Trump v Twitter

This is possibly slightly in the conspiracy theory realm.

Whoever is really running America and or Trump's billionaire backers have decided to drop Trump as they are no longer making money plus his handling of the COVID 19 situation.

That is what is really going on with twitter clamping down on Trump? after all why now.

jam_mac_jam

I think he is trying to get banned. He is deliberately pushing them..

I am not sure why Twitter are deciding to go after him now, they seem to be quite selective in their actions.
There is no way they will ban him though. Too good for business.

Guy:Incognito

Yep. That seems much more likely than Twitter just deciding to push back a bit.

mariaalice wrote: »

This is possibly slightly in the conspiracy theory realm.

Whoever is really running America and or Trump's billionaire backers have decided to drop Trump as they are no longer making money plus his handling of the COVID 19 situation.

That is what is really going on with twitter clamping down on Trump? after all why now.

PropJoe10

If he was as upset with Twitter as he says, he'd just stop using it. This is purely a distraction tactic away from his "leadership" during the Coronavirus pandemic.

alchemist33

I'd also had the thought he was provoking them to ban him so he could play the martyr more. After all, making them more liable for what tweeters tweet will give them more cause to ban him, given some of the things he says. Twitter can afford to lose him.

Then again, I don't think he's capable of that much forward planning, and he really does like to tweet.

Madeleine Birchfield

mariaalice wrote: »

This is possibly slightly in the conspiracy theory realm.

Whoever is really running America and or Trump's billionaire backers have decided to drop Trump as they are no longer making money plus his handling of the COVID 19 situation.

That is what is really going on with twitter clamping down on Trump? after all why now.

Yet Facebook and billionaire Mark Zuckerburg are still sucking up to Trump, as so are Fox News. If the billionaire backers wish to get rid of Trump, it wouldn't just be Twitter clamping down on Trump.

ancapailldorcha

mariaalice wrote: »

This is possibly slightly in the conspiracy theory realm.

Whoever is really running America and or Trump's billionaire backers have decided to drop Trump as they are no longer making money plus his handling of the COVID 19 situation.

That is what is really going on with twitter clamping down on Trump? after all why now.

They're not clamping down on him at all. He's just become so deranged that they've finally decided to link factchecks to his tweets.

He's still free to spout his nonsensical bile while his supporters are still free to fetishise their fantasy victimhood narrative.

eviltwin

Good publicity for Twitter, I know at least two people who joined just to follow Trump. Twitter are very selective in what they act on, plenty of other vile tweets get to stay. If it was as bad as they say they would delete but this way people are talking about it

Sonics2k

This whole thing amuses me so damn much.

1/ It's absolutely hysterical to me that a Republican, GOP led Government is pushing for more regulation of business. The free market is apparently a problem when they don't like it.

2/ Trump is looking to get Congress to approve the Government control of a private business, and controlling that companies business model.

Trumps supporters are literally, literally supporting facism.

And the best part is that he's not ever been censored. They merely stuck up a fact checker and left his content up.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They're not clamping down on him at all. He's just become so deranged that they've finally decided to link factchecks to his tweets.

He's still free to spout his nonsensical bile while his supporters are still free to fetishise their fantasy victimhood narrative.

But it's always about the money, how come the fact checking is only important now and not before this?

Muahahaha

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'd also had the thought he was provoking them to ban him so he could play the martyr more. After all, making them more liable for what tweeters tweet will give them more cause to ban him, given some of the things he says. Twitter can afford to lose him.

Then again, I don't think he's capable of that much forward planning, and he really does like to tweet.

The thing is though he actually needs Twitter, it is vital to how he communicates. Hes got 80 million followers there about 40m of who are his base. If they ban him how else is he going to communicate so frequently and instantly with his base? All 40 million of them are not going to move to some alt-right Twitter lookalike platform, some would but he could still lose more than half his followers.

I dont think Twitter would ban him either because that would just make a martyr of him. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place though, especially when he is tweeting debunked conspiracy theories saying Joe Scarborough murdered his intern.

