Spain in July

SweetCaliber

Hi all,

Group of us supposed to be travelling to Ibiza the start of July.

Should we start thinking about abandoning the trip? Cant imagine Spain will be in a good state the start of July or if travel will even be allowed.

We have to pay the balance in 2 weeks so just want peoples projections of the chance of everything being back to somewhat normal in Spain/Ireland by 1st July?

Thanks guys! Hope ye are all staying safe.

c montgomery

We're booked on for France on July 1st for 2 weeks.
Would be very surprised if if goes ahead

In honesty I think we'll be camping in the back garden at this stage

Chalk McHugh

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Hi all,

Group of us supposed to be travelling to Ibiza the start of July.

Should we start thinking about abandoning the trip? Cant imagine Spain will be in a good state the start of July or if travel will even be allowed.

We have to pay the balance in 2 weeks so just want peoples projections of the chance of everything being back to somewhat normal in Spain/Ireland by 1st July?

Thanks guys! Hope ye are all staying safe.

Why risk it? Spain is in a bad way. We are only at the start of it here in Ireland. I would forget about it for this year.

august12

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Why risk it? Spain is in a bad way. We are only at the stsrt of it here in Ireland. I would forget about it for this year.

Would agree with this poster, can't see how you would enjoy a holiday anywhere this summer.

august12

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Why risk it? Spain is in a bad way. We are only at the stsrt of it here in Ireland. I would forget about it for this year.

Would agree with this poster, can't see how you would enjoy a holiday anywhere this summer.

smelly sock

Lads,
Any views on Lanzarote in July? Not really bothered at this stage tbh but Villa has to be paid for in full in May. 2500 so really want to avoid losing hat Money.

Will probably lose flights with Ryanair but what can ye do.

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smelly sock wrote: »

Lads,
Any views on Lanzarote in July? Not really bothered at this stage tbh but Villa has to be paid for in full in May. 2500 so really want to avoid losing hat Money.

Will probably lose flights with Ryanair but what can ye do.

Forget about holiday this year.

_Brian

We’re booked to Italy in July and even if travel restrictions are lifted we won’t travel. Cancelled the Airbnb last week.

There is a risk that even when things clear up any of these hot spots could see a sudden resurgence of the virus and I’m Not taking that risk.

lawred2

smelly sock wrote: »

Lads,
Any views on Lanzarote in July? Not really bothered at this stage tbh but Villa has to be paid for in full in May. 2500 so really want to avoid losing hat Money.

Will probably lose flights with Ryanair but what can ye do.

It's done

smelly sock

Thanks all had assumed as much. Hopefully Ryan air will either cancel flights or let us transfer them for a few. Will keep you updated.

Gonzo

I booked a two week holiday with Budget Travel to Spain mid July, everything was paid in full early January. I am really hoping they will issue a full refund when the time comes as I do not in any way feel safe about travelling to Spain this summer. Even if everything is clear in August, I wouldn't feel safe moving the holiday to September and after that there isn't much point with poorer weather and colder temperatures.

I had a look at budget travel's website and they are mainly dealing with customers who are stuck abroad with no flights home. They also mention that possible refunds or change of time may happen to holidays over the next few weeks, they say refunds could take 12 to 16 weeks!

If I was to change times, I would change it to next summer at this stage.

dartboardio

Keep paying balance, don't cancel anything or you won't get a refund.

Keep the assumption that it'll go ahead, so you're covered if the company are forced to cancel.

I'd say you will be fine to go in July. Fingers crossed.

smelly sock

dartboardio wrote: »

Keep paying balance, don't cancel anything or you won't get a refund.

Keep the assumption that it'll go ahead, so you're covered if the company are forced to cancel.

I'd say you will be fine to go in July. Fingers crossed.

Cant see how we will be good to go in July. Maybe flights will go and hotels villas etc will take bookings and be open but to hell with that. Way to risky with how Spain handled this whole thing tbh. Cant see many responsible people going to spain or their islands this summer.

billyhead

I have a trip booked to Galicia in September and expect to travel. Will be staying in guest houses.

smelly sock

billyhead wrote: »

I have a trip booked to Galicia in September and expect to travel. Will be staying in guest houses.

The best part of 5.5 months away to be fair. Im pretty certain if i pay the 2.5k for the villa there is no getting it back unless the villa owner cancels.

Murt10

One things for certain, there's going to be an awful lot of water under the bridge between now and July and things will be completely different.

