Garda losses her job after failing bleep test. How tough is it?

deadlybuzzman

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So basically it's as the title says. She passed it in templemore and but failed it before becoming a fully fledged guard. The article says they get multiple attempts to pass it too.

The required score for a female in 7.6 for someone between 18-25 and 6.6 for someone 26-35. Does anyone have any experience of how tough that is?

Rodin

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

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So basically it's as the title says. She passed it in templemore and but failed it before becoming a fully fledged guard. The article says they get multiple attempts to pass it too.

The required score for a female in 7.6 for someone between 18-25 and 6.6 for someone 26-35. Does anyone have any experience of how tough that is?

Running between 11 and 12kmh for just over a minute.
They already make it easier for women by having lower standards. They also get to do the press-ups on their knees.

Should be one standard for all. No wonder nobody takes female gardai seriously.

Looking at the picture of the garda in question, she's clearly well overweight.

Rodin

But no more than trying to deport refugee children who have been here for years and have built up social ties... she should never have been allowed to get 10 years in if she wasn't fit enough.

Make the decision early.

Homelander

She's clearly a fair bit overweight from photos and you do get a few attempts to pass it. I don't think it's as unfair as is being made out - she really had ample opportunity to get in shape but didn't.

Obviously it's not very nice for her, but she's not being unfairly treated. It's hardly shocking that Gardai should be in decent physical shape with decent fitness levels. The bleep test isn't exactly seeking out superhuman athletes.

deadlybuzzman

Homelander wrote: »

She's clearly a fair bit overweight from photos and you do get a few attempts to pass it. I don't think it's as unfair as is being made out - she really had ample opportunity to get in shape but didn't.

Obviously it's not very nice for her, but she's not being unfairly treated. It's hardly shocking that Gardai should be in decent physical shape with decent fitness levels. The bleep test isn't exactly seeking out superhuman athletes.

Yeah I was amazed about how her dad moaned about it on the radio. Does he really think for a moderately fit criminal to get away from a cop purely because the cops out of shape?
Not only that but she didn't didn't even maintain fitness long enough to become a full cop.
As a reference what would be an expected beep test score for a ladies GAA club team or county team?

Jimbob1977

Could she not just stay in the office and perform administrative duties?

noodler

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Could she not just stay in the office and perform administrative duties?

We have way too many members of AGS doing this already.

All of the force out and about should be expected to maintain a certain level of fitness. Loads of them are in shocking physical condition.

Plumbthedepths

I did the test with my son when he was training for the fitness test. You can get it on YouTube. He passed the test and is a Garda. I was able to carry on further than him when we do it and I was 46 at the time.

fatbhoy

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

Yeah I was amazed about how her dad moaned about it on the radio. Does he really think for a moderately fit criminal to get away from a cop purely because the cops out of shape?
Not only that but she didn't didn't even maintain fitness long enough to become a full cop.
As a reference what would be an expected beep test score for a ladies GAA club team or county team?

I found it shocking that Newstalk and Pat Kenny entertained the story at all, and even more so, the amount of sympathy afforded it by Pat Kenny.

Plumbthedepths

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Could she not just stay in the office and perform administrative duties?

What use is she, better to employ a clerical officer and hire another Garda who is fit to serve the community

Dorakman

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

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So basically it's as the title says. She passed it in templemore and but failed it before becoming a fully fledged guard. The article says they get multiple attempts to pass it too.

The required score for a female in 7.6 for someone between 18-25 and 6.6 for someone 26-35. Does anyone have any experience of how tough that is?

7.6 for a woman is average. So I’m guessing this one is a right porker.

CalamariFritti

Where do ye all get that 'pictures of the guard in question' from? The pic in the article is clearly a stock photo, no?

CalamariFritti

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Where do ye all get that 'pictures of the guard in question' from? The pic in the article is clearly a stock photo, no?

Twiiter........

Dorakman

Augeo wrote: »

Twiiter........

Hefty enough now.

deadlybuzzman

There is another picture floating about and she looks bigger again in it

Chalk McHugh

Augeo wrote: »

Twiiter........

I'd say about a deuce. Deuce and a half?

Gerry T

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

Yeah I was amazed about how her dad moaned about it on the radio. Does he really think for a moderately fit criminal to get away from a cop purely because the cops out of shape?
Not only that but she didn't didn't even maintain fitness long enough to become a full cop.
As a reference what would be an expected beep test score for a ladies GAA club team or county team?

My son plays soccer, did the beep test in school 2yr (then 16) ago when he was just back from a long term (12mth) injury and he got 11. I would think GAA players are fitter and Women playing at county level would score higher.

splinter65

If you don’t meet the criteria then you don’t meet it. If you let her carry on then you’ll have other candidates saying “ I failed a written exam 3 times but I’m a very good Garda it’s just that I’m not very clever and I would have trouble with dealing with a complicated situation and I’ll have difficulty taking a statement or filing a report but someone else can do that for me because I’ll be very good at jumping over walls and chasing scrotes through gardens and down back alleys”.

Chalk McHugh

Sacking is a bit harsh for this no? How bout a quarter pay for a couple of months and she do a garda boot camp and once she loses a bit of deli belly ramp her back up to full pay.

