Diesel Plug-in hybrid SUV

masterboy123

Can anyone recommend a diesel Plug-in hybrid SUV?

Must haves :
-Brand new.
-Automatic transmission.
-Automatic LED lights, wipers.
-Adaptive cruise control.
-Reverse camera (parking sensor optional).
-Leather seats with adjustable lumbar support (driver only)
-5-seater (7 seater is not a must)
-Good fuel economy.
-Low maintenance/Excellent post-sales service.


Budget : €60,000/-

Annual mileage: 35,000 kms. Therefore, looking for a highly reliable, durable and comfortable car with excellent post-sales experience.

So far I have only found BMW X3 30e and Volvo XC40.

Note: The car can also be a mild hybrid (without plug-in) as long as the fuel consumption is 5.5L/100km or less.

Thank you everyone

maddness

Is the BMW not a petrol engine plus hybrid? Most seem to be petrol not diesel as far as I know.
If fairness a diesel hybrid makes far more sense to me.

bazz26

BMW don't do plug in diesel hybrids. Very little if any diesel plug in hybrids on the market, even less so in SUVs. The Volvo XC90 is available but you won't buy a new one for 60k. Mild hybrid is just a marketing term really to jump on the green bandwagon by slapping a small battery on to the car and most manufacturing are offering this now on their new diesel vehicles.

OP had a thread here last week with a budget of 40k for a standard diesel SUV. Spending another 20k now to plug one into the wall makes little sense to me unless you do mega mileage to recoup the difference.

masterboy123

Yes, there is BMW X3 30e which is a diesel Plug-in hybrid. But you're right very limited options.

maddness wrote: »

Is the BMW not a petrol engine plus hybrid? Most seem to be petrol not diesel as far as I know.
If fairness a diesel hybrid makes far more sense to me.

masterboy123

Thanks Bazz26.

I am concerned about my annual mileage therefore I thought that a plug in hybrid will save me money on diesel costs in a longer term. Maybe I am wrong?

bazz26 wrote: »

BMW don't do plug in diesel hybrids. Very little if any diesel plug in hybrids on the market, even less so in SUVs. The Volvo XC90 is available but you won't buy a new one for 60k. Mild hybrid is just a marketing term really to jump on the green bandwagon by slapping a small battery on to the car and most manufacturing are offering this now on their new diesel vehicles.

OP had a thread here last week with a budget of 40k for a standard diesel SUV. Spending another 20k now to plug one into the wall makes little sense to me unless you do mega mileage to recoup the difference.

bazz26

The X3 30e is a petrol plug-in hybrid.

Also spending an extra 20k to plug it into the wall will take you a long time to make that back in fuel savings, do some maths.

carsfan2

I think you might be looking for a unicorn car with that wish list! If a car with all those features existed it would be well known and a big seller.
my understanding is that manufacturers haven't gone down the diesel/ plug in hybrid road as the weight of a diesel engine and the battery weight as well makes them too heavy to work well.
The Volvo xc90 is a petrol plug in too.
The best I can see is the Volvo xc60 B4 which is a mild hybrid diesel which is in budget and Volvo are doing a deal with three years servicing and a 1k deposit contribution. If you haggle I would say you might get a high spec inscription in budget.
The offer expired April but I guess in the current climate that would not be a problem, I also see they have offer on "innovation" pack which is 699 and includes adaptive.
When I look now you would get the momentum B4 mild hybrid with all your requirements except for seven seats under budget.
So it does exist after all!

https://assets.volvocars.com/ie/~/media/row/ireland/documents/pricelists/volvo-xc60-pricelist.pdf?la=en-ie


https://www.volvocars.com/ie/cars/new-models/xc60/201-offer

Dravokivich

I'd never heard of a diesel hybrid of any type. Only one I could find was an article about a Peugeot 3008 from about 8 years ago.

User1998

Why do you specifically want a diesel plug in hybrid? Why not petrol? And why does it specifically have to be less than 5.5l/100km? And then you go on to say it can also be “mild hybrid (without plug in)”. I think you mean regular hybrid. Mild hybrid is just a new fancy stop start system, whereas a regular hybrid drivetrain is whats used in Toyotas.

