Garda Accidentally Shoots Himself

Feisar

I know familiarity can breed complacency but come on! Does anyone know how much training these people receive? As a firearms enthusiast myself I can say that the fact I'm handling/using a lethal device is always tucked away in the corner of my mind. Maybe that comes from being taught from an early age.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0611/1146938-garda-gun-accident/

Sonic_exyouth

Feisar wrote: »

I know familiarity can breed complacency but come on! Does anyone know how much training these people receive? As a firearms enthusiast myself I can say that the fact I'm handling/using a lethal device is always tucked away in the corner of my mind. Maybe that comes from being taught from an early age.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0611/1146938-garda-gun-accident/

I think a rake of lads were appointed at the beginning of the Covid Crisis before their training had been completed.

BPKS

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

I think a rake of lads were appointed at the beginning of the Covid Crisis before their training had been completed.

But they wouldn't be let anywhere near a firearm.

They are the mules out on the beat doing the sh1tty jobs.

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

I know familiarity can breed complacency but come on! Does anyone know how much training these people receive? As a firearms enthusiast myself I can say that the fact I'm handling/using a lethal device is always tucked away in the corner of my mind.

Do you know how it happened?
Or are you just assuming that he forgot a gun was a lethal weapon?

LessOutragePlz

Some might say that he shot himself in the foot.

Ten of Swords

Thankfully not severely injured.

All the reports say is that he was in his car getting ready to leave the Israeli embassy when it happened. I doubt there will be anything else released tbh.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/garda-hospitalised-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-the-leg-373378

Edgware

Possibly had the weapon in a holster and came loose putting on taking off a coat.
But carrying a loaded weapon is dangerous and no room for complacency.
An army man told me once that most people are killed by empty guns i.e. "I thought it wasnt loaded"
In the States if a cop is going to commit suicide he often has the cleaning materials on the table.Verdict. Shot accidentally while cleaning his gun. That means the family gets the insurance and pension

archer22

You're never supposed to have a live round in the chamber unless there is an imminent threat.
And if an imminent threat does suddenly materialise it only takes a split second to rack the slide.

There is also a device called a safety catch fitted to all guns which should always be on safe, unless again in an imminent threat scenario.

So you see guns are quite safe if handled correctly and proper procedures are followed..those procedures should be second nature to anybody entrusted with a firearm or indeed any other potentially dangerous tool.

But then the most dangerous tool in those type of accidents is always the one handling the implement.

KungPao

Police Academy stuff.

De de de de, de de de de...

AlphabetCards

archer22 wrote: »

You're never supposed to have a live round in the chamber unless there is an imminent threat.
And if an imminent threat does suddenly materialise it only takes a split second to rack the slide.

There is also a device called a safety catch fitted to all guns which should always be on safe, unless again in an imminent threat scenario.

So you see guns are quite safe if handled correctly and proper procedures are followed..those procedures should be second nature to anybody entrusted with a firearm or indeed any other potentially dangerous tool.

But then the most dangerous tool in those type of accidents is always the one handling the implement.

What experience do you have with firearms? Not all weapons have 'safety catches'.

corner of hells

archer22 wrote: »

You're never supposed to have a live round in the chamber unless there is an imminent threat.
And if an imminent threat does suddenly materialise it only takes a split second to rack the slide.

There is also a device called a safety catch fitted to all guns which should always be on safe, unless again in an imminent threat scenario.

So you see guns are quite safe if handled correctly and proper procedures are followed..those procedures should be second nature to anybody entrusted with a firearm or indeed any other potentially dangerous tool.

But then the most dangerous tool in those type of accidents is always the one handling the implement.

I can think of two firearms used by security forces in Ireland without "safety" catches.
The pistol used by AGS has to have a chambered round in it.

CtevenSrowder

corner of hells wrote: »

I can think of two firearms used by security forces in Ireland without "safety" catches.
The pistol used by AGS has to have a chambered round in it.

How does this work? I've never come across a pistol that doesn't need to be cocked.

It’s not exactly rare - unusual, perhaps

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jun/16/monarchy.keithperry

Other sh1t happens, too

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/camerons-bodyguard-suspended-for-leaving-gun-in-plane-toilet

Edgware

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s not exactly rare - unusual, perhaps

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jun/16/monarchy.keithperry

Other sh1t happens, too

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/camerons-bodyguard-suspended-for-leaving-gun-in-plane-toilet

The Gardai used have Smith and Wesson revolvers. Six in the chamber and no safety catch.

CrankyHaus

Embassy duty's a long and boring shift; which can have consequences.
Like the two armed Gardai who went on the piss and scrapped in front of the US Embassy before one drove home drunk.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-sacked-after-drunken-embassy-brawl-287170.html

I wonder if they just throw the washed up soaks onto it as an easy beat?

Beasty

KungPao wrote: »

Police Academy stuff.

De de de de, de de de de...

Think you're getting it confused with de Police

De do do do, de da da da ....

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

You're never supposed to have a live round in the chamber unless there is an imminent threat.
And if an imminent threat does suddenly materialise it only takes a split second to rack the slide.

