Dribble bar v splash plate.

richie123

Anyone here that own dribble/trailing system,any difference in grassgrowth between the two?

Keepgrowing

richie123 wrote: »

Anyone here that own dribble/trailing system,any difference in grassgrowth between the two?

If you’re enquiring about SPvDB there’s no comparison DB way ahead and maintains soil index better in our experience

richie123

Keepgrowing wrote: »

If you’re enquiring about SPvDB there’s no comparison DB way ahead and maintains soil index better in our experience

So basically you will grow more grass as against splash plate..is it worth spending 13 grand on is the real question

Who2

If your feeding a lot of baled silage or don’t gather plastics completely every time then your better off with a splash plate. However if your going new and getting the grant it would be worth thinking about. I’d say the splash plate will be banned or at least limited in use in the next few years.

Keepgrowing

richie123 wrote: »

So basically you will grow more grass as against splash plate..is it worth spending 13 grand on is the real question

Depends on how much ground you have to cover
We use contractors and wouldn’t dream of buying one until the eldest has his license

Say my name

Who2 wrote: »

If your feeding a lot of baled silage or don’t gather plastics completely every time then your better off with a splash plate. However if your going new and getting the grant it would be worth thinking about. I’d say the splash plate will be banned or at least limited in use in the next few years.

Apologies for going slightly on a tangent. But have you any recommendations of which brand of spreader -dribblebar would be best able to handle the above.
I had a hi-spec combo in not so long ago and he was getting stops and blockages at the maserator.
Earlier this year I had an umbilical in and zero issue with the same tank.

Who2

Say my name wrote: »

Apologies for going slightly on a tangent. But have you any recommendations of which brand of spreader -dribblebar would be best able to handle the above.
I had a hi-spec combo in not so long ago and he was getting stops and blockages at the maserator.
Earlier this year I had an umbilical in and zero issue with the same tank.

I do nt know enough about them. i know of a lad who had an old dodo pump which would feed through stuff twice as tight as the brand new version of the same pump. he keeps one for the suckler lads and the other for the dairy boys.
This year i was feeding in a couple of days silage at a time and more bales than usual. Im on my fourth refill of one tank trying to drop it a bit.refill with pig slurry, mix again and repeat. There isnt a pump in the country that is capable of lifting the dung ive to get through and even less that would push it out the back end. pure laziness on my part but im paying for it now trying to get it out. it can sit soaking now until i get the first cut silage done.

richie123

Say my name wrote: »

Apologies for going slightly on a tangent. But have you any recommendations of which brand of spreader -dribblebar would be best able to handle the above.
I had a hi-spec combo in not so long ago and he was getting stops and blockages at the maserator.
Earlier this year I had an umbilical in and zero issue with the same tank.

I can see that issue with blockages being an absolute nightmare so good quick access and good stone boxes accessible woul be a priority in whichever make I go for

Millionaire only not

richie123 wrote: »

Anyone here that own dribble/trailing system,any difference in grassgrowth between the two?

There far from perfected yet , they’ll need to get a chop system onto agitators first .
Depending on system just before it goes in the pipes will never work

ruwithme

Who2 wrote: »

I do nt know enough about them. i know of a lad who had an old dodo pump which would feed through stuff twice as tight as the brand new version of the same pump. he keeps one for the suckler lads and the other for the dairy boys.
This year i was feeding in a couple of days silage at a time and more bales than usual. Im on my fourth refill of one tank trying to drop it a bit.refill with pig slurry, mix again and repeat. There isnt a pump in the country that is capable of lifting the dung ive to get through and even less that would push it out the back end. pure laziness on my part but im paying for it now trying to get it out. it can sit soaking now until i get the first cut silage done.

Pig slurry can be great for both thinning down and adding some value to it. but sometimes it will only do so much for you.

next time top it up with water if at all possible. it will make the final difference.

Panch18

Who2 wrote: »

I do nt know enough about them. i know of a lad who had an old dodo pump which would feed through stuff twice as tight as the brand new version of the same pump. he keeps one for the suckler lads and the other for the dairy boys.
This year i was feeding in a couple of days silage at a time and more bales than usual. Im on my fourth refill of one tank trying to drop it a bit.refill with pig slurry, mix again and repeat. There isnt a pump in the country that is capable of lifting the dung ive to get through and even less that would push it out the back end. pure laziness on my part but im paying for it now trying to get it out. it can sit soaking now until i get the first cut silage done.

The pig slurry should break it up for you - is it working?

davidk1394

A lot of contractors and farmers down my way are going towards Conor tanks and dribble bars or trailing shoe. Their good value for money. But a few contractors with experience with dribble bars and trailing shoes opt for a mastek macerator, their supposed to be the best on the market. All the dribble bars are fairly similar, the only thing different is the macerator.

Gillespy

Slurry separators seem popular in the UK. Even read on the British forums about mobile separators going from farm to farm. A further step in that is green bedding where the solids is used to bed cubicles.