People in Spain are in total lock-down at the moment. They're going to be crying out for people to visit their country and to take advantage of their sunshine and hospitality. Just sit it out and see what comes of it.

Pay by credit card and if the company cannot deliver what they promised, you can get your money back.

Irish people are isolating, worried, tired and stressed at the moment. Imagine how they'll feel by July and after that, they'll really need a holiday by then. Something to look forward to. The light at the end of the tunnel.

Padraig Mor

Somewhat similar boat here. We're due to go to Castell Montgri campsite near Barcelona last few days of June for two weeks. Flights from Stansted to Girona are booked for ages (but not Ireland - Stansted flights yet). Ryanair emailed yesterday to say our return flight time has changed by >2 hours so we are entitled to a full refund so we can now get our money back even if they still run the flights. €100 deposit with Eurocamp for campsite. Normally we would have had to pay the balance (~€1500) of the campsite next week but Eurocamp have pushed that back to mid May given the circumstances. I would expect that we won't be going anywhere but we'll see the lie of the land in six weeks and make a call then.

Jesus people are grim.

If this is still going in July we will be in apocolypse territory at which stage I will be putting all my money in guns and canned food

smelly sock

smelly sock wrote: »

Cant see how we will be good to go in July. Maybe flights will go and hotels villas etc will take bookings and be open but to hell with that. Way to risky with how Spain handled this whole thing tbh. Cant see many responsible people going to spain or their islands this summer.

Do tell, how did they handle it compared to Ireland?

smelly sock

What's your issue?

The amount of cases they have, coupled with the death rates and the fact that the elderly are being abandoned in care homes suggest they have made a pretty poor attempt of getting things under control .

billyhead

I reckon flights etc will open up mid summer with precautions in place at airports.

belfe

Even assuming that Spain is free of coronavirus by July 1st (I hope so, the quarantine caught me in Spain and I don't know if I can keep the quarantine for two more months), I'd avoid overcrowded areas with people arriving from everywhere for a long while, and Ibiza is probably the best example of these type of places. According to some scientifics, next year a vaccine may be ready, That will be the best moment for returning to the normal life.

_Brian

I won’t travel until there is a vaccine and proper antivirals to treat this.

There could be a pocket outbreak anywhere and I don’t fancy being caught abroad if there were.

dartboardio

Literally nobody knows how this will pan out.

We could easily be out of this by may/june, and likewise Spain. Or the opposite way around.

Take a look at China, they are coming out of a 2 month full lockdown, Spain and Italy are probably at its peak right now in terms of people dying/cases..

Holidays/Countries could be normal by the time July comes around, literally no one knows..

I have my holiday booked for Spain and I'm sure they're gonna need the extra tourists/money by the time they do come out of lockdown.

km79

We have a family holiday mid June in lanzarote
Not a notion of going
If flights aren’t cancelled I’ll take the hit
Or reschedule for 2021

smelly sock

smelly sock wrote: »

What's your issue?

The amount of cases they have, coupled with the death rates and the fact that the elderly are being abandoned in care homes suggest they have made a pretty poor attempt of getting things under control .

They also have a population ten times ours and significantly older to boot. Hell, Madrid has 150% our entire population with increased density. Add in Madrid being a centralised travel hub and it's earlier importation of the virus.

The story of the care home could just as easily be here, Criminal negligence by the staff not the authorities. You think old people don't die in care homes here? They see old and in the homes for a reason.


They are and have implemented strict protocols and unlike here, they are enforced by the police who actually have legal powers to do so.They are using the military as well, a significant boost in numbers.

And my issue is people making general comments without looking at all aspects. Spain was always going to be hit harder not just in raw numbers but in percentages as well.

So again, how did they deal with it and what did they do wrong compared to Ireland? I hope your right by the way because if we get hit as hard we have fewer police, fewer military and fewer hospitals oer head of population than Spain, considered in the top health services globally.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

I won’t travel until there is a vaccine and proper antivirals to treat this.

There could be a pocket outbreak anywhere and I don’t fancy being caught abroad if there were.

There's diseases all over the world that you can get while traveling. There's diseases you can get in Ireland.

Did you avoid Spain before because of tiger mosquito or rabies? Jeez, you can get hep A from the food!

Don't be so silly.

smelly sock

dartboardio wrote: »

Literally nobody knows how this will pan out.

We could easily be out of this by may/june, and likewise Spain. Or the opposite way around.

Take a look at China, they are coming out of a 2 month full lockdown, Spain and Italy are probably at its peak right now in terms of people dying/cases..