If you have a daily commute of say 50km and have access to home or work charging then a Plug in Hybrid would suit you, however the pay back would take years and you have to plug in every day which is annoying. I have a plug in hybrid but I bought used and it was no more expensive than the diesel equivalent so it made sense.

maddness

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'd never heard of a diesel hybrid of any type. Only one I could find was an article about a Peugeot 3008 from about 8 years ago.

Mercedes have a diesel hybrid E Class in the uk but it’s not sold here.
It’s really simple enough, if you are doing big mileage regularly then a diesel is still the best option. If you do mostly short journeys and will plug it in every night then a hybrid is a great option but not good on a long journey.

masterboy123

I just checked and you're right that X3 30e is a petrol plug in hybrid.

Actually I am not the best in maths, but looking on different posts here and given my mileage it looks like Diesel only engine is the best bet. So I am now back to square one.

bazz26 wrote: »

The X3 30e is a petrol plug-in hybrid.

Also spending an extra 20k to plug it into the wall will take you a long time to make that back in fuel savings, do some maths.

masterboy123

Why I want diesel and why less than 5.5L/100km is due to economical reasons.

But it looks like my best bet is to just get a diesel engine.

User1998 wrote: »

Why do you specifically want a diesel plug in hybrid? Why not petrol? And why does it specifically have to be less than 5.5l/100km? And then you go on to say it can also be “mild hybrid (without plug in)”. I think you mean regular hybrid. Mild hybrid is just a new fancy stop start system, whereas a regular hybrid drivetrain is whats used in Toyotas.

If you have a daily commute of say 50km and have access to home or work charging then a Plug in Hybrid would suit you, however the pay back would take years and you have to plug in every day which is annoying. I have a plug in hybrid but I bought used and it was no more expensive than the diesel equivalent so it made sense.

Heres Johnny

masterboy123 wrote: »

Why I want diesel and why less than 5.5L/100km is due to economical reasons.

But it looks like my best bet is to just get a diesel engine.

I've said this loads of times and sorry if it sounds flippant but you're looking completely in the wrong places to save money. I think my next car will be a plug in hybrid too, a 530e probably due to the fact I can get a 3/4 year old now or pretty soon, but it's far from an economic exercise. It will cost me multiples of whatever I might (or might not) save in fuel to buy it and watch it depreciate.
If you just want a diesel plug in hybrid then go ahead, nothing against them but not an economical purchase

carsfan2

masterboy123 wrote: »

Why I want diesel and why less than 5.5L/100km is due to economical reasons.

But it looks like my best bet is to just get a diesel engine.

In the grand scheme of things, a few litres difference in fuel economy is neither here nor there, depreciation on a new car will far outweigh it. Buying the wrong car new that depreciates more than others can cost a lot more.

cruizer101

I wouldn't focus too much on the l/100km tbh.

Think about it if you do 35,000 km in a year at 5.5l/100km thats about 2000l of fuel, at 1.30 a litre thats 2,500 euro.
Lets say the car did 11l/100km (twice the fuel cunsumption) thats 5 grand or difference of 2,500.

New car costs 60k, they say in first year you can lose up to 40% of value of car (https://www.theaa.com/car-buying/depreciation) lets say even 20%, thats 12k in deprciation.
Where as if you spent 40k on car its only 8k, so even if you spent extra 2,500 on fuel you are still not down as much.

Fair enough if you want to spend more money for more luxury but the idea of spending more money to try and save on fuel is just wrong.

Eric Cartman

masterboy123 wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a diesel Plug-in hybrid SUV?

Must haves :
-Brand new.
-Automatic transmission.
-Automatic LED lights, wipers.
-Adaptive cruise control.
-Reverse camera (parking sensor optional).
-Leather seats with adjustable lumbar support (driver only)
-5-seater (7 seater is not a must)
-Good fuel economy.
-Low maintenance/Excellent post-sales service.


Budget : €60,000/-

Annual mileage: 35,000 kms. Therefore, looking for a highly reliable, durable and comfortable car with excellent post-sales experience.