SSr0

I read that she had served for 10 years? So she had 8 years to do it, after she failed it at the end of her 2 year probation?

Yeah, she's had years to pass this and for whatever reason hasn't succeeded. I've no doubt it's not easy but it's doable, no doubt.

Most of the force would fail it on any given day but they'd have (most of them) passed it when they needed to, I can see her point to a degree as she's likely working with folk that aren't any fitter then her.

Chalk McHugh

Augeo wrote: »

Yeah, she's had years to pass this and for whatever reason hasn't succeeded. I've no doubt it's not easy but it's doable, no doubt.

Most of the force would fail it on any given day but they'd have (most of them) passed it when they needed to, I can see her point to a degree as she's likely working with folk that aren't any fitter then her.

Could be more to it. Maybe she was poor at her job and the garda were just waiting for any reason to offload some dead weight (pardon the pun).

Banana Republic.

Rodin wrote: »

Running between 11 and 12kmh for just over a minute.
They already make it easier for women by having lower standards. They also get to do the press-ups on their knees.

Should be one standard for all. No wonder nobody takes female gardai seriously.

Looking at the picture of the garda in question, she's clearly well overweight.

If you watched Inside The K you’ll see that they take female Gardaí seriously, I’ve met a few in my time and you take them serious as a Guard and not their gender. You’d be foolish not to take them serious.

The point though is they should be in good shape and be physically fit for purpose.

Banana Republic.

Dorakman wrote: »

Hefty enough now.

Jesus lads I’ve seen Gardaí twice her size at least, I wouldn’t say she’s hefty, take off all the stuff she’s wearing and she be a lot slimmer. In this day and age they’re dealing with alot of younger criminals so they need to be able to give chase and catch these criminals but after 10 years of service that’s very harsh. Something is off there with that now.

Plumbthedepths

You don't get away with being overweight in the military, i don't see why anyone would believe a physically demanding job such as a Garda should be different.

Akabusi

I wouldn't feel sorry for her, that is life. You meet the standard or you're not in. As has been said she had ample time to get herself in decent shape to pass the test.

Rodin

Banana Republic. wrote: »

If you watched Inside The K you’ll see that they take female Gardaí seriously, I’ve met a few in my time and you take them serious as a Guard and not their gender. You’d be foolish not to take them serious.

The point though is they should be in good shape and be physically fit for purpose.

But don't need to be in as good a shape as a man.
All gardai should have to pass the same standard.

Chalk McHugh

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Jesus lads I’ve seen Gardaí twice her size at least, I wouldn’t say she’s hefty, take off all the stuff she’s wearing and she be a lot slimmer. In this day and age they’re dealing with alot of younger criminals so they need to be able to give chase and catch these criminals but after 10 years of service that’s very harsh. Something is off there with that now.

I doubt too many fit female garda have ever caught young lads in a chase.

eastie17

Theres a standard, you have to adhere to that standard.
With 10 years invested in her I cant imagine they wanted to get rid of her so I imagine she was given every opportunity.
I served in a foreign police force, we had to do a PT every year and you had to pass it to remain "on the job". Do AGS not do one every year?

Rodin

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Jesus lads I’ve seen Gardaí twice her size at least, I wouldn’t say she’s hefty, take off all the stuff she’s wearing and she be a lot slimmer. In this day and age they’re dealing with alot of younger criminals so they need to be able to give chase and catch these criminals but after 10 years of service that’s very harsh. Something is off there with that now.

I don't think she's wearing anything to make her thighs bigger.
They're bigger than most men's.

Banana Republic.

Rodin wrote: »

But don't need to be in as good a shape as a man.
All gardai should have to pass the same standard.

I’m not sure but I think there is differences in the genes that legally is has to be lower for women. Be worth finding out.

Banana Republic.

Rodin wrote: »

I don't think she's wearing anything to make her thighs bigger.
They're bigger than most men's.

I can’t argue that haha

NaiveMelodies

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

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So basically it's as the title says. She passed it in templemore and but failed it before becoming a fully fledged guard. The article says they get multiple attempts to pass it too.

The required score for a female in 7.6 for someone between 18-25 and 6.6 for someone 26-35. Does anyone have any experience of how tough that is?

That's an extremely generous level for someone who needs to be fit to carry out their job.

Chalk McHugh

Rodin wrote: »

I don't think she's wearing anything to make her thighs bigger.
They're bigger than most men's.

Mike Tyson had big thighs. You can be extremely fit with big thighs. The girl is just overweight and very unfit.

Fann Linn

When they're finished with the fat gardai they might start then with some of those in the Prison Service.

Banana Republic.

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I doubt too many fit female garda have ever caught young lads in a chase.

If you can’t pass that bleep test the only thing your catching is a cold but I get your point, in the same breath they have to be able to chase a criminal for long enough to get back up. I’d have loved to pit myself against them, then again don’t we all find extra acceleration when the Gardaí are in pursuit

Rodin

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Mike Tyson had big thighs. You can be extremely fit with big thighs. The girl is just overweight and very unfit.

