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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    devnull wrote: »

    I don't think that this is a good proxy of any cull. Gardiner has someone who has always come across extremely poorly and seemed to be in his position due to loyalty. Reshuffles are a part of life on both sides of the House of Commons.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    devnull wrote: »

    "Cull of the Corbynites" spoken like a true Sun journalist. :pac:

    I'd naturally assumed he, like every other leader, ever, would want his own team.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I don't think that this is a good proxy of any cull. Gardiner has someone who has always come across extremely poorly and seemed to be in his position due to loyalty. Reshuffles are a part of life on both sides of the House of Commons.

    Agreed.

    My point more was that he was only there for his loyalty and his closeness due to Corbyn rather than being someone who really ought to be there in the first place and that it's good that KS is getting rid of such people from the shadow cabinet.
    "Cull of the Corbynites" spoken like a true Sun journalist. :pac:

    I have never bought a copy of the Sun for myself, and I don't see that ever changing! Sadly however my father is an avid reader and I've been sent out to buy it a number of times in my life!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I'd expect a few junior positions for those on the left of the party, couple of those in Corbyn's shadow cabinet more to the centre of the party will probably still be at the top table (Well Rayner obviously a shoe in)

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I dont see a "cull". He will keep RLB, i think, and others like Dawn Butler and Thornberry who have been ok. Analise Dodds seems to be the tip for shadow chancellor. I'm not sure Jess Phillips will get a call. Could be wrong, though.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I'm not sure Jess Phillips will get a call. Could be wrong, though.

    You're hopefully right, she's a dreadful, shallow self publicist who is awful when interviewed in any detail at all, unless she can answer "Babs". Her leadership challenge was cringe worthy. I'd take any old school Blair loyalist over her, at least they actually believe what they say and are articulate enough to put it across.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Ian Lavery next to go
    https://twitter.com/IanLaveryMP/status/1246806516499468288

    Again not really a surprise, wasn't going to be a great fit for a Starmer cabinet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Very happy to see Angela Rayner, on day 9 of her self imposed 14 day isolation, call Hancock out on Ridge this morning. This is the opposition they need.

    "I'm disappointed that Matt Hancock, after seven days of having the virus, went out when the World Health Organisation has said you should self-isolate for 14 days.

    "I think it's right that we do that because I cannot stress enough the severity of the symptoms that I have suffered, as you can tell from how breathless I am still now, and I'm day nine, day 10.

    "I think the Government really need to give that clarity and continue to support people doing the right thing."


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    You're hopefully right, she's a dreadful, shallow self publicist who is awful when interviewed in any detail at all, unless she can answer "Babs". Her leadership challenge was cringe worthy. I'd take any old school Blair loyalist over her, at least they actually believe what they say and are articulate enough to put it across.

    I'm not that strongly against her but i definitely do find myself cringing at some of the stuff she does. I'm just very curious what starmer might see there if anything.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Top team announced. Think that's Ashworth kept in place?

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1246829596500267013?s=20


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Overall it's not bad. Nandy is very capable, Reeves very meh for me and dont know much about that home Secretary guy. Dodds i have nothing against at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Top team announced. Think that's Ashworth kept in place?

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1246829596500267013?s=20

    Nick Brown stays as chief whip. Deserved after trying to cope with plp for all these years. He'll have an easier ride now I'd expect.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Reeves is an odd one with the large scale job losses that are sure to follow this virus.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-says-labour-does-not-want-to-represent-people-out-of-work-10114614.html

    Quite safe and solid appointments otherwise, Nandy's soundbite about Catalonia and Scotland didn't do her any favours, but the underlying point was a fair one. I'd expect to see at least a couple of people of colour in positions left to be filled. Allina-Khan (spelling) and my other guess an arch europhile like Lammy.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Yeah Reeves is the one that throws me a bit. I'd have thought there were better alternatives there for a committee role - Ian Murray, Clive Lewis, Rosie Duffield etc. With Scotland a big priority, i thought Murray would be worth a significant promotion as he's a very solid performer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,284 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Prime minister Boris Johnson has been Admitted to hospital for tests. That’s a concerning Development.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Boris Johnson admitted to hospital


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No more nicknames please. Posts deleted.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Never found Raynor impressive. She waffles too much. Was never clear on Brexit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Did Yvette Cooper get anything important?

