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Should I charge- what's fair

  • 10-04-2020 2:23pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20


    Hi boardies
    Looking for some advice.
    Tenant gave me notice for the end of this month but looks like they won't be able to vacate the room cuase they are currently in another country ..living at home due to travelling restrictions with covid
    Should I charge for next month, or by the week or not at all with the times we are in..
    I still have my mortgage repayments and can't rent it out cuase of thier stuff but maybe couldn't anyway at the moment.house in dub
    What do ye think appreciate other people's views
    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Talk to you tenant and ask them: are they leaving all their stuff, you will need to charge the rent so. Or can they arrange for it to be collected, room is vacant

    I think you are taking the p1ss tbh, you need to be looking at getting the room vacant to get a new tenant (when and if), not a way of charging the old tenant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 shipsey


    Thanks Amdublin
    Appreciate your reply..they text yesterday to say if the restrictions continue it would be beyond thier control if they couldn't clear the room, don't think they would have anyone in dub can clear it.. don't think they are renting where they are so not paying rent on double from next month. Also work for State so still getting thier wages
    Think I will tell them I will have to charge while they are still using the room for thier stuff
    Thanks again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Box it up and tell them you are doing so.

    Put to the side, you shouldn't be moving anyone new in anyway with this crisis.

    Bit unfair charging if they won't be using,

    It's a terrible time for everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Box it up and tell them you are doing so.

    Put to the side, you shouldn't be moving anyone new in anyway with this crisis.

    Bit unfair charging if they won't be using,

    It's a terrible time for everyone.

    This


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 shipsey


    Thanks for your reply..you have a point but it's a house share and the two other tenants also not there either so they are not using thier rooms but as they haven't given notice they will be paying rent .

    Definitely won't be boxing up their stuff, room is a real mess, had to go into it once cause radiotor was broke . Don't think they would appreciate me doing that anyway..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    shipsey wrote: »
    Thanks Amdublin
    Appreciate your reply..they text yesterday to say if the restrictions continue it would be beyond thier control if they couldn't clear the room, don't think they would have anyone in dub can clear it.. don't think they are renting where they are so not paying rent on double from next month. Also work for State so still getting thier wages
    Think I will tell them I will have to charge while they are still using the room for thier stuff
    Thanks again

    I assume you own the property so it's a licensee arrangement? You have their deposit? How do you plan on getting them to actually pay? They gave notice so have no intention of coming back.

    You are getting rent from the other two so you're not exactly on a one way ticket to the poor house. Box up the stuff and say you are keeping X amount of deposit as a cleaning and renovation fee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Fol20


    Box it up and tell them you are doing so.

    Put to the side, you shouldn't be moving anyone new in anyway with this crisis.

    Bit unfair charging if they won't be using,

    It's a terrible time for everyone.

    Even if they are not physically in the room. They are still using it when their stuff is there.

    It’s like a tenant asking to pay 50pc rent if they go on holidays for 2 weeks

    I wouldn’t touch the tenants stuff as they could claim you damaged or stole something.

    Tell the tenant. You will charge him until all of his stuff is out of your house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    We are living in extraordinary times.

    You are still getting paid your state wage. If you are non essential, you are not actually having to earn it. If you are essential, you are exposing the household to risk every time you go to work.

    Stop being a wagon.

    Text your tenant, offering to box/bag his stuff yourself, and saying that no rent is required after the move-out date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭Charlie19




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Brego888


    Charlie19 wrote: »

    I'm not sure it's particularly helpful to compare what a multimillionaire industrial landlord is currently doing to someone using the rent a room scheme to pay their own mortgage in Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭JustLen


    Put yourself in their shoes.

    They are not responsible for your mortgage payments.

    Maybe a middle ground would be to charge half the rent until they remove their stuff. In the meantime box up their stuff (after getting permission in a text) and advertise the room.

    If you can find someone else willing to pay full rent for the room then your at no loss.

    Like someone else said, what you are proposing to do is a p1ss take. You wouldn't be here asking for opinions if you were confident you were doing the right thing.

    I'm sure they will arrange to have there stiff gone within the next 3 months. You should apply for a 3 month mortgage break of you haven't already.


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    Stop being a wagon.

    Careful up there, the op is just asking advice.