Holidays/Countries could be normal by the time July comes around, literally no one knows..

I have my holiday booked for Spain and I'm sure they're gonna need the extra tourists/money by the time they do come out of lockdown.

Well the chinese figures are questionable to be honest. We will probably be out of this in July. But its not a risk that any of us need to take. Cases will still be happening without a vaccine.

beggars_bush

would you be willing to bring back the virus to your family or friends?

billyhead

You can't put your life on complete lockdown until a vaccine is found. If Aer Lingus are flying to my destination in September and there are no restrictions I will go on my trip and try to take all precautions i.e the social distancing, washing hands etc. Life is for living.

ninebeanrows

I'd say by late May restrictions will be relaxed. June some tentative steps to flying. July a gradual uptick and into August some slight normality.

Just going to have to be extra cautious but I'd say August onwards I'd be hopeful

Mrcaramelchoc

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

There's diseases all over the world that you can get while traveling. There's diseases you can get in Ireland.

Did you avoid Spain before because of tiger mosquito or rabies? Jeez, you can get hep A from the food!

Don't be so silly.

Are you One of the people that said ah sure its grand its only happening in China.

Planning a holiday anywhere this year is madness.

Damiencm

billyhead wrote:

You can't put your life on complete lockdown until a vaccine is found. If Aer Lingus are flying to my destination in September and there are no restrictions I will go on my trip and try to take all precautions i.e the social distancing, washing hands etc. Life is for living.

+1

Anyone travelling June I would say approach the trip with extreme caution. From July onwards I totally agree with the above poster.

Go on your holiday and take the precautions that we are now all getting used to such as social distancing etc.

I know the holiday may not be the same as past experiences but I for one need the sunshine!!

Mr Velo

Due to fly to Lanzarote on June 26th, Aer Lingus (flights already paid). Accomodation not due to be paid until 2 weeks in advance. Not reaching out yet - but i believe Aer Lingus offer changes to flights? Certainly don't think we're going to be going in June now regardless

Mrcaramelchoc

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Are you One of the people that said ah sure its grand its only happening in China.

Planning a holiday anywhere this year is madness.

No, I'm a guy that apparently knows what the world is really like.

Again I ask if you avoid all countries because they have diseases you could get?

jlm29

smelly sock wrote: »

Lads,
Any views on Lanzarote in July? Not really bothered at this stage tbh but Villa has to be paid for in full in May. 2500 so really want to avoid losing hat Money.

Will probably lose flights with Ryanair but what can ye do.

I wouldn’t give anyone any more money, for accommodation. If July rolls around and you’re happy to travel (I wouldn’t personally, but nobody knows what will be going on), you’ll find alternative accommodation without too much trouble id imagine.

lainey_d_123

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Are you One of the people that said ah sure its grand its only happening in China.

Planning a holiday anywhere this year is madness.

We will reach a point where the consequences of total economic collapse will be worse than the consequences of the virus. There is absolutely no way that the entire world will shut down until a vaccine is found. You think this is bad? Wait until there's civil unrest and you can't walk outside your front door without being mugged at knifepoint and far worse.

There is only so long governments can pay people who have been laid off and there is only so long people are going to obey these strict measures. After that, things will have to start picking up again. Exactly when, we'll have to wait and see, but I expect business travel to pick up first, and then there will be plenty of those who aren't too worried and would rather get a holiday than stay at home.

Deub

Murt10 wrote: »

Pay by credit card and if the company cannot deliver what they promised, you can get your money back.

I thought you couldn’t do this and could only dispute the charge if it was taken without your consent.

listermint

dartboardio wrote: »

Literally nobody knows how this will pan out.

We could easily be out of this by may/june, and likewise Spain. Or the opposite way around.

Take a look at China, they are coming out of a 2 month full lockdown, Spain and Italy are probably at its peak right now in terms of people dying/cases..

Holidays/Countries could be normal by the time July comes around, literally no one knows..

I have my holiday booked for Spain and I'm sure they're gonna need the extra tourists/money by the time they do come out of lockdown.

No idea what your smoking but this thing ain't going away by May.

That's not optimism your putting out there it's spoof

_Brian

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

There's diseases all over the world that you can get while traveling. There's diseases you can get in Ireland.

Did you avoid Spain before because of tiger mosquito or rabies? Jeez, you can get hep A from the food!

Don't be so silly.

Not silly, just prudent.

amadangomor

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Jesus people are grim.