So far I have only found BMW X3 30e and Volvo XC40.

Note: The car can also be a mild hybrid (without plug-in) as long as the fuel consumption is 5.5L/100km or less.

Thank you everyone

so you're basically looking for the impossible, to run a luxury SUV on hatchback fuel economy and presumably the diesel requirement is for vat or is it just trying to be double fuel efficient ?

in reality 1) the fuel is the cheapest part of owning an SUV 2) the weight of batteries and a motor hurt fuel economy on the motorway 3) theres no diesel hybrids bar the e class merc as far as I'm aware.

If the vat on diesel is important id buy an e class estate.

maddness

If you are very concerned about fuel economy a suv is the wrong choice. Buy an estate car with a 2.0 litre diesel and you can get great economy.

Leonard Hofstadter

A regular estate or saloon car will be much more fuel efficient and cheaper to buy as well.

As others have said, fuel is just one part of the running costs of a car, do the maths.

coolisin

masterboy123 wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a diesel Plug-in hybrid SUV?

Must haves :
-Brand new.
-Automatic transmission.
-Automatic LED lights, wipers.
-Adaptive cruise control.
-Reverse camera (parking sensor optional).
-Leather seats with adjustable lumbar support (driver only)
-5-seater (7 seater is not a must)
-Good fuel economy.
-Low maintenance/Excellent post-sales service.


Budget : €60,000/-

Annual mileage: 35,000 kms. Therefore, looking for a highly reliable, durable and comfortable car with excellent post-sales experience.

So far I have only found BMW X3 30e and Volvo XC40.

Note: The car can also be a mild hybrid (without plug-in) as long as the fuel consumption is 5.5L/100km or less.

Thank you everyone

Hi Op that is a good list or requirements.

But i had a similar list without the budget!

Diesel Hybrids don't really exist there was a couple of examples more estate cars than SUV's
Volvo, Merc and Peugeot/Citreon had some.
Most are petrol Hybrid for a reason.

However with my Maths and test drives no PHEV would actually really work for me.

I would need to go full electric and I would just be touching on the range, to close for comfort so I stopped looking.


You need to look at your longest journey and work from there.

A phev only works if you are plugging it in ALL the time. otherwise you are driving around with a HUGE dead battery.

Also think its being said Mild Hybird is a "buzz Marketing speak"

ELM327

For 60k you'd get a good model X, and that's an SUV with no running costs at all bar a few cents on electricity.
If you do high miles, get either a diesel or a full electric with long range like a tesla.

I do 50-60k a year in my Model S Tesla. A PHev wouldnt save me money at all

masterboy123

With full electric cars, I have range anxiety and if there is an emergency what will I do as we don't have a second car. That's why I opted for a plug in hybrid but it looks like they won't be good in my case.

I will be doing 200-250 km a day, 5 days a week. Diesel will cost around 2500 euros annually. I guess that's my best bet in terms of economy?

Some people have suggested sedan, but I really like to drive an SUV on motorways, i find the seating position in SUV much more comfortable, it's a personal preference.

ELM327

If you're not prepared for a full EV (bearing in mind there are many out there that will easily do your 250km a day) then a straight out diesel is the best for fuel economy. Forget the plugs and batteries.

From a fellow long distance driver comrade!

bazz26

masterboy123 wrote: »

With full electric cars, I have range anxiety and if there is an emergency what will I do as we don't have a second car. That's why I opted for a plug in hybrid but it looks like they won't be good in my case.

I will be doing 200-250 km a day, 5 days a week. Diesel will cost around 2500 euros annually. I guess that's my best bet in terms of economy?

Some people have suggested sedan, but I really like to drive an SUV on motorways, i find the seating position in SUV much more comfortable, it's a personal preference.

2500 pa on fuel equates to just under €50 a week which is decent enough if your doing 1000 km per week. I think you will be doing well to match that with any SUV.

ELM327

bazz26 wrote: »

2500 pa on fuel equates to just under €50 a week which is decent enough if your doing 1000 km per week. I think you will be doing well to match that with any SUV.