    While these are certainly extraordinary times, I don’t think it is unreasonable to ask about the options if the licensees personal items are left there indefinitely. The op is entitled to re-let the room after the notice period is up, he/she isn’t evicting someone, the person renting the room is not coming back. So if the licensee wants their stuff left in situ until they can pick it up, blocking someone else taking the room, it is in no way unreasonable to ask about what people think should be done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Fol20


    JustLen wrote: »
    Put yourself in their shoes.

    They are not responsible for your mortgage payments.

    Maybe a middle ground would be to charge half the rent until they remove their stuff. In the meantime box up their stuff (after getting permission in a text) and advertise the room.

    If you can find someone else willing to pay full rent for the room then your at no loss.

    Like someone else said, what you are proposing to do is a p1ss take. You wouldn't be here asking for opinions if you were confident you were doing the right thing.

    I'm sure they will arrange to have there stiff gone within the next 3 months. You should apply for a 3 month mortgage break of you haven't already.

    Put yourself in the OP shoes, he is responsible for paying back his mortgage and has a room where he could get x amount but can’t as this guy has his stuff in the room. Why should the op have to box up other people’s stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Put yourself in the OP shoes, he is responsible for paying back his mortgage and has a room where he could get x amount but can’t as this guy has his stuff in the room. Why should the op have to box up other people’s stuff.

    Because there are government travel restrictions, and its beyond the renters control, and likley illegal to travel back to clear the room at this stage.

    The op has been given options to fix the situation.
    It's not ideal for anyone, but if you renting rooms in a house you have to expect to clean out rooms every now and then and especially in this exceptional situation.

    Contact the renter to let them know you boxing up their stuff and re advertise room.

    If the renter refuses this then yes keep charging all or part rent, if you come to an agreement.

    What else do you want the renter to do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Fol20


    Fair enough. If I was in that situation. I know I wouldn’t do that. A lot of people had time to foresee what was going to happen. I’m not talking back in January but would have been given plenty of opportunity of at least a few weeks to get his act in order. They didn’t so it’s on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭JustLen


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Fair enough. If I was in that situation. I know I wouldn’t do that. A lot of people had time to foresee what was going to happen. I’m not talking back in January but would have been given plenty of opportunity of at least a few weeks to get his act in order. They didn’t so it’s on them.

    Governments and multi national organisations didn't have the foresight.

    Like I said a middle ground might be charge half of the rent.

    Whats the alternative? If the licensee is stuck in their home country do you not think they might just stop paying the rent anyway? If they decide to stop paying the rent and arrive in 3 months for their stuff could the landlord refuse to hand it over?

    Taking a practical view in these situations is often the best way forward.

    I can put myself in the op's shoes very easily because I've been in a similar position. If they want to screw the tenant than work away but don't come on here looking for justification IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭JustLen


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Put yourself in the OP shoes, he is responsible for paying back his mortgage and has a room where he could get x amount but can’t as this guy has his stuff in the room. Why should the op have to box up other people’s stuff.

    I said already if they can get 'x' amount then go ahead and advertise the room. That would be the ideal outcome for the licensee as it would take away their obligation to pay rent.

    Storing a few items isn't a huge deal, how much stuff can be in a room.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Fol20


    JustLen wrote: »
    Governments and multi national organisations didn't have the foresight.

    Like I said a middle ground might be charge half of the rent.

    Whats the alternative? If the licensee is stuck in their home country do you not think they might just stop paying the rent anyway? If they decide to stop paying the rent and arrive in 3 months for their stuff could the landlord refuse to hand it over?

    Taking a practical view in these situations is often the best way forward.

    I can put myself in the op's shoes very easily because I've been in a similar position. If they want to screw the tenant than work away but don't come on here looking for justification IMO.

    A practical POV would be to only care about yourself here. If you can realistically find another willing person to pay. Then this ex tenant is costing you money so you should be paid fairly. If you think you can’t get x rent. Well then just let it be.

    More than likely he can find another person so he needs to continue to pay. If he can’t. That’s on the tenant. If you want to be nice. Box up his stuff. If I want to be nasty. If he isn’t paying for rent. I would dump his stuff as it’s no longer entitled to be in my house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    shipsey wrote: »
    I still have my mortgage repayments
    You can have your mortgage repayments paused for three months. Talk to your bank.
    Browney7 wrote: »
    I assume you own the property so it's a licensee arrangement?
    It sounds like the OP does not live in said house, as they refer to the tenant as a tenant, with the other tenants in a house share.

