Is Tik Tok going to cause more farm accidents?

muddle84

I recently joined Tik Tok for a gawk and it's not too bad. There's a lot of good content, from dancing to farming to comedians etc. But one thing I've seen as silage season has toke off is really bad dangerous behaviour in the big tractors tearing around the place. I've seen videos of young people climbing out onto the cab to do a dance while the tractor is driving with a huge take running behind it, two lads sitting in the cab of a tractor while mowing silage drinking bottles of bud. I've even seen a video taken while the tractor is going along the main road and the driver is standing off to the side of the cab, clearly showing he is out of the seat. I'm all for a bit of craic but I've seen a few nasty accidents with heavy machinery and it really pisses me off when it's not respected.

Am I over thinking this or are people trying to outdo each other and taking more risks as a result? The other thing is all these people can easily be identified from the videos so are they asking for trouble?

bogman_bass

Is it any different to Snapchat? A lot of dodgy stuff on there

Say my name

There's been a few tractor accidents lately well shared on social media where you'd just have to wonder.

muddle84

bogman_bass wrote: »

Is it any different to Snapchat? A lot of dodgy stuff on there

The only difference I see is that the videos don't disappear whereas the Snapchat ones do

carrollsno1

Say my name wrote: »

There's been a few tractor accidents lately well shared on social media where you'd just have to wonder.

If its the same one from last week youre on about the young lad next door rolled a tractor with them last year and apparently they had another trailer roll on the pit and damage the trailer and loader the day after last weeks incident however it hasnt been confirmed yet just chatter in the co-op. However they are known for paying peanuts and getting monkeys especially lads who just turned 16 and cant even drive a car legally on the road yet, that has been strongly highlighted here the last week.

Reckon they could have a job finding work next year with all these repeat incidents.

AckwelFoley

Drives me nuts looking at young lads on machinery with phones out. They haven't the sence to be driving these machines safely and then adding this click clack of a camera every 2 minutes or video recording themselves driving is crazy. You cant do it driving a car, why should they be at it driving a 10 tonne machine rig.

lalababa

I worked with a couple of fellas who drive lorries and vans. One guy used to bet on the football whilst driving and the other used to Facebook. Tik Tok is worst of course, coz they are trying to outdo each other.

alps

Accident rates on farms over the past 2 weeks have been frightening. Some have been really misfortunate and haven't involved messing of this sort, but these type of videos are a fair insult to those who have been seriously injured and killed.

davidk1394

Young lads will still use phones anyway. If it's trying to get a good snapchat flat out through a town or the perfect insta story. I'm not perfect either but I'd like to think I've grown up and have managed to leave the phone in my pocket when it's not needed.
The images and stories from last week were scandalous and travelled like wild fire. I was getting photos while the machine was still on the bridge.
I think farmers, parents and contractors will have to lay down the law in terms of phone use and images. I wouldn't be too impressed to have a photo of my machinery going all over social media just to get a few likes.

muddle84

davidk1394 wrote: »

Young lads will still use phones anyway. If it's trying to get a good snapchat flat out through a town or the perfect insta story. I'm not perfect either but I'd like to think I've grown up and have managed to leave the phone in my pocket when it's not needed.
The images and stories from last week were scandalous and travelled like wild fire. I was getting photos while the machine was still on the bridge.
I think farmers, parents and contractors will have to lay down the law in terms of phone use and images. I wouldn't be too impressed to have a photo of my machinery going all over social media just to get a few likes.

Its a fair point, the first sign of messing and they are sacked or banned from driving the tractor on the family farm.

Is there anything to stop the Gardai going after them? I imagine driving a tractor down the road without sitting in the seat is a dangerous driving charge? Maybe drink driving a tractor in a field isn't illegal?

893bet

I dunno about you (but I want a cocktail) guys but tik tok is making me want to sell everything I have and buy a big Volvo loader.

kollegeknight

I think it’s more down to lads expected to create shock videos or funny videos, irrespective of the platform. Tiltok will go and be replaced.

I joined it to gauge could it be used for a virtual sports day we are doing with school and came across a lad agitating. Grabbing onto the pto cover sleeve and shaking and laughing.

Anything could have happened.

I show the results of extreme videos to my students and for the most part the follow rules within my classroom.