When I was doing 1000km-1200km a week in diesels it was not even in SUVs and I was spending more than 50 a week. Probably closer to 100.


I think he's being very fanciful with his figures.

coolisin

Are your maths correct OP?
cause 200-250km, 5 days a week, really 50k a year, at €50 a week will not happen.

SUV's are great to sit and cruise in very much agree, people were suggesting a sedan as they have what you looked for.
Merc and Volvo diesel hybrid.
Volvo had the XC90 hybrid but no chance you get 5.5l from that!

Ferris

Isn't the LR Discovery Sport available with a mild hybrid diesel? Not sure if it fits the OP's other criteria.

A full plug in hybrid is due later this year.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/land-rover/discovery-sport-2015/history/

masterboy123

So my annual mileage will be 35000 kms. Because I have different types leaves and public holidays.

But its clear that I need to stick to a diesel engine only now. The hybrid is not going to be of much benefit in my case and hybrid volvo & Merc costs much extra.

coolisin wrote: »

Are your maths correct OP?
cause 200-250km, 5 days a week, really 50k a year, at €50 a week will not happen.

SUV's are great to sit and cruise in very much agree, people were suggesting a sedan as they have what you looked for.
Merc and Volvo diesel hybrid.
Volvo had the XC90 hybrid but no chance you get 5.5l from that!

Lantus

At 35k a year the difference between 5, 6 and 7 l/100km is 450eu a year and 3185 total fuel cost at 7l based on 1.30 a litre of diesel.

Is fuel economy a real concern when spending 60k on a car? Its 37 a month in real terms??

Big suvs just don't deliver fuel economy and the people who can afford them new generally don't nerd to worry about a cost variance of 450 a year.

If saving money is critical then spend 30k less on your car. Don't get bogged down by misleading aspirations. Getting the right car, quality level and trim is far more important than a few litres of fuel each month.

maddness

Lantus wrote: »

At 35k a year the difference between 5, 6 and 7 l/100km is 450eu a year and 3185 total fuel cost at 7l based on 1.30 a litre of diesel.

Is fuel economy a real concern when spending 60k on a car? Its 37 a month in real terms??

Big suvs just don't deliver fuel economy and the people who can afford them new generally don't nerd to worry about a cost variance of 450 a year.

If saving money is critical then spend 30k less on your car. Don't get bogged down by misleading aspirations. Getting the right car, quality level and trim is far more important than a few litres of fuel each month.

100% what he said!

masterboy123

Hi Lantus,

Your post is an eye opener for me. Perhaps I should have done the basic maths, which I am not good with.

You're absolutely right, 450euros extra annually is not a big deal for me.

This has opened my options and I am also looking at:
Nissan X-Trail,
Land Rover Discovery Sport,
Jaguar F-pace
Jeep Cheerokee (I think no longer available in Ireland). I am really interested to test drive Jeep cheerokee.

Thank you.

Lantus wrote: »

At 35k a year the difference between 5, 6 and 7 l/100km is 450eu a year and 3185 total fuel cost at 7l based on 1.30 a litre of diesel.

Is fuel economy a real concern when spending 60k on a car? Its 37 a month in real terms??

Big suvs just don't deliver fuel economy and the people who can afford them new generally don't nerd to worry about a cost variance of 450 a year.

If saving money is critical then spend 30k less on your car. Don't get bogged down by misleading aspirations. Getting the right car, quality level and trim is far more important than a few litres of fuel each month.

bazz26

The Volvo xc60 D4 auto is within budget:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2533395&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D94%26o%5B%5D%3D1456%26f%3D2%26t%3D2%26yn%3D2020%26yx%3D2020%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

As is the Audi Q5:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2491383&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D7%26o%5B%5D%3D1419%26f%3D2%26t%3D2%26yn%3D2020%26yx%3D2020%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0


Also if your doing alot of motorway driving then something with adaptive cruise control should be high up the list. It makes motorway driving so much easier.

masterboy123

Thanks for the links. I will look at them now.