There is also a device called a safety catch fitted to all guns which should always be on safe, unless again in an imminent threat scenario.

So you see guns are quite safe if handled correctly and proper procedures are followed..those procedures should be second nature to anybody entrusted with a firearm or indeed any other potentially dangerous tool.

But then the most dangerous tool in those type of accidents is always the one handling the implement.

I'm afraid you don't know as much as you seem to think.
There is not a safety catch fitted to all guns, & of course a guard on duty has a round in the chamber.

CrankyHaus

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Embassy duty's a long and boring shift; which can have consequences.

I think you will find that AGS did not say the member was on duty at the embassy.

CrankyHaus

bubblypop wrote: »

I think you will find that AGS did not say the member was on duty at the embassy.

You got me.... "On duty at a diplomatic residence". Apples and Oranges.
Good to see you focusing on the big picture

CrankyHaus

CrankyHaus wrote: »

You got me.... "On duty at a diplomatic residence". Apples and Oranges.
Good to see you focusing on the big picture

I don't believe AGS said that the member was on duty at a residence either.
And I'm pointing that out because you seem to suggest that members on those duties are somehow not as good as gardai in other duties.

CrankyHaus

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't believe AGS said that the member was on duty at a residence either.
And I'm pointing that out because you seem to suggest that members on those duties are somehow not as good as gardai in other duties.

Naturally they're going to be tight lipped about anything that makes them look bad.
I doubt we'd ever have heard of the lads scrapping in front of the US Embassy if it was possible to cover it up.

I'm just trying to make sense of it from the information available.
But yeah, you could well be right. I hope the Garda's well soon.

archer22

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm afraid you don't know as much as you seem to think.
There is not a safety catch fitted to all guns, & of course a guard on duty has a round in the chamber.

And one in his foot as well.

Rubberchikken

What clowns, and some of them armed.

My opinion and I'm entitled.

archer22

Edgware wrote: »

The Gardai used have Smith and Wesson revolvers. Six in the chamber and no safety catch.

You can have five in the chamber and the hammer resting on an empty chamber as well for safety.

Anyhow surely they are not carrying revolvers guarding the Israeli embassy..if Hezbollah turned up they would be very impressed

swarlb

Amazing all the same (on Boards) the wealth of expertise and knowledge, not only of weapons and how to use them, but on general 'police' methods and practice.
I wonder would it be prudent for these members to offer such knowledge to the Minister in charge.... might not only save lives, but also crime and whatever other 'failings' exist with our police.

One eyed Jack

swarlb wrote: »

Amazing all the same (on Boards) the wealth of expertise and knowledge, not only of weapons and how to use them, but on general 'police' methods and practice.
I wonder would it be prudent for these members to offer such knowledge to the Minister in charge.... might not only save lives, but also crime and whatever other 'failings' exist with our police.

I think the unfortunate Garda himself might struggle to explain how instead of shooting from the hip, he somehow managed to shoot himself in the hip!

Relieved to hear he’s ok though and nobody else was injured in what has to be said are truly unfortunate circumstances. Hopefully in time he’ll see the funny side... arm...

Ok I’m leaving

CrankyHaus

swarlb wrote: »

Amazing all the same (on Boards) the wealth of expertise and knowledge, not only of weapons and how to use them, but on general 'police' methods and practice.
I wonder would it be prudent for these members to offer such knowledge to the Minister in charge.... might not only save lives, but also crime and whatever other 'failings' exist with our police.

You seem incredibly aggrieved that people are discussing this at all. Do you have anything to contribute yourself?

swarlb

CrankyHaus wrote: »

You seem incredibly aggrieved that people are discussing this at all. Do you have anything to contribute yourself?

Yes, I do.... I hope he's ok. Everyone makes mistakes.

Konvict

He was probably the most professional person in the room at the time.

GreeBo

bubblypop wrote: »

of course a guard on duty has a round in the chamber.

Why?
How often does a guard have occasion to discharge his weapon while on duty in Ireland?

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

Why?
How often does a guard have occasion to discharge his weapon while on duty in Ireland?

Ah well it's not the point how often it happens, the point is that if it does happen, every second counts.

trashcan

archer22 wrote: »

And one in his foot as well.

:D. Post of the day !

archer22

Garda guns are special issue, the manufacturer has to engrave "HOLD OTHER END" on the barrels.

Heckler

One saying that stuck with me since I started shooting, albeit in a civilian situation, is "The Devil loads a gun once a year". It means check, check and check again when handling firearms. Its why on a range the shooter next to you or an RO will clear the firearm too and not just leave it up to the individual.

Thankfully the member of AGS is ok.

shamrockvilla

archer22 wrote: »

Garda guns are special issue, the manufacturer has to engrave "HOLD OTHER END" on the barrels.

You seem to have a bit of a thing about the Guards throughout your posts on several topics. Did you ever consider joining?

Edgware

GreeBo wrote: »

Why?
How often does a guard have occasion to discharge his weapon while on duty in Ireland?

