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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭thomil


    Also, I'm not sure if any of Japan's indigenously produced aircraft are actually available for export. With Embraer, that's not the issue, they build primarily for export and have the logistics network in place to support export customers, simply by using the existing processes and partners they use for their civilian regional jets.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    They are. They demonstrated it to NZ recently to replace their C130H fleet, but NZ went with the C130J instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭sparky42


    With the sometimes flare up over Pre-WW2 and WW2 history I'm not to be honest, the ROK and Japan have a complicated relationship.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Weren't they planning also to build their own near identical aircraft?



  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭mupper2


    KAI's MC-X was proposed for long term development, but it's a private venture and not likely to move forward anytime soon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Looks like the air corps got of lightly with the Casa & PC12 bump compared to the Canadians




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    With Tenders for the Government Jet back in next week would Corporate Jets be ready to go or would a slot In the manufacturers production line have to be booked



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    The tender was vague enough to get something off the shelf and depending on the bidder, already complete awaiting purchase. If "New" means not pre-owned, anything that as demoed at the recent Paris airshow would be a contender. The urgency in this matter is unique for us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Good to see today on social media the Learjet up and running and giving the people of this state and excellent service.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Closing date tomorrow for Bids for the new Jet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,951 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Meanwhile in the real world, Avolon Leasing of Shelbourne Road, D4, just placed orders with the two big makers, for 140 No. extended-range narrow-body airliners, at a total cost of €17 Billion. It will bring their total book to over 1,100 aircraft.

    If only somebody was there to join up the thinking in this place.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So according to the indo the Learjet was Fuc#ed last week again but yet it was able to fly sick kids for operations?




  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭newcavanman


    Like we should have originally ? Or perhaps it's quite convenient if you are qualified on the 189 by the IAC , and when you retire or buy yourself out , there's local employment options with the Coastguard who will be flying the same type. ?

    Just sayin...........



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Aircraft go U/s when needed. Then they are fixed. Thats what happens when you only have one aircraft.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Same reason we got PC12, when they became the most popular non jet private aircraft operated by air ambulance companies all over the world...

    Repeat for EC135...barely a police/air ambulance body that isn't using one.

    Repeat for AW139, currently the VIP heli of choice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The Greeks have picked the AW139 over the Blackhawk to replace there Pumas. I wonder what the winning criteria was there



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,951 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    While in Australia, the Army is scrapping (literally dismantling and burying) its 45 NH90s in favour of Blackhawks and Sweden has signalled it is also planning for life after theirs.

    The problem child of European design by Committee continues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭sparky42


    And why aren’t they trying to sell them on I wonder?



  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭tippilot


    Because they ain't want to be held liable for anyone else finding out they are a ball of shite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    They are stripping out any useful parts first and giving them to NZ, who still operate the NH90 (Trouble free, by all accounts).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I think they wanted to but had no takers. The buyers were probably afraid they would get aussie built ones. Remember they have not a great rep when it comes to building stuff look what they did to the Styer



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,951 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    However...

    NZ only bought NH90s because Australia operate them, as they do interoperate closely at home and overseas.

    The ending of engineering support for the '90 in continental Australia, will leave NZ facing vastly increased costs to locally maintain its relatively small fleet of 8.

    While reported as reliable, the type did cause a minor political storm in New Zealand a few years back, where an opposition Party revealed that the 8 airframes had consumed NZ$ 3.3 million worth of spares in just two years.

    Whatever we might say about Air Corps acquisitions and fleet modernisation, at least we dodged that particular shitbox.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    NZ has been down this road before. Australia abandoned its troubled Seasprite upgrade project, replacing the type with the Seahawk aboard the "ANZAC" Frigates. NZ took a few semi modified, Australian Seasprites, and upgraded all their fleet to a local spec instead. They are now the sole user of the type.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Psychlops




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Then it transpired that the Air Corps didn’t have the large helicopters required to transport Mitterrand and his party (the Irish offered to rent some helicopters, but the French said they’d supply their own)

    The above taken from the State Papers. Imagine the goverment didnt no the air corps didnt have large helicopters maybe they taught they still had the puma



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,951 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think thats how it went.

    The two governments got into logistical planning for the visit. The Garda Commissioner put forward a policing and security plan, but the French officials said, ah mais non, vous must have super-medium helicopters and armour protected road vehicles if you are to transport M. Le President, to which the Irish replied that we have none of that fancy highfaluting 20th Century technology and the French said, fine we'll send our own on the visit, end of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Plus ca change.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,911 ✭✭✭sparky42


    To be fair, they would likely bring hardware themselves even if we had some equipment, I mean my Godfather was one of Foreign Affairs go to drivers and was involved in plenty of those trip of visits (from the Pope to Clinton), pretty much all brought something. Not that that changes how badly equipped we were.

    That being said, bare in mind what level of funding we are talking about, looking at one of the other articles from the State Papers there's this:

    costing the Republic between £600 million (€4.8 billion) and £800 million (€6.4 billion). This was the equivalent of between a third and half of the total tax take in the State in 1975.

    Even with a decade plus (and not a great period for the economy to put it mildly), the state's finances were beyond tiny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    The 1979 Papal visit was an all Irish job, from the outset. We borrowed a Puma from the German Border police for Garda use, and Irish Helicopters did well ferrying the Polish Goalie about. Aer Fungus collected him from Rome in a 747, and it had to slow to stall speed to allow our fleet of light machine gun armed fighter jets to fly formation into Irish Airspace.

    Once on the ground he was travelling by 11 tonne truck, driven by Gardai, with an open top and a body built by the CIE Coach Works.

    Only after 1981 did anyone think the Pontiff needed protection from anything other than the evil eye.

    It was surprising then when a state leader who didn't bring their own kit, expected Ireland to have it. We didn't do protection here. The Murder of Mountbatten in Sligo showed that. Even the difference in security between the visit of Clinton in 1998, and Bush a few years later, and even that of Obama and the Queen years later. We learn from experience.

    Nobody talks about the shambles of security that was the Reagan visit... We are lucky any foreign leader ever set foot on our island after that.

    I read also that AGS were unhappy with the amount of "hangers on" present from the Irish Side during the Gorbachev visit. Those with press passes had to wait while Mary Joan, who's sisters bridesmaid was the wife of some county councillor in Ennistimon, got on the Ramp in Shannon in to be closer to the Soviet leader.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The Garda wording on the Puma looked odd to say the least. DId the Germans fly it for AGS?



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