Chernobyl fires...

Ficheall

Well, in case you wanted another reason to stay indoors..
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/wildfires-around-chernobyl-could-stir-up-radiation-authorities-fear-1.4227215?utm
Poor Ukraine

LaFuton

jesus, that's wild.

will they get the superpowers now?

TheValeyard

Is something trying to send us a message this 2020?

HBO has a sequel to its show

fryup

fek! thats all we need right now

AllForIt

This Ukrainian guy was exposed to radiation - and look what happened

https://news.sky.com/video/ukrainian-police-detain-beach-goer-for-violating-quarantine-11969534

Harry Palmr

That 30km zone needs to be scoured clean and clear. Made a desert.

Bobblehats

Wazza. Yer knob is on fire?

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

That 30km zone needs to be scoured clean and clear. Made a desert.

How? There's no way to just make it all vanish

Harry Palmr

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How? There's no way to just make it all vanish

The forest and scrub I mean. A massive programme of roundup spraying!

Bobblehats

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How? There's no way to just make it all vanish

Blast it the old school method

owlbethere

Christ,

We have to leave our windows open for ventilation because of this virus.

Now we might need to close them again from radiation.

Fcuking hell.


Poor Ukraine. I hope they are able to fight these fires and pull through this.

Montage of Feck

Harry Palmr wrote: »

That 30km zone needs to be scoured clean and clear. Made a desert.

So the wind can blow the radiated dirt all over the place?

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The forest and scrub I mean. A massive programme of roundup spraying!

The forest is the only solution they have. The plants and mother nature are dealing with it. There's really no alternative.

The exclusion zone is larger by a good bit than the forest so the issue here is, as per the original disaster, wind.

Again, you can't make it vanish. If you scrub the area, the waste ends up some place else. As it is now, nature is reclaiming and cleaning the soil but it's only 35 years into a 1,000 year plan!

gmisk

Not sure if this has been posted already...surely 2020 can't get any worse...seems it can!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/13/ukraine-wildfires-close-chernobyl-nuclear-site

Eric Cartman

theres cooling ponds on 3 sides and a giant memorial garden of flat concrete on the other, these won't get to the plant.

All the trees in the red forest were re-planted after the accident but still a bit radioactive, doubt its as much of a deal as the media make out.

Well worth going to see by the way anyone looking into an interesting trip when this is all done.

4068ac1elhodqr

gmisk wrote: »

...surely 2020 can't get any worse...seems it can!

On the plus side, our winds are usually Westernly, and many folks still have the iodine tabs from the post a while ago (check for expiry, and aged under 40).

Elsewhere, East Africa is looking at a 2nd wave of desert locusts with estimates that it will be 20 times worse then the plague that descended two months ago, which itself was the worst for 70yrs.

In Indonesia Anak (child of) Krakatoa,is getting a bit moody, same in Iceland any eruptions will cause further airline issues. These however would both be nothing compared to Italy's Campi Fiegei or Mount Vesuvius. Or indeed 'big' Krakatoa which blew it's load in 1883 and was heard 2,000miles away.

Ken.

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owlbethere

gmisk wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted already...surely 2020 can't get any worse...seems it can!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/13/ukraine-wildfires-close-chernobyl-nuclear-site

Hopefully they will be able to put the fires out soon.

owlbethere

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres cooling ponds on 3 sides and a giant memorial garden of flat concrete on the other, these won't get to the plant.

All the trees in the red forest were re-planted after the accident but still a bit radioactive, doubt its as much of a deal as the media make out.

Well worth going to see by the way anyone looking into an interesting trip when this is all done.

I want to visit Ukraine/Kiev and do a tour of Chernobyl. I considered taking advantage of the virus and checked travel prices back in February for April but the risk of picking up the virus is too much so sadly a visit to chernobyl won't happen this year for me.

BattleCorp

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Well worth going to see by the way anyone looking into an interesting trip when this is all done.

owlbethere wrote: »

I want to visit Ukraine/Kiev and do a tour of Chernobyl.

I'd love to visit but I'd be too chicken. Not a mad fan of the auld radiation.

GooglePlus

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd love to visit but I'd be too chicken. Not a mad fan of the auld radiation.

You'll probably get more on the way over there between x-rays and the plane travel itself.

Cordell

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How? There's no way to just make it all vanish

Just burn it all.
Oh, wait....

cnocbui

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The forest and scrub I mean. A massive programme of roundup spraying!

Why? How many people do you know who have died from radiation?

Cordell

cnocbui wrote: »

Why? How many people do you know who have died from radiation?

42.
No, seriously, that is the one of the official numbers. There are other estimates all within that order of magnitude.
Because no one can tell for sure if your cancer is due to radiation exposure or you would have got it anyway.

cnocbui

Cordell wrote: »

42.
No, seriously, that is the one of the official numbers. There are other estimates all within that order of magnitude.
Because no one can tell for sure if your cancer is due to radiation exposure or you would have got it anyway.

My question was in respect of people actually known personally.

So half the level of fatalities in the Wind power industry. I never fail to be astonished at how irrational people get over radiation. Forest fires near Chernobyl are simply not a health issue.

BattleCorp

cnocbui wrote: »

My question was in respect of people actually known personally.

So half the level of fatalities in the Wind power industry. I never fail to be astonished at how irrational people get over radiation. Forest fires near Chernobyl are simply not a health issue.

Forest fires anywhere are a health issue. Can cause breathing difficulties etc.

And it's hardly irrational to have a fear of radiation as it's a proven carcinogen ,mutagen and teratogen.

And if you think more people have been killed by the wind power industry than radiation, I think there's no point in us carrying this discussion further.

Cordell

It definitely wasn't as bad as the current situation, but what made it worse is that people exposed to fallout all over Europe didn't know if they were affected or not until years later, if ever. Just like I said, if you lived in an area that received radioactive fallout and years later you got cancer you won't know if it's cased by the accident or not.
There are estimates that put the casualties in the thousands, or tens of thousands range, including miscarriages and birth defects, but they are disputed and they are hard to be proven.

But yes, you are right, it's quite a level of irrational fear, where for example, solid fuel open fires fumes kill more people than any radioactive fallout.

Eric Cartman

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd love to visit but I'd be too chicken. Not a mad fan of the auld radiation.

You wear a geiger counter the entire time, the highest atmospheric you encounter is about the same as an xray in a dentists office

2u2me

Eric Cartman wrote: »

You wear a geiger counter the entire time, the highest atmospheric you encounter is about the same as an xray in a dentists office

I remember a youtuber Veritasium doing a video on it, his point was that a smoker's lungs are more radioactive then the worst parts in chernobyl currently.

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ShatterAlan

gmisk wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted already...surely 2020 can't get any worse...seems it can!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/13/ukraine-wildfires-close-chernobyl-nuclear-site

Christ, that image looks apocalyptic. Like something on the front album cover of a death metal band.

ShatterAlan

GooglePlus wrote: »

You'll probably get more on the way over there between x-rays and the plane travel itself.

x-rays? From what?

cnocbui

ShatterAlan wrote: »

x-rays? From what?

Not x-rays - radiation from cosmic rays not shielded by the Earths atmosphere due to high cruising altitude of aircraft.

Cordell

It's not that simple. Getting a high dose of radiation once is one thing, but the radioactive fallout was a totally different thing - you would be ingesting or breathing in particles that will keep firing for days or even years from inside of your body - this is why iodine tablets were distributed.