No experience with separators, aware to benefits to storage capacity are pretty big but would a macerator be needed to deal with the liquid. It would simplify and cheapen dribble bars a lot if no macerator was needed.

oneten

mastek unit here, put a good bit of stuff through it in the spring, no blockages ,no issues at all, couple of tanks would have bits of broken pallets, bits of plastic and bits of old mats , picked out as much as i could with a fork from the agitation point while agitating but i doubt I got all of it , you'll need it watered down more than for a splashplate , especially in dry weather, last thing you want is to be mowing through lines of caked slurry for the second cut , and the tank empties a lot quicker with the dribble bar so you'll have to drive faster, found meself doin 12 km , you'll want 130 hp for hilly ground, and put a load of water through it when you're finished to clear the pipes
Spoke to a contractor before I bought anything and his opinion was mastek was the one to go for, I know its early days but so far so good

richie123

oneten wrote: »

mastek unit here, put a good bit of stuff through it in the spring, no blockages ,no issues at all, couple of tanks would have bits of broken pallets, bits of plastic and bits of old mats , picked out as much as i could with a fork from the agitation point while agitating but i doubt I got all of it , you'll need it watered down more than for a splashplate , especially in dry weather, last thing you want is to be mowing through lines of caked slurry for the second cut , and the tank empties a lot quicker with the dribble bar so you'll have to drive faster, found meself doin 12 km , you'll want 130 hp for hilly ground, and put a load of water through it when you're finished to clear the pipes
Spoke to a contractor before I bought anything and his opinion was mastek was the one to go for, I know its early days but so far so good

Would the tanker not blow out the pipes with air?

lab man

davidk1394 wrote:

A lot of contractors and farmers down my way are going towards Conor tanks and dribble bars or trailing shoe. Their good value for money. But a few contractors with experience with dribble bars and trailing shoes opt for a mastek macerator, their supposed to be the best on the market. All the dribble bars are fairly similar, the only thing different is the macerator.

is that whats on a conor tank david, any sign of the guy with the tm cab btw

oneten

richie123 wrote: »

Would the tanker not blow out the pipes with air?

yes 90% of it but when you fold up the arms and park it up in the yard you will get slurry draining back down to where it pools in the bend of the pipe

richie123

oneten wrote: »

yes 90% of it but when you fold up the arms and park it up in the yard you will get slurry draining back down to where it pools in the bend of the pipe

Never thought of that I'm guessing that drys out and creates a blockage the next time it's used?

oneten

richie123 wrote: »

Never thought of that I'm guessing that drys out and creates a blockage the next time it's used?

So it seems , hasn't happened to me but the fella I was talking to gave me a few tips, theory is if you're finished spreading after the second cut you probably wont use it again till mid january , plenty of time to dry out, makes sense so I'm not going to test the theory , also advised to take off the inspection plate on the macerator give it a washdown and squirt in a coat of oil to stop rust and one other thing was not to forget to turn off the chopper when the tank empties , dont run the chopper dry was the message.
Hard to remember the choreography of switches and levers after the simplicity of the splashplate system

richie123

oneten wrote: »

So it seems , hasn't happened to me but the fella I was talking to gave me a few tips, theory is if you're finished spreading after the second cut you probably wont use it again till mid january , plenty of time to dry out, makes sense so I'm not going to test the theory , also advised to take off the inspection plate on the macerator give it a washdown and squirt in a coat of oil to stop rust and one other thing was not to forget to turn off the chopper when the tank empties , dont run the chopper dry was the message.
Hard to remember the choreography of switches and levers after the simplicity of the splashplate system

Not so bad ..is it possible get a simple system worked off hydraulic s only or are they all controlled off a electronic box?

oneten

richie123 wrote: »

Not so bad ..is it possible get a simple system worked off hydraulic s only or are they all controlled off a electronic box?

you could with the mastek but you would have to order it that way because of the extra pipes , you'd need three double acting spools on your tractor for wings , macerator, and gate valve, four if you have a push out hitch .
switch gear is simple stuff on the mastek its just toggle switches controlling a solenoid valve to divert oil to macerator or wings
the vogelsang reverses rotation of the chopping unit automatically every thirty seconds so that must have a control board, with the mastek just push the lever the other way to reverse rotation of the chopper , keeps wear even on the cutters

dzer2

New ones come with a HMI you can't operate booms with the macerator running. Real simple operate. If you get the one with the pressure control the macerator goes into reverse to clear blockages automatically. The slurry really needs to be very watery

richie123

dzer2 wrote: »

New ones come with a HMI you can't operate booms with the macerator running. Real simple operate. If you get the one with the pressure control the macerator goes into reverse to clear blockages automatically. The slurry really needs to be very watery

God I never thought of that.very good idea too if a lad forgets to turn off macerator it won't burn itself out.auto reverse important too you would imagine? Cheers for the replies.ill keep all this in mind when I get approval.

dmakc

Would someone with a green cert but no herd number / ownership to their name be eligible for the 60% grant by next tranche for a dribble bar?

FarmerDougal

dmakc wrote: »

Would someone with a green cert but no herd number / ownership to their name be eligible for the 60% grant by next tranche for a dribble bar?

Only if in partnership
You still have time if you apply for herd number

The terms are all on agfood