Yes, adaptive cruise control is there on my wishlist.

bazz26 wrote: »

The Volvo xc60 D4 auto is within budget:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2533395&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D94%26o%5B%5D%3D1456%26f%3D2%26t%3D2%26yn%3D2020%26yx%3D2020%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

As is the Audi Q5:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2491383&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D7%26o%5B%5D%3D1419%26f%3D2%26t%3D2%26yn%3D2020%26yx%3D2020%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0


Also if your doing alot of motorway driving then something with adaptive cruise control should be high up the list. It makes motorway driving so much easier.

masterboy123

Anyone here used Audi Q5? I have read online it has many issues in terms of frequent repairs.

I loved the digital cockpit in Xc60.

bazz26

As with any premium branded car you will potentially have big bills if something goes wrong. Audi, BMW, Volvo, Land Rover and Jaguar are all pretty much going to be the same. With a brand new car you should at least have a good manufacturers warranty for at least 3 years and most offer extended warranties at a cost.

carsfan2

carsfan2 wrote: »

I think you might be looking for a unicorn car with that wish list! If a car with all those features existed it would be well known and a big seller.
my understanding is that manufacturers haven't gone down the diesel/ plug in hybrid road as the weight of a diesel engine and the battery weight as well makes them too heavy to work well.
The Volvo xc90 is a petrol plug in too.
The best I can see is the Volvo xc60 B4 which is a mild hybrid diesel which is in budget and Volvo are doing a deal with three years servicing and a 1k deposit contribution. If you haggle I would say you might get a high spec inscription in budget.
The offer expired April but I guess in the current climate that would not be a problem, I also see they have offer on "innovation" pack which is 699 and includes adaptive.
When I look now you would get the momentum B4 mild hybrid with all your requirements except for seven seats under budget.
So it does exist after all!

https://assets.volvocars.com/ie/~/media/row/ireland/documents/pricelists/volvo-xc60-pricelist.pdf?la=en-ie


https://www.volvocars.com/ie/cars/new-models/xc60/201-offer

I already found you the car that fulfils your requirements.

I have heard bad reports anecdotally re. reliability from two people with Q5's
Land rover Discovery Sport was recently updated but not sure about reliability there either.

masterboy123

The Volvo XC60 is getting above my budget with the good spec model. I am looking for lumbar support seats.

carsfan2 wrote: »

I already found you the car that fulfils your requirements.

I have heard bad reports anecdotally re. reliability from two people with Q5's
Land rover Discovery Sport was recently updated but not sure about reliability there either.

carsfan2

Lumbar support is standard on the Volvo.
You get leather heated seats with lumbar. I don't think you can get seats any better than come in a Volvo, they are renowned for the comfort and quality of their seats.

masterboy123

In the basic model of XC60, its 2 Way Power Adjustable Lumbar Support. 4 way would be preferable, but then I need to cash out more money.
So far xc60 is appealing.
Is the digital cockpit standard?

carsfan2 wrote: »

Lumbar support is standard on the Volvo.
You get leather heated seats with lumbar. I don't think you can get seats any better than come in a Volvo, they are renowned for the comfort and quality of their seats.

colm_mcm

masterboy123 wrote: »

Hi Lantus,

Your post is an eye opener for me. Perhaps I should have done the basic maths, which I am not good with.

You're absolutely right, 450euros extra annually is not a big deal for me.

This has opened my options and I am also looking at:
Nissan X-Trail,
Land Rover Discovery Sport,
Jaguar F-pace
Jeep Cheerokee (I think no longer available in Ireland). I am really interested to test drive Jeep cheerokee.

Thank you.

You will hate the x trail, given that its basically a Qashqai.

maddness

This has to be a piss take

carsfan2

masterboy123 wrote: »

In the basic model of XC60, its 2 Way Power Adjustable Lumbar Support. 4 way would be preferable, but then I need to cash out more money.
So far xc60 is appealing.
Is the digital cockpit standard?