    I always thought Labour made a massive blunder not picking her to replace Ed Miliband in the first place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    David Lammy, Shadow Justice
    John Healey, Shadow Defence
    Ed Miliband, Shadow BEIS
    Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade
    Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions
    Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education
    Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
    Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    Luke Pollard, Shadow DEFRA
    Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government
    Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing


    I was right about Lammy anyway.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    David Lammy, Shadow Justice
    John Healey, Shadow Defence
    Ed Miliband, Shadow BEIS
    Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade
    Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions
    Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education
    Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
    Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    Luke Pollard, Shadow DEFRA
    Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government
    Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing


    I was right about Lammy anyway.

    Surpised no room for Dr Roseanna Khan, finished second in Deputy Leadership race


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,530 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Full List of new Shadow Cabinet

    Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
    Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
    Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
    Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
    Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
    Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
    John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
    Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
    Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
    Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
    Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
    Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
    Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
    Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
    Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
    Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
    Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
    Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
    Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
    Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
    Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
    Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
    Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
    Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
    Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
    Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
    Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
    Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
    Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
    Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    devnull wrote: »
    Full List of new Shadow Cabinet

    Keir Starmer, Leader of the Opposition
    Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party
    Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
    Lisa Nandy, Shadow Foreign Secretary
    Nick Thomas-Symonds, Shadow Home Secretary
    Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    David Lammy, Shadow Justice Secretary
    John Healey, Shadow Defence Secretary
    Ed Miliband, Shadow Business, Energy and Industrial Secretary
    Emily Thornberry, Shadow International Trade Secretary
    Jonathan Reynolds, Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary
    Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care
    Rebecca Long-Bailey, Shadow Education Secretary
    Jo Stevens, Shadow Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
    Bridget Philipson, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    Luke Pollard, Shadow Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary
    Steve Reed, Shadow Communities and Local Government Secretary
    Thangam Debbonaire, Shadow Housing Secretary
    Jim McMahon, Shadow Transport Secretary
    Preet Kaur Gill, Shadow International Development Secretary
    Louise Haigh, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary (interim)
    Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland Secretary
    Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales Secretary
    Marsha de Cordova, Shadow Women and Equalities Secretary
    Andy McDonald, Shadow Employment Rights and Protections Secretary
    Rosena Allin-Khan, Shadow Minister for Mental Health
    Cat Smith, Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Engagement
    Lord Falconer, Shadow Attorney General
    Valerie Vaz, Shadow Leader of the House
    Nick Brown, Opposition Chief Whip
    Baroness Smith, Shadow Leader of the Lords
    Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition Chief Whip

    Thangam Debbonaire. Wish I had a name like that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Thinks it's fair to say that's a broad church of a shadow cabinet, as he promised he would have. So I doff my cap to him.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Thangam Debbonaire. Wish I had a name like that.

    Not bad but its no Bambos Charalambous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I think overall its fine, compared to government front bench its mensa committee level. No clive lewis a bit disappointing. No wes streeting is good news.

    And no Jess Phillips!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I think overall its fine, compared to government front bench its mensa committee level. No clive lewis a bit disappointing. No wes streeting is good news.

    And no Jess Phillips!

    Yeah no Philips and Streeting is excellent news imo. Like you, thought Lewis might get a look in, something environmental.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,121 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Did Yvette Cooper get anything important?

    I always thought Labour made a massive blunder not picking her to replace Ed Miliband in the first place.

    I was disappointed that her husband ran instead of her; she’s very capable. She chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee which, given the Tory majority, is probably a better position to challenge the government than a front bench position.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    No Diane Abbott?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,811 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    No Diane Abbott?

    No.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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