Tyson's thighs were muscular.
Yer one's are most certainly not.

I'd say I could give her a 50m head start in a 100m sprint and catch her.

The real scandal is that she was allowed to serve 10 years. Shouldnt have been allowed to graduate.

LollipopJimmy

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

That's an extremely generous level for someone who needs to be fit to carry out their job.

Yep, not able to pass that would put you out of breath walking up a couple of flights of stairs

Chalk McHugh

Rodin wrote: »

Tyson's thighs were muscular.
Yer one's are most certainly not.

I'd say I could give her a 50m head start in a 100m sprint and catch her.

The real scandal is that she was allowed to serve 10 years. Shouldnt have been allowed to graduate.

Yea i here ya but i didnt even realise garda had to do yearly fitness tests. Im surprised many other garda haven't failed it if thats the case and shes the first ive ever heard of.

To be honest theres too many female garda out on the beat. What use are they if there's a row? And they just cant physically deal with most men. Maybe the odd feeble skinny junky but 99% men would laugh at a female trying to run after them or restrain them. So surely this woman could be used in another area?

Rodin

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Yea i here ya but i didnt even realise garda had to do yearly fitness tests. Im surprised many other garda haven't failed it if thats the case and shes the first ive ever heard of.

To be honest theres too many female garda out on the beat. What use are they if there's a row? And they just cant physically deal with most men. Maybe the odd feeble skinny junky but 99% men would laugh at a female trying to run after them or restrain them. So surely this woman could be used in another area?

Sure when they make a lower standard for them to get in this is what happens.

All part of the larger gender agenda.

Chalk McHugh

Rodin wrote: »

Sure when they make a lower standard for them to get in this is what happens.

All part of the larger gender agenda.

Can she not do filing or office work or some other stuff? Mabe drive the squad car. Whether she lost a stone or two now anyway what difference does it make. Walking the streets is not really a job for female garda in my opinion. Far too many out there. The streets should be for 99% male garda.

timsey tiger

I'd def run 2km no bother at 12km/h, but the turning must up the level considerably over running in a straight line, I'm def. no athlete. I feel sorry for her, they should have had her out years ago, when it would have been easier for her change direction career wise. They've done her no favours by stringing her along for 8 or so years. If you are going to fail, fail early.

Banana Republic.

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Can she not do filing or office work or some other stuff? Mabe drive the squad car. Whether she lost a stone or two now anyway what difference does it make. Walking the streets is not really a job for female garda in my opinion. Far too many out there. The streets should be for 99% male garda.

I’ll disagree on that one, it’s not all physical work, a situation can be brought under control with the voice of reason, a good negotiator and levels of intelligence, a high percentage of people Gardaí come across pose no threat at all. Even when you watch The K you can see the skills they possess.

Rodin

Banana Republic. wrote: »

I’ll disagree on that one, it’s not all physical work, a situation can be brought under control with the voice of reason, a good negotiator and levels of intelligence, a high percentage of people Gardaí come across pose no threat at all. Even when you watch The K you can see the skills they possess.

But the physicality must be present should diplomacy fail.

PCeeeee

Banana Republic. wrote: »

If you can’t pass that bleep test the only thing your catching is a cold but I get your point, in the same breath they have to be able to chase a criminal for long enough to get back up. I’d have loved to pit myself against them, then again don’t we all find extra acceleration when the Gardaí are in pursuit

It isn't all about catching someone though. If you are not aerobically fit then you are much less likely be able to defend yourself from a a determined attacker.

You are a danger to yourself and worse to your colleagues.

She wasn't sacked because she was unfit. She was sacked because she refused to get fit.

deadlybuzzman

timsey tiger wrote: »

I feel sorry for her, they should have had her out years ago, when it would have been easier for her change direction career wise. They've done her no favours by stringing her along for 8 or so years. If you are going to fail, fail early.

She was only a garda reserve for most of that time and was a proper guard in training the last aprox 2 years. Here's the thing though, she knew the level she had to be up to and theyre allowed multiple tests if they fail and she still failed.
I really don't see how she has any cause for complaint

Chalk McHugh

Dublins most famous on the beat garda was called Lugs Brannigan not Jugs Brannigan. And proper order. The streets are for male coppers. Thats my take on it anyway.

Plumbthedepths

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Can she not do filing or office work or some other stuff? Mabe drive the squad car. Whether she lost a stone or two now anyway what difference does it make. Walking the streets is not really a job for female garda in my opinion. Far too many out there. The streets should be for 99% male garda.

Equal pay equal duties.

TheAnalyst_

Vast, vast majority of police work requires no physicality or fitness. Everyone does their time on the beat and yes sometimes women get into bad situations because of size etc. Still valuable to have them in the police force for a 30+ year career.
In general there is a culture of extreme fitness. Not with all of them and not for their whole career but there are some serious athlethes in all police forces.

Chalk McHugh

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Vast, vast majority of police work requires no physicality or fitness. Everyone does their time on the beat and yes sometimes women get into bad situations because of size etc. Still valuable to have them in the police force.

Thats the way i see it. So why is she getting the bullet? How is she the first copper to fail this fitness test?