Twitter staff have been getting death threats too just to add another layer to this and the types who are issuing them are armed up to the teeth. Trump is stoking his base now over Twitter and Id be worried some MAGA crackpot could actually do something to the staff.

peddlelies

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They're not clamping down on him at all. He's just become so deranged that they've finally decided to link factchecks to his tweets.

This is my take on it too. If he hadn't spouted conspiracies about Joe Scarborough being a murderer they wouldn't have touched his tweets about mail in voting.

ancapailldorcha

mariaalice wrote: »

But it's always about the money, how come the fact checking is only important now and not before this?

Because they don't want to give governments any more incentive to regulate them than they already have. Between live streaming of atrocities, conspiracy theories, racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc these companies, while not directly producing such material are nonetheless giving it a platform. It's a bad look that could play out very badly for them so they'll keep quiet and hope things die down.

Annasopra

Trump cant win the next election if twitter bans him.

2u2me

Who fact-checks the fact-checker? Twitter admitted there was a mistake in their fact-check of Trump.

A truly bizarre world we live in where people are happy for a private company to be the arbiters of truth, and what a time to do it! There was just a 3 year investigation into Russia meddling in the U.S. elections; now twitter do it completely openly in front of the public and you all are in support of it.

Truly ****ing bizarre.

ancapailldorcha

2u2me wrote: »

Who fact-checks the fact-checker? Twitter admitted there was a mistake in their fact-check of Trump.

A truly bizarre world we live in where people are happy for a private company to be the arbiters of truth, and what a time to do it! There was just a 3 year investigation into Russia meddling in the U.S. elections; now twitter do it completely openly in front of the public and you all are in support of it.

Truly ****ing bizarre.

Anyone can factcheck Twitter. There are numerous factchecking organisations independent of Twitter.

But you know this. So you're instead just pushing more of this victimhood nonsense.

pjohnson

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Anyone can factcheck Twitter. There are numerous factchecking organisations independent of Twitter.

But you know this. So you're instead just pushing more of this victimhood nonsense.

If they weren't able to be victim/martyr what else could they be?

2u2me

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Anyone can factcheck Twitter. There are numerous factchecking organisations independent of Twitter.

But you know this. So you're instead just pushing more of this victimhood nonsense.

I'd be fine with fact-checking being applied to everyone equally(which is impossible); but applying to to Trump this close to an election is clear as day what they are doing.

Take your statements that you constantly spew for example; so easily fact-checked and disproven as wrong.

"Farage isn't a journalist"
"Trump advocates to drink bleach"

You can pedal these lies to your hearts content, but you wants others lies silenced. That's called hypocrisy.

storker

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Trump cant win the next election if twitter bans him.

I'm not so sure. Twitter seems to me the most effective way of getting the message out that he's unfit for office. The fact that it's Trump's own tweets that spread this message is a nice touch of irony.

Guy:Incognito

Its a sad state of affairs when "the most powerful man in the world" is reduced to constantly playing the victim cos the mean people online wont do what he says.

Maybe he can just send a group of people that didn't have to get a doctor to fake a note to stay out of the army to go kill Jack Dorsey for him and fix it all?

ancapailldorcha

2u2me wrote: »

I'd be fine with fact-checking being applied to everyone equally(which is impossible); but applying to to Trump this close to an election is clear as day what they are doing.

Take your statements that you constantly spew for example; so easily fact-checked and disproven as wrong.

"Farage isn't a journalist"
"Trump advocates to drink bleach"

You can pedal these lies to your hearts content, but you wants others lies silenced. That's called hypocrisy.

Ah. The old "Both sides" fallacy.

Those statements were never disproven by the way.

suicide_circus

silicone valley has a political position and their platforms take an editorial stance.

Trump needs the JFK. It’s the only thing that can save them now.

Guy:Incognito

suicide_circus wrote: »

silicone valley has a political position and their platforms take an editorial stance.

Even if thats true, isnt that the joy of capitalism and private ownership?

Cant be just having these things when it suits.

Muahahaha

peddlelies wrote: »

This is my take on it too. If he hadn't spouted conspiracies about Joe Scarborough being a murderer they wouldn't have touched his tweets about mail in voting.