    OP; if they're tenants, you can't evict them for the next 3 months, even for non-payment of rent. Otherwise, expect a 5 figure fine, and the tenant getting put back in.


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    the_syco wrote: »
    You can have your mortgage repayments paused for three months. Talk to your bank.


    It sounds like the OP does not live in said house, as they refer to the tenant as a tenant, with the other tenants in a house share.

    OP; if they're tenants, you can't evict them for the next 3 months, even for non-payment of rent. Otherwise, expect a 5 figure fine, and the tenant getting put back in.

    It seems from the op that said tenant has given notice, so no eviction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    shipsey wrote: »
    Tenant gave me notice for the end of this month but looks like they won't be able to vacate the room cuase they are currently in another country ..living at home due to travelling restrictions with covid
    Dav010 wrote: »
    It seems from the op that said tenant has given notice, so no eviction.
    Seems they're not quite out of the apartment just yet.

    It's unclear in https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/images/uploads/Comms%20and%20Research/FAQs_on_Emergency_Legislation_Final.pdf but if they don't move the stuff out and vacate the property, I don't think the OP can evict them in their absence.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the_syco wrote: »
    Seems they're not quite out of the apartment just yet.

    It's unclear in https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/images/uploads/Comms%20and%20Research/FAQs_on_Emergency_Legislation_Final.pdf but if they don't move the stuff out and vacate the property, I don't think the OP can evict them in their absence.

    I don’t see anything to support that. If the tenant wants their stuff to stay and continue the rental, then of course the op would be entitled to be paid at the end of the tenancy for the full period. That is what the op is asking, should he charge for that period.

    It’s probable the tenant wants the best of both worlds, the stuff to stay until it can be picked up, but only pay rent up to end of notice period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 shipsey


    Thanks for all your replies. I appreciate everyone taking the time.
    I will definitely not be touching the tenants stuff . From the one time I was in the room it was jam packed and stuff everywhere
    I am not a big landlord I have one house which I rent when I moved in with my partner . Rent just covers mortgage
    I think I will tell them I will continue to charge by the week rather than the month till room is vacated


    I'm sure the other tenants would like the room occupied as bills spilt and can't rent out again cause room occupied with stuff
    I am trying to be fair here and am in on way taking the p*ss or take advantage as some people on here are trying to suggest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    shipsey wrote: »
    Thanks for all your replies. I appreciate everyone taking the time.
    I will definitely not be touching the tenants stuff . From the one time I was in the room it was jam packed and stuff everywhere
    I am not a big landlord I have one house which I rent when I moved in with my partner . Rent just covers mortgage
    I think I will tell them I will continue to charge by the week rather than the month till room is vacated


    I'm sure the other tenants would like the room occupied as bills spilt and can't rent out again cause room occupied with stuff
    I am trying to be fair here and am in on way taking the p*ss or take advantage as some people on here are trying to suggest

    But sure if they ain't there how would it be fair for them to be paying towards electric or gas for example.

    It's not ideal but honestly they can't get back and were nice enough to give you the heads up they would be leaving.

    Put it to them that the room is full and you have someone looking for the room.....see what they say but obviously if the items can't be moved then you have no choice but to look for rent for the period they are leaving everything.

    I would not be chasing for bills though and possibly a rent reduction for the time....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,538 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We are living in extraordinary times.

    You are still getting paid your state wage. If you are non essential, you are not actually having to earn it. If you are essential, you are exposing the household to risk every time you go to work.

    Stop being a wagon.

    Text your tenant, offering to box/bag his stuff yourself, and saying that no rent is required after the move-out date.

    Blinded by your public sector hatred. The tenant is the state employee, not the OP.

    Hundreds of people in my organisation including myself are doing a full week's work, but at home.

    Not actually having to earn it? Ignorant and bitter.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But sure if they ain't there how would it be fair for them to be paying towards electric or gas for example.

    It's not ideal but honestly they can't get back and were nice enough to give you the heads up they would be leaving.

    Put it to them that the room is full and you have someone looking for the room.....see what they say but obviously if the items can't be moved then you have no choice but to look for rent for the period they are leaving everything.

    I would not be chasing for bills though and possibly a rent reduction for the time....

    The same way it would be fair if you went away for a month, you would still be obligated to pay for utilities even though you are not there to use them.