A lot of H&S training needed on a Farm full stop.

carrollsno1

davidk1394 wrote: »

Young lads will still use phones anyway. If it's trying to get a good snapchat flat out through a town or the perfect insta story. I'm not perfect either but I'd like to think I've grown up and have managed to leave the phone in my pocket when it's not needed.
The images and stories from last week were scandalous and travelled like wild fire. I was getting photos while the machine was still on the bridge.
I think farmers, parents and contractors will have to lay down the law in terms of phone use and images. I wouldn't be too impressed to have a photo of my machinery going all over social media just to get a few likes.

Definitly doesnt look good for the contractors with it all over social media even my father (whos not on socisl media) heard about it and how it was online well before i saw or heard of it.
Most farmers in OZ/NZ had a bit in tbe contract about publishing images on social media and use of mobile phones on site but i think that was more to do with the vegan movement at the time.
Wonder would the young lads parents let them off at silage anymore if they had to sign a pre employment agreement stating theyd be responsible for damages caused by negligence due to use of phones while driving?

Waffletraktor

Sounds like these young lads should be commeneded for practicing their darwin award nomination routine. As for who pays for the employers they need to review their quality of staff

The Rabbi

"The images and stories from last week were scandalous and travelled like wild fire. I was getting photos while the machine was still on the bridge." davidk1394

Did you get any pictures of the second trailer that day?

Keep Sluicing

The Rabbi wrote: »

"The images and stories from last week were scandalous and travelled like wild fire. I was getting photos while the machine was still on the bridge." davidk1394

Did you get any pictures of the second trailer that day?

I did. About 6 different times.

davidk1394

The Rabbi wrote: »

"The images and stories from last week were scandalous and travelled like wild fire. I was getting photos while the machine was still on the bridge." davidk1394

Did you get any pictures of the second trailer that day?

Yes. What I heard from a good source is the pin in the tipping rams snapped and it went over onto the buck rake. It wasn't the operators fault. They turned over a trailer last year also. Not many contractors turn over trailers two years in a row on level ground.

carrollsno1

davidk1394 wrote: »

Yes. What I heard from a good source is the pin in the tipping rams snapped and it went over onto the buck rake. It wasn't the operators fault. They turned over a trailer last year also. Not many contractors turn over trailers two years in a row on level ground.

Young lad next door rolled one last year with them and hed be a handy enough operator for a 16 year old and would have had a reference to back him up too.

tanko

If i was a contractor the first thing i'd do every morning is take the phones of all the drivers. Either they're at work or they're not.

_Brian

Stupid people add to the scale of accidents not phones or apps.

There’s lads about need a good old 1970’s style kick in the hole. Alas in this PC world gone mad that might hurt their feelings.

charolais0153

_Brian wrote: »

Stupid people add to the scale of accidents not phones or apps.

There’s lads about need a good old 1970’s style kick in the hole. Alas in this PC world gone mad that might hurt their feelings.

Stupid kids all over the world, only school shootings in America, guns the problem or the kids, tanko is right, walky talkies or old nokias shpuld be used

memorystick

Can lads post up what’s going on in Tim Tok land?

ED E

charolais0153 wrote: »

Stupid kids all over the world, only school shootings in America, guns the problem or the kids, tanko is right, walky talkies or old nokias shpuld be used

Baofengs for 22E a piece of anyone wants to progress that idea.


Remember if something happens and HSAI go back and find a history of blatant dangerous behaviour the head of the business could be criminally prosecutable. Shut crap like this down.

muddle84

ED E wrote: »

Baofengs for 22E a piece of anyone wants to progress that idea.


Remember if something happens and HSAI go back and find a history of blatant dangerous behaviour the head of the business could be criminally prosecutable. Shut crap like this down.

That's the bit I can't get my head around is that it is very easy to identify these people. Do they think the Gardai can't do anything about it?

This is one of the videos i was on about, in fairness for this one it could have been a video sent to him so not nessecarily the fella that has it up.
https://www.tiktok.com/@nialldonohue2/video/6827933929169816838

Sugarbowl

Anyone care to summarize what happened last week for those of us not on tic tok? No names of course

twin_beacon

carrollsno1 wrote: »

However they are known for paying peanuts and getting monkeys especially lads who just turned 16 and cant even drive a car legally on the road yet, that has been strongly highlighted here the last week.

