General British politics discussion thread

ancapailldorcha

devnull wrote: »

Cull of the Corbynites has started

https://twitter.com/BarryGardiner/status/1246805606939463681

I don't think that this is a good proxy of any cull. Gardiner has someone who has always come across extremely poorly and seemed to be in his position due to loyalty. Reshuffles are a part of life on both sides of the House of Commons.

Tom Mann Centuria

devnull wrote: »

Cull of the Corbynites has started

https://twitter.com/BarryGardiner/status/1246805606939463681

"Cull of the Corbynites" spoken like a true Sun journalist. :pac:

I'd naturally assumed he, like every other leader, ever, would want his own team.

devnull

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think that this is a good proxy of any cull. Gardiner has someone who has always come across extremely poorly and seemed to be in his position due to loyalty. Reshuffles are a part of life on both sides of the House of Commons.

Agreed.

My point more was that he was only there for his loyalty and his closeness due to Corbyn rather than being someone who really ought to be there in the first place and that it's good that KS is getting rid of such people from the shadow cabinet.

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

"Cull of the Corbynites" spoken like a true Sun journalist. :pac:

I have never bought a copy of the Sun for myself, and I don't see that ever changing! Sadly however my father is an avid reader and I've been sent out to buy it a number of times in my life!

Tom Mann Centuria

I'd expect a few junior positions for those on the left of the party, couple of those in Corbyn's shadow cabinet more to the centre of the party will probably still be at the top table (Well Rayner obviously a shoe in)

Joe_ Public

I dont see a "cull". He will keep RLB, i think, and others like Dawn Butler and Thornberry who have been ok. Analise Dodds seems to be the tip for shadow chancellor. I'm not sure Jess Phillips will get a call. Could be wrong, though.

Tom Mann Centuria

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I'm not sure Jess Phillips will get a call. Could be wrong, though.

You're hopefully right, she's a dreadful, shallow self publicist who is awful when interviewed in any detail at all, unless she can answer "Babs". Her leadership challenge was cringe worthy. I'd take any old school Blair loyalist over her, at least they actually believe what they say and are articulate enough to put it across.

devnull

Ian Lavery next to go
https://twitter.com/IanLaveryMP/status/1246806516499468288

Again not really a surprise, wasn't going to be a great fit for a Starmer cabinet.

Joe_ Public

Very happy to see Angela Rayner, on day 9 of her self imposed 14 day isolation, call Hancock out on Ridge this morning. This is the opposition they need.

"I'm disappointed that Matt Hancock, after seven days of having the virus, went out when the World Health Organisation has said you should self-isolate for 14 days.

"I think it's right that we do that because I cannot stress enough the severity of the symptoms that I have suffered, as you can tell from how breathless I am still now, and I'm day nine, day 10.

"I think the Government really need to give that clarity and continue to support people doing the right thing."

Joe_ Public

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

You're hopefully right, she's a dreadful, shallow self publicist who is awful when interviewed in any detail at all, unless she can answer "Babs". Her leadership challenge was cringe worthy. I'd take any old school Blair loyalist over her, at least they actually believe what they say and are articulate enough to put it across.

I'm not that strongly against her but i definitely do find myself cringing at some of the stuff she does. I'm just very curious what starmer might see there if anything.

Joe_ Public

Top team announced. Think that's Ashworth kept in place?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1246829596500267013?s=20

Joe_ Public

Overall it's not bad. Nandy is very capable, Reeves very meh for me and dont know much about that home Secretary guy. Dodds i have nothing against at all.

Tom Mann Centuria

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Top team announced. Think that's Ashworth kept in place?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1246829596500267013?s=20

Nick Brown stays as chief whip. Deserved after trying to cope with plp for all these years. He'll have an easier ride now I'd expect.

Tom Mann Centuria

Reeves is an odd one with the large scale job losses that are sure to follow this virus.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-says-labour-does-not-want-to-represent-people-out-of-work-10114614.html

Quite safe and solid appointments otherwise, Nandy's soundbite about Catalonia and Scotland didn't do her any favours, but the underlying point was a fair one. I'd expect to see at least a couple of people of colour in positions left to be filled. Allina-Khan (spelling) and my other guess an arch europhile like Lammy.

Joe_ Public

Yeah Reeves is the one that throws me a bit. I'd have thought there were better alternatives there for a committee role - Ian Murray, Clive Lewis, Rosie Duffield etc. With Scotland a big priority, i thought Murray would be worth a significant promotion as he's a very solid performer.

Itssoeasy

Prime minister Boris Johnson has been Admitted to hospital for tests. That’s a concerning Development.

Roanmore

Boris Johnson admitted to hospital

ancapailldorcha

No more nicknames please. Posts deleted.

Good loser

Never found Raynor impressive. She waffles too much. Was never clear on Brexit.

Leonard Hofstadter

Did Yvette Cooper get anything important?

I always thought Labour made a massive blunder not picking her to replace Ed Miliband in the first place.

Tom Mann Centuria

David Lammy, Shadow Justice
John Healey, Shadow Defence
Ed Miliband, Shadow BEIS
Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade
Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions
Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education
Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Luke Pollard, Shadow DEFRA
Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government
Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing


I was right about Lammy anyway.

Roanmore

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

David Lammy, Shadow Justice
John Healey, Shadow Defence
Ed Miliband, Shadow BEIS
Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade
Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions
Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education
Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Luke Pollard, Shadow DEFRA
Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government
Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing


I was right about Lammy anyway.

Surpised no room for Dr Roseanna Khan, finished second in Deputy Leadership race

devnull

Full List of new Shadow Cabinet

Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip

Professor Moriarty

devnull wrote: »

Full List of new Shadow Cabinet

Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip

Thangam Debbonaire. Wish I had a name like that.

Tom Mann Centuria

Thinks it's fair to say that's a broad church of a shadow cabinet, as he promised he would have. So I doff my cap to him.

Joe_ Public

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Thangam Debbonaire. Wish I had a name like that.

Not bad but its no Bambos Charalambous.

Joe_ Public

I think overall its fine, compared to government front bench its mensa committee level. No clive lewis a bit disappointing. No wes streeting is good news.

And no Jess Phillips!

Tom Mann Centuria

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I think overall its fine, compared to government front bench its mensa committee level. No clive lewis a bit disappointing. No wes streeting is good news.

And no Jess Phillips!

Yeah no Philips and Streeting is excellent news imo. Like you, thought Lewis might get a look in, something environmental.

Marcusm

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

Did Yvette Cooper get anything important?

I always thought Labour made a massive blunder not picking her to replace Ed Miliband in the first place.

I was disappointed that her husband ran instead of her; she’s very capable. She chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee which, given the Tory majority, is probably a better position to challenge the government than a front bench position.

Sam Russell

No Diane Abbott?

Tom Mann Centuria

Sam Russell wrote: »

No Diane Abbott?

No.