Advice please.

Ben72

A farmer beside me left a dead cow and three dead calves on my land as he was due a farm inspection. In addition he had already sent some dead animals to the local knackery and didn't want to raise suspicion by sending more in a short period of time. His yard and my land are side by side. About two weeks later the animals were collected by the knackery but the remains of one calf were left. Only noticed when I was topping and came on remains. The smell was shocking and the ground is all blackened from where the other animals were hidden. I work away from farm and only picked up bits of the story from a mutual relation. Not his first time either, dead calves are often left out for the foxes to eat. What can I do with this idiot.

148multi

Ben72 wrote: »

A farmer beside me left a dead cow and three dead calves on my land as he was due a farm inspection. In addition he had already sent some dead animals to the local knackery and didn't want to raise suspicion by sending more in a short period of time. His yard and my land are side by side. About two weeks later the animals were collected by the knackery but the remains of one calf were left. Only noticed when I was topping and came on remains. The smell was shocking and the ground is all blackened from where the other animals were hidden. I work away from farm and only picked up bits of the story from a mutual relation. Not his first time either, dead calves are often left out for the foxes to eat. What can I do with this idiot.

Pictures and report in writing. No excuses.

RD10

Report. disgraceful carry on.

memorystick

You don’t want that type of person as your friend. Hold your head up high and report him. I’d even tell him it was me. You wouldn’t want to be intimidated by a Snip like that.

_Brian

Lads are right.
No room for this behaviour and you have to ask why his mortality rates are so high.
I’d be contacting the department and ISPCA today.

We did it years ago with a neighbor who would buy on old screw cows to fatten and a good few were dead in the fields at the same time. Problem cleared up right off.


This isn’t a case of its his business, this guy discredits every farmer in the country and jeopardises the whole industry.

whelan2

The department are there to help too not to penalise.

memorystick

whelan2 wrote: »

The department are there to help too not to penalise.

There’s a few Mod Snip in there who like making hardship for some. A right Mod Snip

Mod note. I'm getting fed up editing your profanities from posts here. Either you desist from using such language or don't post . The choice is yours.
Edit. Unless you've a link to back up your allegation I'm inclined to remove it . Thanks.
GC

Donegalforever

Tell your neighbour to lift his "rubbish" or you will have to get in tough with the Dept. of Ag. and the Environmental office.
Also leave him in no doubt that your are putting an end to him dumping dead animals on your property

Ben72

Thanks folks for the replies. The problem is we are related, if I report it, it would cause an awful split in the family and his father is a decent man. Saying that, I probably will report it. It seems to be any way but the right way with him. What sickens me is the fact he just dumped them on my land, no regard for anything and left one of them there to rot.

Base price

Ben72 wrote: »

Thanks folks for the replies. The problem is we are related, if I report it, it would cause an awful split in the family and his father is a decent man Saying that, I probably will report it. It seems to be any way but the right way with him. What sickens me is the fact he just dumped them on my land, no regard for anything and left one of them there to rot.

As an alternative to going directly to DAFM maybe you could have a quiet word with his Vet.

greysides

The vet is limited in what he can do too.

_Brian

Hang him out.

Was he thinking of the mess he’d have you in when he was dumping dead animals in your land, what if they had been found ??

Lady Haywire

That is disgraceful carry on, I honestly wouldn't pass one bit of heed being related to him & I'd get on to the Dept.
If you're dead set against that though, as you say the Father is a decent man. Have a word with him perhaps & he can maybe set the son straight on what will & will not be tolerated.

Another point not brought up yet is what about the disease these carcasses could have brought on to your land, left rotting on the ground. Isn't that how botulism is spread? It's disgusting farming practice & the sort of thing which gives a bad name to farmers. Surely something isn't right on his place if he's losing so many stock too, hiding the bodies for a few weeks won't make that problem go away.

Lime Tree Farm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

That is disgraceful carry on, I honestly wouldn't pass one bit of heed being related to him & I'd get on to the Dept.
If you're dead set against that though, as you say the Father is a decent man. Have a word with him perhaps & he can maybe set the son straight on what will & will not be tolerated.

Another point not brought up yet is what about the disease these carcasses could have brought on to your land, left rotting on the ground. Isn't that how botulism is spread? It's disgusting farming practice & the sort of thing which gives a bad name to farmers. Surely something isn't right on his place if he's losing so many stock too, hiding the bodies for a few weeks won't make that problem go away.

Maybe if he cared properly for his animals, and sent for the Vet when needed, he wouldn't have that many casualties. An absolute disgrace to have someone like that in charge of animals.

Water John

By going the official Dept route, the issue is then out of your control. Approach some other family member who'll clearly convey the message to him, or do it yourself.

LilacNails

You have to report this man OP, related or not, the suffering the animals are going/have gone through..... For what? Cause some careless fool can't be bothered to mind them properly?

This makes my blood boil. This man should NOT be allowed to keep any animal. He clearly hasn't the intelligence, or the decency to properly dispose them, let alone look after them.