If this is still going in July we will be in apocolypse territory at which stage I will be putting all my money in guns and canned food

There will be no vaccine by July so unless you got the virus and recovered you will have no immunity.

The virus will still be around so why would you risk travelling in these circumstances?

Del2005

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

We will reach a point where the consequences of total economic collapse will be worse than the consequences of the virus. There is absolutely no way that the entire world will shut down until a vaccine is found. You think this is bad? Wait until there's civil unrest and you can't walk outside your front door without being mugged at knifepoint and far worse.

There is only so long governments can pay people who have been laid off and there is only so long people are going to obey these strict measures. After that, things will have to start picking up again. Exactly when, we'll have to wait and see, but I expect business travel to pick up first, and then there will be plenty of those who aren't too worried and would rather get a holiday than stay at home.

There's already been mini riots and police called over possible looting in Italy and Spain, as people are running out of money, if it goes on much longer then the virus will be the least of our problems.

WHL

China said to be two months ahead. They are returning to normal apparently but still have a ban on most incoming travel. And if you do, you have to quarantine for 14 days before you can go out. I am not sure that a Spain or an Italy will want external visitors this summer, given what they will have gone through
https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-travel-restrictions-due-to-covid-19-an-explainer/

lainey_d_123

Del2005 wrote: »

There's already been mini riots and police called over possible looting in Italy and Spain, as people are running out of money, if it goes on much longer then the virus will be the least of our problems.

Exactly. The people who seem to think this situation can hold indefinitely are the actual deluded ones. The cost of the economy shutting down completely for months on end are going to be far, far higher than people getting sick and dying from a virus.

Some people seem to think the 'economy' means people getting rich and amassing huge amounts of savings or something. They don't seem to equate it with their everyday reality. Without a functioning economy, there is little to no healthcare, supply chains are broken, food becomes scarce, children start dying of malnutrition. Perhaps some of these people would like to have a look at what's going on in Venezuela is they think we shouldn't be worrying about the economy.

The only people who think everything must be shut down for as long as it takes are those who have had cushy lives in Ireland and take everything for granted. These times of nice orderly lines at shops and helping out neighbours and buying online exercise courses aren't going to last when people genuinely run out of money and become desperate.

Things HAVE to get back to normal. The elderly and vulnerable have been told to stay at home for about 12 weeks and I imagine that's when restrictions on things like pubs, shops and travel will slowly start to be lifted - early into mid summer. The virus won't be gone, but it's simply unfeasible to keep living around it for much longer than that. The intention isn't to stop people getting this, it's to avoid the massive spike in infections which overwhelms hospitals and leads to more deaths than necessary. Until there's a vaccine, it will have to be a risk people live with if they choose to go outside.

smelly sock

https://www.thejournal.ie/spain-conavirus-death-toll-5066402-Apr2020/

I think Spain might well be a no go for the year. Ffs.

billyhead

Who knows. I think that Spain will reopen for travellers at some point this year as they are heavily reliant on tourism.

JAMCAR

Sorry for jumping on bord here, have the same problem myself, have family holidays booked for mid August, for Disneyland Paris.
Flights with Air France, non refundable. Hotel booked with alpharoom will lose 50% of the booking, don't know whether to cancel or wait it out.

Thanks

billyhead

JAMCAR wrote: »

Sorry for jumping on bord here, have the same problem myself, have family holidays booked for mid August, for Disneyland Paris.
Flights with Air France, non refundable. Hotel booked with alpharoom will lose 50% of the booking, don't know whether to cancel or wait it out.

Thanks

Wait it out imo.

lainey_d_123

JAMCAR wrote: »

Sorry for jumping on bord here, have the same problem myself, have family holidays booked for mid August, for Disneyland Paris.
Flights with Air France, non refundable. Hotel booked with alpharoom will lose 50% of the booking, don't know whether to cancel or wait it out.

Thanks

Wait it out. If THEY cancel, you'll get all the money back. No use in cancelling now.

smelly sock

JAMCAR wrote: »

Sorry for jumping on bord here, have the same problem myself, have family holidays booked for mid August, for Disneyland Paris.
Flights with Air France, non refundable. Hotel booked with alpharoom will lose 50% of the booking, don't know whether to cancel or wait it out.

Thanks

Wait it out. Do not hand over another penny. You have the upper hand in this. I cant see holidays to Spain happening when there is still the remotest chance of a breakout or new cases coming out of the country and that'll be the case for the forseeable.