What has that got to do with anything.
If a garda is carrying a weapon then it is deemed that an occasion may arise where he has to use it. If you have only five rounds in a six round chamber with no round under the hammer there will be a delay. Squeeze the trigger to get the round into position and then squeeze again to fire. You are giving advantage to the opponent. This is a life or death situation not the teddy bears picnic. If weapons are treated with respect and handled carefully there will be no mistakes

archer22

shamrockvilla wrote: »

You seem to have a bit of a thing about the Guards throughout your posts on several topics. Did you ever consider joining?

I was rejected for being honest..they said they had a guy like that before and he caused mayhem.

shamrockvilla

archer22 wrote: »

I was rejected for being honest..they said they had a guy like that before and he caused mayhem.

Don't think you're telling the truth

No doubt it will somehow end up with him getting a compensation claim out of the incident.

archer22

shamrockvilla wrote: »

Don't think you're telling the truth

Personally I find that statement to be disgusting

shamrockvilla

archer22 wrote: »

Personally I find that statement to be disgusting

a sniper rather than an archer

archer22

Deleted User wrote: »

No doubt it will somehow end up with him getting a compensation claim out of the incident.

He will end up loaded.

Edgware

archer22 wrote: »

I was rejected for being honest..they said they had a guy like that before and he caused mayhem.

Was that at the interview and you were asked what was your weakness and you said
I'm too honest or at least my psychiatrist thinks I am

mouldybiscuits

archer22 wrote: »

He will end up loaded.

Hopefully it doesn't cause insurance rates to shoot up again like they did during the boom.

Heckler

Edgware wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything.
If a garda is carrying a weapon then it is deemed that an occasion may arise where he has to use it. If you have only five rounds in a six round chamber with no round under the hammer there will be a delay. Squeeze the trigger to get the round into position and then squeeze again to fire. You are giving advantage to the opponent. This is a life or death situation not the teddy bears picnic. If weapons are treated with respect and handled carefully there will be no mistakes

Would be pretty sure AGS don't use revolvers anymore. Semi automatics would be what they have. The analogy and timing between sqeezing on an empty chamber and racking a semiauto slide is fair enough though.

Heard horror stories of AGS certified firearms holders at my range without a wit of knowledge. Older detectives with revolvers not knowing how to unload/reload etc.

ShatterAlan

Feisar wrote: »

I know familiarity can breed complacency but come on! Does anyone know how much training these people receive? As a firearms enthusiast myself I can say that the fact I'm handling/using a lethal device is always tucked away in the corner of my mind. Maybe that comes from being taught from an early age.


https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0611/1146938-garda-gun-accident/

I hope the man makes a full recovery. He could have ruptured his femural artery and bled to death very quickly. He also may have badly damaged his femur which could cause a life changing injury. Hopefully he's left with no permanent damage other than the obvious scars.

Edgware

Heckler wrote: »

Would be pretty sure AGS don't use revolvers anymore. Semi automatics would be what they have. The analogy and timing between sqeezing on an empty chamber and racking a semiauto slide is fair enough though.

Heard horror stories of AGS certified firearms holders at my range without a wit of knowledge. Older detectives with revolvers not knowing how to unload/reload etc.

Thats a real maker upper.

Manic Moran

archer22 wrote: »

You're never supposed to have a live round in the chamber unless there is an imminent threat.
And if an imminent threat does suddenly materialise it only takes a split second to rack the slide.

There is also a device called a safety catch fitted to all guns which should always be on safe, unless again in an imminent threat scenario.

So you see guns are quite safe if handled correctly and proper procedures are followed..those procedures should be second nature to anybody entrusted with a firearm or indeed any other potentially dangerous tool.

But then the most dangerous tool in those type of accidents is always the one handling the implement.

Paragraphs 3 and 4 are perfectly correct.

Speaking someone who wears a sidearm every day, 1 & 2 are "what are you waffling about?"

archer22

Manic Moran wrote: »

Paragraphs 3 and 4 are perfectly correct.

Speaking someone who wears a sidearm every day, 1 & 2 are "what are you waffling about?"

I am talking about firearms safety as I was taught it...jeez isn't that obvious :rolleyes:

If Police are walking around everywhere every day in civilian areas with guns cocked loaded and only a few pounds of trigger pressure away from discharging, then that is a worrying situation.

At least in a relatively peaceful country like Ireland.

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

I am talking about firearms safety as I was taught it...jeez isn't that obvious :rolleyes:

If Police are walking around everywhere every day in civilian areas with guns cocked loaded and only a few pounds of trigger pressure away from discharging, then that is a worrying situation.

At least in a relatively peaceful country like Ireland.

You clearly don't even know what type of guns the Gardai carry.
You seem to believe that all guns have a 'safety catch'!

archer22

bubblypop wrote: »

You clearly don't even know what type of guns the Gardai carry.
You seem to believe that all guns have a 'safety catch'!

So do tell us, what type do they carry?

And yes I know perfectly well revolvers don't have safety catches...I did not consider them relative to the story, as what police force in the world carries them in this day and age!