People who do things like this most have some mental issues, and that's not a dig at him.

Please do the right thing OP and report him. This has to stop, there will only be more animals suffering because of this lousy bastard.

longgonesilver

Ben, any idea why the farmer is losing so many animals at the moment?

kk.man

Hold on a second. This behaviour can be an illness too, depression, alcoholism etc. Not for one moment am I condoning it.

I know of a case where a neighbour went to a local guard. Guards dealt with it and they never told where info came from.

Ben72

Definately not a depression or alcoholism issue with him. To be fair, he does call the vet, I have seen that for myself. I think its just a case of when they die, he doesn't care about regulations or anybody other than himself. Not sure why there is a high mortality rate, its ususlly calves and I had always put it down to him not cleaning his sheds. Dairy farmer, so the financial loss of a calf is not massive. He is one of these people who has always got away with stuff, he is like teflon. He isn't a young fella, nearly fifty, married with children and without doubt knows what he is doing is wrong. Not sure if talking to his father would help, he is bull thick and wouldnt listen to him.

jntsnk

Report him. Not acceptable.

alps

The Dept, Gardai, and IFA have what's called an "early warning system". Ring the Gardai or your local IFA office who will pass on the details without involving you. They will treat the case sensitively, determining if along with animal welfare issues that there are mental or financial drivers to the situtation.

The man might just be acting the downright bo###x or he may need help.

In any case, it will never be known who made the call.

tractorporn

Ben72 wrote: »

A farmer beside me left a dead cow and three dead calves on my land as he was due a farm inspection. In addition he had already sent some dead animals to the local knackery and didn't want to raise suspicion by sending more in a short period of time. His yard and my land are side by side. About two weeks later the animals were collected by the knackery but the remains of one calf were left. Only noticed when I was topping and came on remains. The smell was shocking and the ground is all blackened from where the other animals were hidden. I work away from farm and only picked up bits of the story from a mutual relation. Not his first time either, dead calves are often left out for the foxes to eat. What can I do with this idiot.

Tell him you've had an unannounced inspection and the Department man was doing fierce questioning of you about the smell and the area of black ground and that he was asking plenty of questions about next door and the rumours that there is high mortality. Might put the frighteners on him that the Department are talking about him?

Water John

tractorporn wrote: »

Tell him you've had an unannounced inspection and the Department man was doing fierce questioning of you about the smell and the area of black ground and that he was asking plenty of questions about next door and the rumours that there is high mortality. Might put the frighteners on him that the Department are talking about him?

If that doesn't work then he knows who is annoyed with him. Either go with what Alps said or direct open conversation with him or via intermediary.

Hershall

Ben72 wrote: »

A farmer beside me left a dead cow and three dead calves on my land as he was due a farm inspection. In addition he had already sent some dead animals to the local knackery and didn't want to raise suspicion by sending more in a short period of time. His yard and my land are side by side. About two weeks later the animals were collected by the knackery but the remains of one calf were left. Only noticed when I was topping and came on remains. The smell was shocking and the ground is all blackened from where the other animals were hidden. I work away from farm and only picked up bits of the story from a mutual relation. Not his first time either, dead calves are often left out for the foxes to eat. What can I do with this idiot.

Was it a Dept. inspection he had. Im just wondering how the animals weren't missed. If the cat was missing around here the Dept. man would cop it.......

Ben72

Not sure if it was a Dept inspection or an inspection as he is supplying milk.

Good loser

The number of animal deaths he has means he is being cruel and not treating his animals properly. This situation should not be allowed continue - however it's stopped.

whelan2

Good loser wrote: »

The number of animal deaths he has means he is being cruel and not treating his animals properly. This situation should not be allowed continue - however it's stopped.

No it does not. He could have had an outbreak of crypto or pneumonia or something. These things happen to the best of farmers too.

Siamsa Sessions

alps wrote: »

The Dept, Gardai, and IFA have what's called an "early warning system". Ring the Gardai or your local IFA office who will pass on the details without involving you. They will treat the case sensitively, determining if along with animal welfare issues that there are mental or financial drivers to the situtation.

The man might just be acting the downright bo###x or he may need help.

In any case, it will never be known who made the call.

100% agree - call the IFA county chair and have a chat. Your mental health is as important as his and this situation is obviously not doing much for your well-being. There's help there - act now and reach out for it.

Donald Trump

It would be stinking, but sure just take the remains that are left. Either bring them on the front loader and leave them at his yeard gate, or if they are broken up, lob them across the hedge with a pitchfork into the middle of his field.

Edit: Although you could also first give him the chance to remove them. That might be the better option.

smallcows

You would expect the milk purchaser to be aware of the conditions when they collect milk. If this farm was randomly picked for inspection by an international buyer he could do a lot of harm.

wrangler

whelan2 wrote: »

No it does not. He could have had an outbreak of crypto or pneumonia or something. These things happen to the best of farmers too.

Definitely these things happen, but farmers don't dump the carcases on their neighbours, that's acting the pup