has provided in the Locator form is accurate.

Phone call looked like this:

"Hello, is this "wifeys name"?"
"No, it's her husband, she gave my number as she' doesn't have an Irish number yet"
"Ah ok, is she at home?"
"Yes, she is"
"Ok. Great. Thank you. Have a nice day"
"You too".

Temperature checks, yes they did.

Masks, everyone on the plane had one.

Based on the Irish times article, the quarantine is not compulsory but "strongly advised".

Humour Me

Family member came back for the first time since March last week. Had to provide the signed form, asked for his reason for travel, where was he going, where was he staying and how was he travelling there. Also reminded of the recommendation to quarantine.

Also got a phone call during the week asking him to confirm he was where he stated on the form.

Said the staff were very professional but it was a lot more than the usual look at the Irish passport and get waived on.

jonnny68

Arrived in Belfast international airport yesterday, no border security at all, a few people with Dublin and country accents most likely to avoid having to complete the ridiculous self isolate form.

niallo32

Arrived this morning from Heathrow. Completed the form. Little or no checks otherwise

jonnny68

niallo32 wrote: »

Arrived this morning from Heathrow. Completed the form. Little or no checks otherwise

what did they say out of curiosity?

no border security at Belfast airport yesterday.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

jonnny68 wrote: »

Arrived in Belfast international airport yesterday, no border security at all, a few people with Dublin and country accents most likely to avoid having to complete the ridiculous self isolate form.

What’s ridiculous about it?

bladespin

Christian Faithful Menopause wrote: »

What’s ridiculous about it?

At a guess, the form is mandatory but the isolation isn't.

Though it's something for tracing should the worst happen, though how effective???

jonnny68

Christian Faithful Menopause wrote: »

What’s ridiculous about it?

Because it's something which should have been done in March, not at the end of May which is far too late, the worst is they extended it until July 9th meaning more jobs will probably be lost in the aviation and travel industry.

oh god, here we go again

bladespin

jonnny68 wrote: »

Because it's something which should have been done in March, not at the end of May which is far too late, the worst is they extended it until July 9th meaning more jobs will probably be lost in the aviation and travel industry.

Well very much agree on this, we knew it was coming and how it would get here but did nothing.

Talk about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

jonnny68

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0619/1148502-aer-lingus-job-losses-covid/

the longer these restrictions go on the more job loses there will be.

theguzman

Is it true that flights going out of Ireland are checked for people on welfare and fellows returning with their social welfare cut off?

jonnny68

theguzman wrote: »

Is it true that flights going out of Ireland are checked for people on welfare and fellows returning with their social welfare cut off?

someone mentioned this but i didnt see anyone at all like this on last Saturday morning.

theguzman

jonnny68 wrote: »

someone mentioned this but i didnt see anyone at all like this on last Saturday morning.

I know a person who had his Covid-19 payment money cut off after someone impersonated him on a flight with his passport which had been stolen previously. This guy never left his house at all during lockdown and recently had his card rejected whilst buying groceries, turned out he got no payment for a month and when he rang up to find out where was his money he was told he boarded a flight to Europe and his payment was subsequently cut off. He is appealing this now. Are people not removing their masks for a simple ID check? A mask and a stolen passport is a gangsters dream.

Wuff Wuff

theguzman wrote: »

I know a person who had his Covid-19 payment money cut off after someone impersonated him on a flight with his passport which had been stolen previously. This guy never left his house at all during lockdown and recently had his card rejected whilst buying groceries, turned out he got no payment for a month and when he rang up to find out where was his money he was told he boarded a flight to Europe and his payment was subsequently cut off. He is appealing this now. Are people not removing their masks for a simple ID check? A mask and a stolen passport is a gangsters dream.

are they identical twins?

theguzman

Wuff Wuff wrote: »

are they identical twins?

My mate reckons that whoever stole the passport was probably wearing a mask and not asked to remove it.

Atlantic Dawn

theguzman wrote: »

My mate reckons that whoever stole the passport was probably wearing a mask and not asked to remove it.

A lot of the checks now are automated facial recognition, high risk the person took travelling with it.

radiotrickster

Got told today in work that now when we apply for annual leave, we've to declare if it's being used for travel abroad and have to take an extra two weeks off (with our annual leave) after returning to self-isolate. Shut down the ideas a few people had of still going to Spain.

beggars_bush

theguzman wrote: »

Is it true that flights going out of Ireland are checked for people on welfare and fellows returning with their social welfare cut off?