    It’s not a case that they were nice enough to tell you they are leaving, if you are leaving, you are obligated to give notice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Dav010 wrote: »
    The same way it would be fair if you went away for a month, you would still be obligated to pay for utilities even though you are not there to use them.

    It’s not a case that they were nice enough to tell you they are leaving, if you are leaving, you are obligated to give notice.

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but the tennant is not planning to continue with the tenancy and room in future anymore?

    They have already told the OP of this, before getting stuck in their home country during the notice period?

    The only issue is that they now cannot get back to remove stuff. But they do want to move out and vacate the room?

    If this is the case, and the tennant agrees to have stuff boxed up, what more can the tennant do? (not possible or legal to travel back)

    Now if the tennant just wants a few months rent free and then to return again, that's a different story.

    The OP's refusal to even consider or ask about boxing up the stuff just gives an easy excuse to continue charging full rate and not deal with the situation.

    What comeback will the OP have if the tennant simple refuses to pay anymore again? Deposit?

    This is what the OP needs to consider, because if there's no comeback, they're just backing themselves into a corner and an eventually a loss, instead of engaging, during this exceptional circumstance?


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    ForestFire wrote: »
    Maybe I'm missing something here, but the tennant is not planning to continue with the tenancy and room in future anymore?

    They have already told the OP of this, before getting stuck in their home country during the notice period?

    The only issue is that they now cannot get back to remove stuff. But they do want to move out and vacate the room?

    If this is the case, and the tennant agrees to have stuff boxed up, what more can the tennant do? (not possible or legal to travel back)

    Now if the tennant just wants a few months rent free and then to return again, that's a different story.

    The OP's refusal to even consider or ask about boxing up the stuff just gives an easy excuse to continue charging full rate and not deal with the situation.

    What comeback will the OP have if the tennant simple refuses to pay anymore again? Deposit?

    This is what the OP needs to consider, because if there's no comeback, they're just backing themselves into a corner and an eventually a loss, instead of engaging, during this exceptional circumstance?

    Seems right, the only thing that you’ve omitted is that there is a lot of stuff in the room and the tenant has no one to remove it. So I’m not sure the onus should be to box it, nor indeed may there be space to store all the stuff. I agree with you, but the op is asking for advice on what to do if the tenant does not/cannot remove their stuff. Obviously the thing to do, if possible is to box and store, but if that can’t be done, what then? Personally I don’t feel this is problem that the op should suffer a financial loss for, it is the tenants belongings, and though the situation is beyond their control, the fact remains that they are still using a room in the property, albeit to store their belongings. I think the tenant should have offered to pay something for the extra time the stuff is there, and I can’t imagine the other tenants are thrilled about having to pay for utilities.


  • Moderators Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    shipsey wrote: »
    Hi boardies
    Looking for some advice.
    Tenant gave me notice for the end of this month but looks like they won't be able to vacate the room cuase they are currently in another country ..living at home due to travelling restrictions with covid
    Should I charge for next month, or by the week or not at all with the times we are in..
    I still have my mortgage repayments and can't rent it out cuase of thier stuff but maybe couldn't anyway at the moment.house in dub
    What do ye think appreciate other people's views
    Thanks

    IMO under normal circumstances if the tenant doesn't leave the room, they're blocking you from moving someone else in/claiming rent off someone else.

    In the current circumstances, even if the tenant were to leave, you'd not be able to re let the room. Charging the tenant in the mean time is greedy IMO.

    Once the restrictions are lifted, start charging them per diem. To me, that's the fairest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Dav010 wrote: »
    I think the tenant should have offered to pay something for the extra time the stuff is there, and I can’t imagine the other tenants are thrilled about having to pay for utilities.

    Maybe, but op has said more than once he still wants to charge full rent and this is not screwing the Tennant...

    ... and what can the OP do if Tennant just stops, do they have anyway to get anything back, if not he will lose out in the long run, instead of sorting something out and possible renting room again.

    Also other tenants would have to pay bills anyway when he moved out, if no one moved in immediately, that's always a risk to some degree.

    Okay here's another option, is there any companies you can hire, to box up the stuff and clean room? Cleaning companies, moving companies etc.

    How much would this cost for one room?
    Stuff could be stored in attic, or in storage unit and costs to be agreed with Tennant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Dav010 wrote: »
    The same way it would be fair if you went away for a month, you would still be obligated to pay for utilities even though you are not there to use them.

