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Symbols # ooo & - Catholic Births circa 1800

  • 20-06-2020 10:47pm
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    pjq
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    Sorry if asked before , I'm looking at Carrigeen Mooncoin Baptisms 1790s, South Co Kilkenny (microfilms) , the symbols of # (sometimes only one horizontal) ooo and - or "bastard" appear under child's name in 1st column . Could I have read "vagabond" beside a ooo symbol?
    What do the symbols mean?


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  • #2
    pinkypinky
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    Give us a link please.

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  • #3
    Hermy
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    pjq wrote: »
    What do the symbols mean?

    Yes, link please.

    Hard to comment on symbols without seeing them.

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  • #4
    pjq
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    Sorry , I thought that they might be standard, and I was being lazy. https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000635313_098?print=true . April 9th has a ooo and again on page 100 .


  • #5
    pinkypinky
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    I've never seen them before.

    There's a H symbol, then a # (which is a H with an extra cross) and the OOO.
    Some names have none of these but are underlined.

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  • #6
    Hermy
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    Would it ever be short hand for the identity of the priest who carried out the ceremony?

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  • #7
    spurious
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    Or payment - ever prominent in the minds of the clergy.


  • #8
    Hermy
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    spurious wrote: »
    Or payment - ever prominent in the minds of the clergy.

    That's a better idea.

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  • #9
    pinkypinky
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    I think it is definitely worth calling the church in question and asking if they've deciphered it.

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  • #10
    pjq
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    Now that I know that it's not a silly question, I'll ask locally. I'll update if I get answers.


  • #11
    pjq
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    Yes, It's about the dues , see Dunphy Dec 4th 1784 https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635313#page/22/mode/1up BTW Kilmacow is a neighbouring parish.


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  • #12
    pjq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭pjq


    Supplementary question , https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635313#page/12/mode/1up shortly after this page Mooncoin records changed to English . Each record previously mentioned "Guliclimus Fitzpatrick pastor de Rathkyran" , Rathkieran (Mooncoin) has a church ruin . There is a record of a Geoffry Fitzpatrick CC Mooncoin 1806-1818 at mooncoinhistory.ie .

    What can anyone tell me about the language he uses, it's not the Latin that I learned?


  • #13
    nuac
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    pjq wrote: »
    Supplementary question , https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635313#page/12/mode/1up shortly after this page Mooncoin records changed to English . Each record previously mentioned "Guliclimus Fitzpatrick pastor de Rathkyran" , Rathkieran (Mooncoin) has a church ruin . There is a record of a Geoffry Fitzpatrick CC Mooncoin 1806-1818 at mooncoinhistory.ie .

    What can anyone tell me about the language he uses, it's not the Latin that I learned?

    It is Latin


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