I know a few contractors that are like that. The thing is, for some young lads 16-18, living at home with no rent/mortgage or food bills to pay, the wages they get are not that important to them! They are happy to be a part of the silage fleet for a few months in the summer.



I can't understand how 16 year olds are legally allowed to get behind the wheel of a modern tractor and haul grass for the summer. That law was created when a 188 or a ford 7000 with a single shop was the normal silage fleet.

tanko wrote: »

If i was a contractor the first thing i'd do every morning is take the phones of all the drivers. Either they're at work or they're not.

Well, if I didn't trust the lads then I wouldn't be giving them the keys in the first place.

muddle84

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Anyone care to summarize what happened last week for those of us not on tic tok? No names of course

I dont know, i think a trailer flipped over on its side while crossing a bridge. Nothing to do with my original post on this thread as there is nothing to say the driver was using a phone!

memorystick

muddle84 wrote: »

I dont know, i think a trailer flipped over on its side while crossing a bridge. Nothing to do with my original post on this thread as there is nothing to say the driver was using a phone!

Is that the green trailer turned over on the bridge in Meath? Was the driver on the phone at the time?

carrollsno1

memorystick wrote: »

Is that the green trailer turned over on the bridge in Meath? Was the driver on the phone at the time?

Kells in Kilkenny not Meath, pain of a bend and hills before it so should have been going handy anyway. Local chatter i heard was that the brakes were split and that disabled the trailer brakes also heard it was his first load of grass EVER but thats hard to believe as that tractor woukd have been too good to stick lad like that on.

carrollsno1

carrollsno1 wrote: »

Definitly doesnt look good for the contractors with it all over social media even my father (whos not on socisl media) heard about it and how it was online well before i saw or heard of it.
Most farmers in OZ/NZ had a bit in tbe contract about publishing images on social media and use of mobile phones on site but i think that was more to do with the vegan movement at the time.
Wonder would the young lads parents let them off at silage anymore if they had to sign a pre employment agreement stating theyd be responsible for damages caused by negligence due to use of phones while driving?

What ever above taking photos etc I had a few friends do a year or two in Oz from farms here who did a lot of work on farms down there and they were all watching movies on phones/tablets with the tractors on gps all day long when doing many field work tasks.

carrollsno1

Cassius Many Peroxide wrote: »

What ever above taking photos etc I had a few friends do a year or two in Oz from farms here who did a lot of work on farms down there and they were all watching movies on phones/tablets with the tractors on gps all day long when doing many field work tasks.

I used to get plenty of snaps of the rest of the lads i went out to WA with at it no bother to them, i was hard set to take a phonecall with everything else that needs watching its definitly not just turn her on the headland push a button and on ye go.

muddle84

memorystick wrote: »

Was the driver on the phone at the time?

Yeah that was exactly what I said........ He was watching Netflix on a 52 inch flat screen taped to the windshield of the tractor. I don't know how he was supposed to see the road at all.

memorystick

muddle84 wrote: »

Yeah that was exactly what I said........ He was watching Netflix on a 52 inch flat screen taped to the windshield of the tractor. I don't know how he was supposed to see the road at all.

Sorry for walking on your lad. I didn’t see your post. If the owner knew that I’ve no sympathy for him.

Waffletraktor

Say my name wrote: »

There's been a few tractor accidents lately well shared on social media where you'd just have to wonder.

If you end up with any claims over here nowadays the insurance are starting to need a forward and opperator facing dashcam before even a quote for a renewal would be considered. Sends off a 30 second video for anything the accelerometer picks up(harsh cornering/hard braking/speeding) with an on board sim card.
Gives them an excuse to void if you crash with a phone in hand.

Say my name

Waffletraktor wrote: »

If you end up with any claims over here nowadays the insurance are starting to need a forward and opperator facing dashcam before even a quote for a renewal would be considered. Sends off a 30 second video for anything the accelerometer picks up(harsh cornering/hard braking/speeding) with an on board sim card.
Gives them an excuse to void if you crash with a phone in hand.

I was driving behind a character today doing 50k in a Case 130.
Back window open. Beeping at people in fields. Doing hand gestures to keep in the ditch at oncoming tractors and dump trailers while he coming through.