If you read the product guide I previously linked all The information is in there.

kanuseeme

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/169818/plug-in-hybrid-mercedes-gle-350-de-prices-and-specs-revealed

GLE 350 de is said to manage 66 miles of electric range - a figure unmatched by most plug-in hybrids - and 256mpg. We should point out that Mercedes’ 66-mile range figure is based on the outdated NEDC cycle and will be lower under the new WLTP test cycle

The GLE is the largest car to get Mercedes’ EQ Power treatment, and it has a suitably large 31.2kWh battery. That’s paired with a 191bhp 2.0-litre turbocharged diesel engine; together the two produce 315bhp. Zero to 62mph takes 6.8 seconds and the car’s top speed stands at 130mph (99mph on electric power alone).

If you top up the battery using a DC fast-charger, it can be recharged to 80% in around 20 minutes.

you will have to sell a child or two

The AMG Line Premium model costs £64,680 and adds electrically adjustable front seats, a parking pack with a 360-degree camera, and augmented reality sat-nav guidance. Top-spec AMG Line Premium Plus adds another £3,500 to the price, and for that you get keyless entry, a panoramic sunroof, and an upgraded audio system.

at9qu5vp0wcix7

Wouldn't go near a brand new car if I knew it would have 150,000km - 200,000km on the clock within 3 years, that depreciation would be hard to stomach.

masterboy123

GLE is out of my budget and don't want to get it 2nd hand.

I am waiting for GLB to be launched in Ireland, I have a huge interest in this model and it will be under budget. As a good spec'd GLC is in the range of 54k, so I am hoping GLB would be around 48k.

kanuseeme wrote: »

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/169818/plug-in-hybrid-mercedes-gle-350-de-prices-and-specs-revealed

GLE 350 de is said to manage 66 miles of electric range - a figure unmatched by most plug-in hybrids - and 256mpg. We should point out that Mercedes’ 66-mile range figure is based on the outdated NEDC cycle and will be lower under the new WLTP test cycle

The GLE is the largest car to get Mercedes’ EQ Power treatment, and it has a suitably large 31.2kWh battery. That’s paired with a 191bhp 2.0-litre turbocharged diesel engine; together the two produce 315bhp. Zero to 62mph takes 6.8 seconds and the car’s top speed stands at 130mph (99mph on electric power alone).

If you top up the battery using a DC fast-charger, it can be recharged to 80% in around 20 minutes.

you will have to sell a child or two

The AMG Line Premium model costs £64,680 and adds electrically adjustable front seats, a parking pack with a 360-degree camera, and augmented reality sat-nav guidance. Top-spec AMG Line Premium Plus adds another £3,500 to the price, and for that you get keyless entry, a panoramic sunroof, and an upgraded audio system.

Lantus

Bailee Spoiled Bottle wrote: »

Wouldn't go near a brand new car if I knew it would have 150,000km - 200,000km on the clock within 3 years, that depreciation would be hard to stomach.

Well at least you can say it was used and you enjoyed it. I have neighbours to buy brand new suvs for sub 40k and put less than 20k on them over 3 years and then try to brag about how much extra its worth through not being used. Really sad because it still depreciated 55%. Why bother buying it at all??

Shefwedfan

I think I posted on your last thread

In reality with the mileage you are doing I would be concentrating on getting something comfortable. You are going to be spending a lot of time in the car.

So auto, cruise etc. Go down the years and get a better car inside than buying a new thing but its like sitting on a bad of spuds. The X-Trail as I said would be best value for money new as you should get all your requirements(leather etc) as the new.

But I would really look at Audi/BMW and drop down the years. Get something you want to drive.

at9qu5vp0wcix7

Lantus wrote: »

Well at least you can say it was used and you enjoyed it. I have neighbours to buy brand new suvs for sub 40k and put less than 20k on them over 3 years and then try to brag about how much extra its worth through not being used. Really sad because it still depreciated 55%. Why bother buying it at all??

Buy a 6-12 month old that still has a warranty but has already taken a depreciation hit. Best of both worlds IMO.

masterboy123

There's what I did with my current car, bought it 16 months old. But then after 2 years once the warranty was over, suspension, sensors, started giving problems.
But yes, i agree that's a good value for money.

Bailee Spoiled Bottle wrote: »

Buy a 6-12 month old that still has a warranty but has already taken a depreciation hit. Best of both worlds IMO.