This is a myth

Van.Bosch

jonnny68 wrote: »

Arrived in Belfast international airport yesterday, no border security at all, a few people with Dublin and country accents most likely to avoid having to complete the ridiculous self isolate form.

You think people would fly to Belfast and arrange travel to Dublin/elsewhere to avoid filling in a form?

niallo32

jonnny68 wrote: »

what did they say out of curiosity?

no border security at Belfast airport yesterday.

Asked me where I was coming from when I didn't have a form completed, told him did a walk on and off in LHR, he asked why, I said it was a long story.

That was it

stargazer 68

radiotrickster wrote: »

Got told today in work that now when we apply for annual leave, we've to declare if it's being used for travel abroad and have to take an extra two weeks off (with our annual leave) after returning to self-isolate. Shut down the ideas a few people had of still going to Spain.

Similar here. Told not to book anything without it being approved as we needed to add an extra 2 weeks to whatever leave we wanted if we were going abroad and it would need to be looked at in terms of service requirements. But I knew that would be the case anyway. Hopefully they will have to retract that shortly

jonnny68

Van.Bosch wrote: »

You think people would fly to Belfast and arrange travel to Dublin/elsewhere to avoid filling in a form?

Evidently yes they have been, that's exactly what i done.

chances are they wouldn't call to your house to check but theres always the chance they could if you were to fly back into Dublin so to avoid that possible scenario i flew into Belfast.

jonnny68

radiotrickster wrote: »

Got told today in work that now when we apply for annual leave, we've to declare if it's being used for travel abroad and have to take an extra two weeks off (with our annual leave) after returning to self-isolate. Shut down the ideas a few people had of still going to Spain.

That's ludicrous, if my job done that id start looking around for something else.

Eric Cartman

theguzman wrote: »

Is it true that flights going out of Ireland are checked for people on welfare and fellows returning with their social welfare cut off?

I wish, sadly not true.

jonnny68

theguzman wrote: »

I know a person who had his Covid-19 payment money cut off after someone impersonated him on a flight with his passport which had been stolen previously. This guy never left his house at all during lockdown and recently had his card rejected whilst buying groceries, turned out he got no payment for a month and when he rang up to find out where was his money he was told he boarded a flight to Europe and his payment was subsequently cut off. He is appealing this now. Are people not removing their masks for a simple ID check? A mask and a stolen passport is a gangsters dream.

That cant be right unless he looks very much like the person he supposedly took the passport from, especially thesedays with facial recognition being so accurate.

even if this did happen the person who stole your mans passport could land himself a hefty fine or jail time for something like this, a serious enough offence.

bladespin

jonnny68 wrote: »

That's ludicrous, if my job done that id start looking around for something else.

I wouldn’t really, it’s nice to be offered an extra fortnight paid leave on top of your hols, I’d love that job.

Humour Me

bladespin wrote: »

I wouldn’t really, it’s nice to be offered an extra fortnight paid leave on top of your hols, I’d love that job.

But if you have no annual leave left you would probably need to take it as unpaid leave.

Employers are worried about their liability if employees catch COVID and it is traced back to an individual who travelled. Safer to get you work from home for 2 weeks instead.

Mrs OBumble

theguzman wrote: »

Is it true that flights going out of Ireland are checked for people on welfare and fellows returning with their social welfare cut off?

Yes this check is being done.

Not the flight itself, but the passenger list is checked against PUP recipients.

jonnny68

bladespin wrote: »

I wouldn’t really, it’s nice to be offered an extra fortnight paid leave on top of your hols, I’d love that job.

i very much doubt it would be paid, you'd have to take it as AL or unpaid leave.

Tenzor07

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Yes this check is being done.
Not the flight itself, but the passenger list is checked against PUP recipients.

Got a link for that?

Tenzor07

jonnny68 wrote: »

i very much doubt it would be paid, you'd have to take it as AL or unpaid leave.

Depends on your contract of employment and company policy also. Most offices are fully or partially closed.
Employers can recommend you stay at home if you're feeling ill and/or display any Covid symptoms, so it either goes as a WFH day or sick leave depending on company policy, managers will see a lot more people staying at home with say a cold or fly symptoms for fear it may be Covid.
Companies could also provide free testing onsite or refer you to a company doctor.

This is why the current Govt. Administration/HSE need to provide clearer guidelines for companies and employee's.

beggars_bush

jonnny68 wrote: »

That's ludicrous, if my job done that id start looking around for something else.