I actually think Twitter made a mistake there in not tackling him over the Scarborough tweets instead using the mail in voting ones that just add to the whole conspiracy theory footing of his base. The Scarborough issue was one everyone could relate too, that was really low stuff. Whereas the mail in voting one is just a big rabbit hole.

2u2me

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Ah. The old "Both sides" fallacy.

Those statements were never disproven by the way.

That's the problem. Just about any statement or utterance can be considered an untruth, a falsehood or a lie apart from maybe the theorems in mathematics.

You trying to dismiss Farage as not a journalist reminds me of when some people tried to dismiss the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists as 'not-cartoonists'.

It's always about how these things are applied and given twitter's track-record I don't have high hopes for fairness and journalistic integrity.

suicide_circus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Even if thats true, isnt that the joy of capitalism and private ownership?

Cant be just having these things when it suits.

if they take an editorial stance they should be liable for what they host on their platform, like boards.ie is.

ancapailldorcha

2u2me wrote: »

That's the problem. Just about any statement or utterance can be considered an untruth, a falsehood or a lie apart from maybe the theorems in mathematics.

This is a weird mentality. Because people treated Trump as the dangerous, deranged bleach advocating lunatic that he is, suddenly everything is false?

2u2me

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This is a weird mentality. Because people treated Trump as the dangerous, deranged bleach advocating lunatic that he is, suddenly everything is false?

Trump should be treated just the same as everyone else, fairly. We live in a society where we don't tar and feather people.

There is a cabal of twitterati blue check marks that are intent on seeing his blood by any means necessary. The same mob that were shouting the loudest about the integrity of democracy during the last election now fall silent when Twitter openly do the very same thing they spent 3 years investigating Trump over.

Guy:Incognito

suicide_circus wrote: »

if they take an editorial stance they should be liable for what they host on their platform, like boards.ie is.

They havnt taken anything hes said down, they just offered people the opportunity to fact check it.

His bull**** is still there for all to see.

Silentcorner

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This is a weird mentality. Because people treated Trump as the dangerous, deranged bleach advocating lunatic that he is, suddenly everything is false?

Can anyone advocate a negative position on Trump without engaging in hyperbole?

Guy:Incognito

2u2me wrote: »

Trump should be treated just the same as everyone else, fairly. We live in a society where we don't tar and feather people. .

Report other peoples tweets then, thats the option people are using to alert them to Trumps tweets.

Unless you think theyre manually sitting down reading every tweet , from every user in the world and just picking up what they find?

Silentcorner

suicide_circus wrote: »

if they take an editorial stance they should be liable for what they host on their platform, like boards.ie is.

I'd imagine, Twitter have spent a pretty penny on lobbying the right politicians to ensure they are protected from liability for quiet some time...

suicide_circus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They havnt taken anything hes said down, they just offered people the opportunity to fact check it.

His bull**** is still there for all to see.

they blame themselves for getting him elected last time and over compensated, now he's going after them

Guy:Incognito

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'd imagine, Twitter have spent a pretty penny on lobbying the right politicians to ensure they are protected from liability for quiet some time...

But Trump tells everyone hes all powerful and can get anything done, so unless they have him itd be a waste.............

ancapailldorcha

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can anyone advocate a negative position on Trump without engaging in hyperbole?

Is hyperbole just a catch-all for any criticism of Trump like "attack"?.

Silentcorner

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Is hyperbole just a catch-all for any criticism of Trump like "attack"?.

Not at all...hyperbole is hyperbole...like calling him a deranged bleach advocating lunatic.

https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=laHSXva0G4bzgAaRwIOwBw&q=hyperbole+definition&oq=hyperbole&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgCMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoFCAAQgwFQpgJYvxNgpidoAHAAeACAAUOIAfsDkgEBOZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab

It's always the same...it's hysteria.

suicide_circus

dont worry lads, even if Trump succeeds President Biden will reverse it in November

ancapailldorcha

Silentcorner wrote: »

Not at all...hyperbole is hyperbole...like calling him a deranged bleach advocating lunatic.

https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=laHSXva0G4bzgAaRwIOwBw&q=hyperbole+definition&oq=hyperbole&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgCMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoFCAAQgwFQpgJYvxNgpidoAHAAeACAAUOIAfsDkgEBOZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab

It's always the same...it's hysteria.