    It’s not a case that they were nice enough to tell you they are leaving, if you are leaving, you are obligated to give notice.

    Not totally the same as if the home owner has you in they can turf you out without notice, obviously at the moment this is on hold but a licencee has no rights


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    shipsey wrote: »
    Thanks for all your replies. I appreciate everyone taking the time.
    I will definitely not be touching the tenants stuff . From the one time I was in the room it was jam packed and stuff everywhere
    I am not a big landlord I have one house which I rent when I moved in with my partner . Rent just covers mortgage
    I think I will tell them I will continue to charge by the week rather than the month till room is vacated


    I'm sure the other tenants would like the room occupied as bills spilt and can't rent out again cause room occupied with stuff
    I am trying to be fair here and am in on way taking the p*ss or take advantage as some people on here are trying to suggest

    What happens now if the tenant just gives you the two fingers and stops paying the rent ?
    You'll end up having to clear it out anyway.

    Best to do it now and be done with it to give yourself a chance to rent the room out again ASAP.
    Let the other tenants know as well and chances are they might know somebody looking to come in and rent or possible even advertise it in their workplaces for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    The room is occupied, rent is due. It's not the owner's fault that the lodger can't get back to Ireland. I don't see why you should be out of pocket OP. I also agree that you should not touch their stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    If they cant move they cant move. I would not be charging them extra for living there when they arent.
    What you could do is get their agreement to pay someone to come in and box up their stuff from a moving company who will then bring it to storage for them. They will also offer them insurance against damage if they want to take that out.
    You have your room back and can now start earning from it again, and their stuff is safe and waiting for them when they want to collect it.

    That how is works in the US.
    Now you may have a problem at the moment getting a packer and storage facility due to restrictions, or you may not. You'll have to find out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    How do you plan on getting them to pay and what actions are you willing to take to enforce your landlord rights OP? The tenant isn't going to pay to you


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    JimmyVik wrote: »
    If they cant move they cant move. I would not be charging them extra for living there when they arent.
    What you could do is get their agreement to pay someone to come in and box up their stuff from a moving company who will then bring it to storage for them. They will also offer them insurance against damage if they want to take that out.
    You have your room back and can now start earning from it again, and their stuff is safe and waiting for them when they want to collect it.

    That how is works in the US.
    Now you may have a problem at the moment getting a packer and storage facility due to restrictions, or you may not. You'll have to find out.

    That’s very generous of you not to charge. But the op has a mortgage to pay.

    Are you saying the tenant should organise someone to box and store? (I’m sure the op would be very happy with that, but the tenant might refuse), or surely you are not suggesting the op pay for it with tenant’s agreement, what if it is left there for months?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    If it happened that the room was cleaned out, can someone move in while this is going on? If so, would the other tenants be comfortable with someone moving with a potentially life threatening virus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Noddy33


    Was in a similar situation as our OP where I had a tenant that due to Covid virus was temporarily laid off. Tenant took decision understandably to return to home place during lockdown to be with family. Come end of March i message tenant to say that given the unforseen circumstances that I would compromise and only charge half rent price for April along with since she would be living at home for the month I would not charge her any for of the normal monthly bills (ie electricity, Gas and Wifi etc).

    As everything was a complete unknown as to when all this would end she decided give me her notice(2 days notice I may add) and vacate the room. She then asked would i be returning her deposit and i decided to take decision not to give deposit back to her. I explained to her from my circumstance she no effectively given no notice of vacating room, I believe I made a very reasonable offer of rent for April and bills while also I only take a halve months rent cost as deposit from tenants so told her that was my thoughts on it and that she could ring me if she wanted to discuss further. She didnt challenge me further and i did think was i being fair but......... in wider context there has to be some level of compromise here from both the tenant and landlord


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    I have / had a guy renting a room of me. His job site is on hold. It just so happened it was shut down when he went on holidays home for 2 weeks. He contacted me and has no idea if he will get his job back or whats going on. He was planning to seek citizenship in Ireland with family so his world totally turned upside down as he thought that job was the start of a new life here and was thrilled.. His car is outside, his room is full of his belongings. I have froze his rent as the chap has no job and I will leave his stuff in situ in room until / If / when i need to re-rent it. His stuffs not really in my way as im not renting room during this pandemic so its not really any skin off my nose. If he doesnt come at that stage where things go back to normal and I need the room ill box his belongings up if he wants to have courier collect it. Its a crazy time for all and hes been a decent chap. He has already offered for me to hang onto deposit if he is not able to come back. Ill help him sell his car if need be. It sucks for us all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Dav010 wrote: »
    That’s very generous of you not to charge. But the op has a mortgage to pay.