The insurance companies should show these clips on a special website. It'd be better craic than Daithi and Maura.

dh1985

The people running these businesses are as guilty as the lads at this craic. Lay down ground rules and If lads are at this **** it cant be that hard to find out. The amount of tractors I have been behind and the gob****e driving been on the phone is staggering. It nearly seems to be a necessity to drive a tractor and have the phone in hand or to the ear. Can they not have hands free kits for calls and leave the phone in the dash when on the road

Andrew00

The amount of young lads I've seen over past few weeks driving huge machinery is unbelievable

Like some have just turned 16 and they're driving massive 191 John Deeres with a huge silage trailers

And then they have their 2 mates in the cab as well thinking they're great

Andrew00

These young lads tear into fields, taking half the gate and wall with them, driving into the fencing. My late grandfather found this out first hand. They don't know how to drive

Some responsibility has to be placed on the contractors themselves. These young lads driving through little pedestrianised towns at 70kmp putting up a Snapchat with "flat out"

TheBoyConor

Again, this is another reason why I think the age for driving tractors and other machines on the road needs to be upped to at least 18 and possibly 21. 16 year olds driving tractors was all well and good back in the day of the MF 135 and the Ford 3000 but that was then and this is now and the law needs to catch up with the times. Nowadays you can have a 16 year old driving an 50/60/80kph 300hp tractor down the road towing a 3 axle low loader with a 35 ton excavator on board, or outfitted mowers front and back. It is quite frankly insanity. You have to be 17 and get a heap of lessons from an instructor to be allowed drive a Nissan Micra ffs, yet there is comparatively no regulation of these machines which can be as heavy and as fast as many HGVs in some cases.
It is nothing short of lethal and negligent to both the public and the driver to put a 16 or 17 year old in charge of one of these larger machines.

Obviously, younger lads are those most inclined towards bravado and tik-tok or snapchat challenge crazes like this. They are also those with the least experience and knowledge as to the risks involved with heavy machinery, and the least equipped to react to an emergency situation should an incident occur. Social media crazes, young fellas and heavy machinery are a lethal combination.

Agriculture is, by a country mile, the most lethal sector of the economy. Construction was up there in terms of accidents at one time but it has been cleaned up massively and is now relatively safe, albeit still the second most dangerous with the second highest fatality rate.

I think by right this should be addressed and the carrot approach taken by the government and the HSA towards agriculture needs to be swapped for the stick approach. There needs to be some stiffer enforcement of workplace safety in agriculture.

But it will probably never happen due to the main parties being terrified of the backlash of rural TDs and farming groups to any such move. Minimally paid or unpaid work by young people with little experience or knowledge of the dangers of farming is too valuable to farmers.

Deaths on farms are usually old men killed in livestock accidents, or young men killed in machinery accidents. In the last couple of weeks 5 lives have been lost on farms. If this was the death rate in any other industry there would be a national uproar. Yet, unfortunately, it appears to be well tolerated among the farming community. Before the summer is out, there certainly will be more deaths owing to this lax attitude. And their friends won't be even able to come to their funerals. That is not a far fetched idea - that will and is a happening.

In my experience of farming, there seems to be at best an indifference towards safety and at worst an open contempt for it with bravado and foolhardy machismo being respected more. I have seen all sorts of crazy stunts and dangerous acts being performed at silage and harvest times. Story telling at break times and in the pub seems to be a competition for which driver can claim to have had the closest scrapes with death and who can do the most daring and risky thing. And drinking cans of beer while operating machinery is also frighteningly common. Imagine driving a excavator or other machine while working on a road works site or building site - you'd be out the gate on your arse before you could say "cans".

And obviously what I say only goes for what happens on the road. What happens off the road in farms and fields is totally unregulated and to be honest, it is unregulatable.

I cannot see anything changing any time soon.

TheBoyConor

carrollsno1 wrote: »

If its the same one from last week youre on about the young lad next door rolled a tractor with them last year and apparently they had another trailer roll on the pit and damage the trailer and loader the day after last weeks incident however it hasnt been confirmed yet just chatter in the co-op. However they are known for paying peanuts and getting monkeys especially lads who just turned 16 and cant even drive a car legally on the road yet, that has been strongly highlighted here the last week.