I'd say fair play to the company for looking after all their other employees and families

statesaver

theguzman wrote: »

Is it true that flights going out of Ireland are checked for people on welfare and fellows returning with their social welfare cut off?

Why would they do this ?

Lex Luthor

radiotrickster wrote: »

Got told today in work that now when we apply for annual leave, we've to declare if it's being used for travel abroad and have to take an extra two weeks off (with our annual leave) after returning to self-isolate. Shut down the ideas a few people had of still going to Spain.

same with us, only right

problem is people are filling in the forms but I'd say very little are doing the self isolating for the 2 weeks
so people are travelling and going on jollys and coming back into society

Atlantic Dawn

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Got a link for that?

It's going on years...
https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/scores-of-social-welfare-tourists-held-at-airports-29800705.html

Beechwoodspark

Proper order too.

Tenzor07

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's going on years...
https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/scores-of-social-welfare-tourists-held-at-airports-29800705.html

That refers to "Benefit Tourism"...

The point being made was about people on the PUP being cut off for going on hols.

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That refers to "Benefit Tourism"...

The point being made was about people on the PUP being cut off for going on hols.

Makes no sense to me. People on a PUP are not supposed to be working, not looking for work. They are meant to be doing nothing. I don’t know where it says that they have to be doing that in Ireland. Very different situation to being on jobseekers. Unless they’ve actually lost their job rather than been temporarily laid off I guess

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

Makes no sense to me. People on a PUP are not supposed to be working, not looking for work. They are meant to be doing nothing. I don’t know where it says that they have to be doing that in Ireland. Very different situation to being on jobseekers. Unless they’ve actually lost their job rather than been temporarily laid off I guess

Yea that's why I asked the person who stated the fact that those on the PUP were being noted by the Social welfare where they heard that "fact"...

bladespin

Humour Me wrote: »

But if you have no annual leave left you would probably need to take it as unpaid leave.

Employers are worried about their liability if employees catch COVID and it is traced back to an individual who travelled. Safer to get you work from home for 2 weeks instead.

Depends but if you’re willing to work and there’s no legal impediment to you working then they are putting you on leave, I’d expect them to cover that not me.

theguzman

Are all Welfare recipients being checked or just those on the PUP payment? It would of course be relatively easy to cross reference now with the tiny amount of passengers flying compared to pre-pandemic levels of passengers.

kn

beggars_bush wrote: »

This is a myth

Not totally. There have been cases where Social Welfare have used travel data to show that there was fraud. There was also checks at Belfast airport a few years that caught 'asylum seekers' here travelling on other identities.

Tenzor07

theguzman wrote: »

Are all Welfare recipients being checked or just those on the PUP payment? It would of course be relatively easy to cross reference now with the tiny amount of passengers flying compared to pre-pandemic levels of passengers.

It was to combat "Benefit tourism"...

kn

https://www2.hse.ie/file-library/coronavirus/covid-19-passenger-locator-form.pdf

This 'quarantine' is really a misnomer. There is no requirement to quarantine, only to fill in the form correctly.

Tenzor07

kn wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/file-library/coronavirus/covid-19-passenger-locator-form.pdf

This 'quarantine' is really a misnomer. There is no requirement to quarantine, only to fill in the form correctly.

For all intents and purposes it is a 2 week quarantine, what company would send any employees here based on that, same for tourists who just want a relaxing break.. no one will come here while the requirement to self-isolate is in effect.

bladespin

Tenzor07 wrote: »

For all intents and purposes it is a 2 week quarantine, what company would send any employees here based on that, same for tourists who just want a relaxing break.. no one will come here while the requirement to self-isolate is in effect.

The isolation is optional, it’s requested but not legally required, many essential workers have been travelling back and forward between Ireland and the UK.

ASOT

theguzman wrote: »

I know a person who had his Covid-19 payment money cut off after someone impersonated him on a flight with his passport which had been stolen previously. This guy never left his house at all during lockdown and recently had his card rejected whilst buying groceries, turned out he got no payment for a month and when he rang up to find out where was his money he was told he boarded a flight to Europe and his payment was subsequently cut off. He is appealing this now. Are people not removing their masks for a simple ID check? A mask and a stolen passport is a gangsters dream.

Well that didn't happen at all.

Beechwoodspark

Simon Harris needs to make it clear law that ppl need to quarantine. Otherwise the guards force the person to quarantine in the local garda station cells.