    Are you saying the tenant should organise someone to box and store? (I’m sure the op would be very happy with that, but the tenant might refuse), or surely you are not suggesting the op pay for it with tenant’s agreement, what if it is left there for months?


    I am suggesting tenat calls storage companies and arranges and pays for it. Its their stuff after all and they are no longer tenants.



    If the tenant refuses throw it out. You made the offer. Up to them to take it or leave it Its up to the tenant to mind their own stuff. They cant not pay what they owe and let the person they are not paying it to mind their stuff too.


    I think it would be a fair offer.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Usual times, unusual situations.

    How much a deposit do you have?

    Advise him that you are taking a 3 month position on this in line with the 3 month mortgage break you can get from the bank and that you will review the situation after that. Even if the room was empty at the moment, the likelihood of being able to rent it is slim.

    If the situation continues after that advise him that you can allow him to leave things for one further month subject you you retaining his deposit.

    After 5 months, if he cannot make alternative arrangements, let him you have no choice but to box off the items and get rid of them. That is more than generous.

    While you will be down the 3 months rent, you would be in the same position if he had cleared the room and no worse off. Not ideal, but what is the alternative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭dubrov


    OP, just tell the tenant you are arranging for someone to come and box up their stuff and store it.
    Just use the deposit to cover the cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭Ideo


    dubrov wrote: »
    OP, just tell the tenant you are arranging for someone to come and box up their stuff and store it.
    Just use the deposit to cover the cost.

    This is reasonable. You can keep some of the deposit to cover some of rent and the rest to box the possessions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,439 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    dubrov wrote: »
    OP, just tell the tenant you are arranging for someone to come and box up their stuff and store it.
    Just use the deposit to cover the cost.

    Who's going to volunteer to do that?
    That's not an essential journey for someone to make and how could you ask someone to go into a house where 2 other tenants are?

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭jim-mcdee


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Even if they are not physically in the room. They are still using it when their stuff is there.

    It’s like a tenant asking to pay 50pc rent if they go on holidays for 2 weeks

    I wouldn’t touch the tenants stuff as they could claim you damaged or stole something.

    Tell the tenant. You will charge him until all of his stuff is out of your house.

    If they want to move on but can't because of the restrictions I think it would be wrong to charge them and possibly not legal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Well they have to live somewhere, they have their motive to move out and move In elsewhere, they can’t move in elsewhere so their new landlord should take the hit, not the one providing the room for them and their stuff.

    So yes charge them, their new landlord shouldn’t

    Also when did they travel ? People knew about restrictions for a while. Their gamble / bad decision to travel shouldn’t be on you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Who's going to volunteer to do that? That's not an essential journey for someone to make and how could you ask someone to go into a house where 2 other tenants are?

    No need for a volunteer. One of the other tenants might do it for a fee.

    Otherwise, the OP will have to wait until the restrictions are lifted enough to get a third party in to do it. I guess it would be fair to charge rent up until that date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    OP could you come to an agreement to charge for storage while they're not there? Do you still have their deposit? If so consider holding on to that if necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    If you are going to move the stuff to a self-storage unit, bear in mind that almost all of those companies insist on a credit card when you drop off, and will debit ongoing costs to that card until the stuff is collected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 jawacz


    Posted this in the "Covid Restrictions of Movement" but got no response so moderators please delete there.

    Hi, I have two people in my home on the "Rent a Room" scheme. One person who has been here a year, continuing to work Monday to Friday is a non-national and has no family in Ireland, came back two days ago with her regular boyfriend who often stays overnight. I understand that he lives more than 2km away, I spoke to her as they got out of the car and explained that she should not socialise with anybody outside her household and that he should not be here, they left and she returned alone a few hours later.

    Yesterday she went out in her car and has stayed out overnight.

    There are three others living here and apart from her we are complying with the restrictions of movement. I would prefer not to have her staying here any longer, Should I just tell her to get accommodation elsewhere & how much time should I allow prior to moving out?

    Yes, the rent is very welcome particularly as I am on the Government Covid 19 subsidy but our health and that of the rest of the country is priority.


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