Reckon they could have a job finding work next year with all these repeat incidents.

I'd love if one of these contractors had a HSA audit. I'd say there would be prohibition orders to bate the band. But in the usual cute hurr style that these fellas operate, they'd circumvent it by collapsing the company and setting up under a new name so as to carry on working within a matter of days to avoid having to make any of the improvements to their work practices.

Id imagine that if any of their staff are killed or seriously injured they'd be tore a new one by the courts.

Its a fair point, the first sign of messing and they are sacked or banned from driving the tractor on the family farm.

Is there anything to stop the Gardai going after them? I imagine driving a tractor down the road without sitting in the seat is a dangerous driving charge? Maybe drink driving a tractor in a field isn't illegal?

It might not be illegal with respect to the Road Traffic laws, it is absolutely and 110% an offence for drivers to engage in such obviously reckless behaviour and consume alcohol as they are failing in their duties as employees. It is also illegal and an offence on the part of employers who fail to adequately supervise their staff and fail to take measures to discourage or prevent improper or dangerous conduct such as this.

I'd love to see someone made an example of.

Capra

I think the modern smart phone has been one of the most detrimental things that has ever happened to people. It's not just young fellas either. There is absolutely zero tolerance for boredom anymore. Drawing silage is a boring job but it's a job that requires full concentration as the consequences of getting it wrong can be fatal or at best very expensive for someone.

The moment people get even a little bit bored now they whip out their phones to entertain themselves. That takes your mind entirely off the task you are doing. It's even worse when the first thing that comes into your mind is to make a stupid video to entertain "the ladz".

I'd be asking ally employees to hand in their phones in the morning if I was handing the keys of €120,000 worth of machinery over to them. A CB radio which most of them have, can get them all of the information that they need. If there is an emergency they can be contacted easily.

Modern tractors are so well insulated from the world around them that the guys driving them don't seem to realise how serious a piece of equipment they are. I've heard of countless stories of brand new tractors needing full transmission rebuilds because lads drop the clutch heading down a hill for more speed and them and then let it back out suddenly. Absolutely zero mechanical sympathy or knowhow in most young lads.

K.G.

Sustainable farming are the buzz words at the moment but silage cutting is one area that looks unsustainable to me.outfits getting bigger and bigger and fewer and fewer and more and more grass being concentrated in a shorter time frame.its easy to condem contractors and young fellas but if you ask anyone why they dont do their own,they ll tell you cant get help,gear to dear and not worth it with contractors charge.its the same for contractors and worse.i dont know but the investment relative to the work window of these big outfits is crazy

Waffletraktor

Say my name wrote: »

I was driving behind a character today doing 50k in a Case 130.
Back window open. Beeping at people in fields. Doing hand gestures to keep in the ditch at oncoming tractors and dump trailers while he coming through.

The insurance companies should show these clips on a special website. It'd be better craic than Daithi and Maura.

I only know the above cause the local ad gang have them and the boss showed a video of a lance armstrong enthuesiast plowed into a parked tractor onna back lane

whelan2

Me thinks the farming press are reading boards

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

Me thinks the farming press are reading boards

Got an email yesterday off the FCI with deals of phone blockers for tractors.

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

Got an email yesterday off the FCI with deals of phone blockers for tractors.

Did you read it while driving your tractor

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

Did you read it while driving your tractor

I did. Going 4kph sowing WBC. Bloody horrible stuff

Keep Sluicing

Reggie. wrote: »

I did. Going 4kph sowing WBC. Bloody horrible stuff

WBC? What's that.

Local contractor just put in cab cams and dash cams in tractors this year. Told everyone that's driving them that it's for his and the drivers safety. He told them that they can do whatever they want on the phone as long as they are not driving while doing it.

muddle84

Just seen this on Agriland today:

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/tiktok-farm-machinery-pranks-an-accident-waiting-to-happen/

whelan2

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

WBC? What's that.

Local contractor just put in cab cams and dash cams in tractors this year. Told everyone that's driving them that it's for his and the drivers safety. He told them that they can do whatever they want on the phone as long as they are not driving while doing it.

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whisky_galore

A neighbour regularly takes a small army of children on his quad. No cop on.