The resort to semantics is deeply unconvincing. I cited a link before to back it up but it was of course ignored.

SEPT 23 1989

He is doing the world a great service here

But Trump bad man they howl

What happens next when they decide your opinions don't fit their narrative

Wake up

Guy:Incognito

suicide_circus wrote: »

dont worry lads, even if Trump succeeds President Biden will reverse it in November

Wouldn't be like Trump to just stick up a smokescreen that only needs to last till the election.

"Obamagate" and all the other people that are definitely going to be getting arrested over the last 4 years.

Convenient that none of it will happen till after November.........

2u2me

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The resort to semantics is deeply unconvincing. I cited a link before to back it up but it was of course ignored.

Everything is about semantics when 'fact-checking'. Trump said he wanted his aides to 'check' whether it can be done. A stupid statement I'll grant, but you keep parotting that he advocated to inject bleach into themselves. Not one person has so far done this, so you are wrong.

Your continued use of this statement is only a reflection of your insistance to use lies to smear whoever you don't like. The very same thing you want twitter to 'fact-check' Trump about. Pretty soon they will come for you too.

pjohnson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Wouldn't be like Trump to just stick up a smokescreen that only needs to last till the election.

"Obamagate" and all the other people that are definitely going to be getting arrested over the last 4 years.

Convenient that none of it will happen till after November.........

Is the Big Beautiful Wall up yet?

4068ac1elhodqr

Don't worry about the twatter noise, be more worried about facebook slurry.

Billionaire Mark Zuckerburg, was considering running for POTUS last time around (until folks realised he was a bore).
However closer to 2024, the nerd master will be a step closer to his dream of an all-knowing AI running the platform.

This automation will give him a year or two off to travel: find himself, eat street kebabs after shandies, swim with dolphins, cram in music festivals, and develop a persona.
After which, he'll be return elevated, and be able to poke/like about 3bn people into persuading them to support his great POTUS24/28/30 plans.


That is... if the much more interesting Musk doesn't beat him to it.

Silentcorner

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The resort to semantics is deeply unconvincing. I cited a link before to back it up but it was of course ignored.

You used two terms in one brief description...deranged and lunatic.

That is hyperbole.

Sonics2k

Friendly reminder that just last week Trump was accusing someone of murder.

So yeah, how comes his supporters in this thread didn't have a problem then?

Oh! How about the fact he previously tweeted demanding fact checking be done by social media, including Twitter.

No here's the thing, you lot don't like it because Trump had it happen to him.

Timberrrrrrrr

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

He is doing the world a great service here

But Trump bad man they howl

What happens next when they decide your opinions don't fit their narrative

Wake up

How many times did you delete the word SHEEPLE from the end before you hot post?

Guy:Incognito

2u2me wrote: »

Everything is about semantics when 'fact-checking'. Trump said he wanted his aides to 'check' whether it can be done. .

Only a ****ing idiot that is supposed to be the leader of a country , uses a live press conference to air his musings about anything that has even the remotest possibility of causing harm.

He still hasnt mentioned the debunking of hydroxychloroquine as a cure , mush less given his thoughts that there might be an issues seeing as result have shown if anything, the death rate is higher.

SEPT 23 1989

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How many times did you delete the word SHEEPLE from the end before you hot post?

Never crossed my mind..,,,

Guy:Incognito

Sonics2k wrote: »

Friendly reminder that just last week Trump was accusing someone of murder.

So yeah, how comes his supporters in this thread didn't have a problem then?

No here's the thing, you lot don't like it because Trump had it happen to him.

He put a question mark after it, so its all cool. Hes not accusing anyone and if someone takes action then its purely on them..............

suicide_circus

the only reason you have left leaning people supporting the giant tech corporations run by multi billionaires is because they happen to agree on the subject of Trump. the substantive argument on editorializing doesn't come into it.