Special offers Cheltenham.

Charlie George

If we could put up special offers for Cheltenham from the bookies, eg, skybet free €20 bet on first race on each day last year.

Today - Betfair sportsbook 6/1 A plus tard /Ryanair.

carq

Sky only 10€ this year it seems

Earendil

carq wrote: »

Sky only 10€ this year it seems

Ffs! It started at €50!!

Andrew00

There's too many Cheltenham threads

jj mac

carq wrote: »

Sky only 10€ this year it seems

And this year there won't be any bog on specials so if your horse drifts you won't get the better price ( this is with skybet)

Charlie George

Ladbrokes - - 15 days to go special - - champ (rsa) and appreciate it (bumper) 15/1.

Slattsy

Charlie George wrote: »

Ladbrokes - - 15 days to go special - - champ (rsa) and appreciate it (bumper) 15/1.

What can you get on with Labrokes out of interest for these specials?

Dr. Bre

Paddy power normally goes money back if horse 2/3/4 on all races opening day. Bet365 offer last year was bet a fiver on the big race and get a fiver free bet on each day.

IAMAMORON

Charlie George wrote: »

Ladbrokes - - 15 days to go special - - champ (rsa) and appreciate it (bumper) 15/1.

Don't do it to yourself.

There will be 66/1 winners, just take your time.

The bumper is the hardest race to win in the world, never mind back the winner. We have no concept of what the best horse in the race is, no one does.

Champ is also probably opposable at his price, although I actually think the only people who overestimate the horse is the bookies. Given he fell last time out I would be a bit iffy about him. Seemed to slightly choke in last years Ballymore and given City Island has not turned up this year, what can you make of the form at all? The 7/2 is all wrong and unless he got above 5's I would not be interested. There are 24 races, there is value everywhere you look.

But following bookies "specials" does not work.

Anyway if it came through Ladbrokes would be jumping through hoops to try to find a way of not paying you. They do that. You will have marked the docket incorrectly or some other garbage.

maximo31

Betfair today : Shiskin (Sup) , Envoi Allen (Ballym) & Appreciate It (Bump) @ 25/1.

Bet365 : Benie Des Dieux , Envoi Allen , Tiger Roll & Paisley Park @ 18/1.

No idea of max amount allowed for any.

SkyBet : Shiskin & Al Boum Photo @ 18/1.

IAMAMORON

I see Appreciate It is popular with the Bookies combos...….

If I owned a horse I would name him Bargepole. No one would go near it.

Slattsy

I do think Champ wins the RSA. Even though I've Allaho backed. At 3/1 he's a not be for me. Although if he drifted to 5s or part of a special, I'd be tempted to throw a few bob on him.

Croll

maximo31 wrote: »

Betfair today : Shiskin (Sup) , Envoi Allen (Ballym) & Appreciate It (Bump) @ 25/1.

Bet365 : Benie Des Dieux , Envoi Allen , Tiger Roll & Paisley Park @ 18/1.

No idea of max amount allowed for any.

SkyBet : Shiskin & Al Boum Photo @ 18/1.

That bet365 one looks alright , usually use these special offers to decide who not to back , appreciate its inclusions tell me he’s one anyways

IAMAMORON

Slattsy wrote: »

I do think Champ wins the RSA. Even though I've Allaho backed. At 3/1 he's a not be for me. Although if he drifted to 5s or part of a special, I'd be tempted to throw a few bob on him.

I would have a bet at 5's, win only, but nothing less. But I would be having say 70% of my race stake on, definitely looking for a bigger priced saver. There are some nice double figure prices still in the race. In saying that I find it alarming that he is in combos at all, bookies don't get it wrong often.

If Copperhead goes here I would find it difficult not to back it. He looks like a dirty great big tank of a thing. Won lovely last time.

If anyone had the time or the energy it would be a great idea to start a roster of horsies that get offered in combos and offers over the next few weeks. It would certainly help with short lists and finding out what hasn't a hope and isn't being backed.

Hulk Hands

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Champ is also probably opposable at his price, although I actually think the only people who overestimate the horse is the bookies. Given he fell last time out I would be a bit iffy about him. Seemed to slightly choke in last years Ballymore and given City Island has not turned up this year, what can you make of the form at all? The 7/2 is all wrong and unless he got above 5's I would not be interested. There are 24 races, there is value everywhere you look.

You think the 7/2 is 'all wrong', i.e, you think he should be much bigger, yet you'd actually back him at 5/1?

realdanbreen

IAMAMORON wrote: »

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Anyway if it came through Ladbrokes would be jumping through hoops to try to find a way of not paying you. They do that. You will have marked the docket incorrectly or some other garbage.

I must say that Ladbrokes is probably the one firm that I have never had an issue with either in terms of paying out the correct amount or accepting a large bet.

Charlie George

Boylesports - shiskin (sh) notebook (a) - - 14/1

IAMAMORON

Charlie George wrote: »

Today - Betfair sportsbook 6/1 A plus tard /Ryanair.

Charlie George wrote: »

Ladbrokes - - 15 days to go special - - champ (rsa) and appreciate it (bumper) 15/1.

maximo31 wrote: »

Betfair today : Shiskin (Sup) , Envoi Allen (Ballym) & Appreciate It (Bump) @ 25/1.

Bet365 : Benie Des Dieux , Envoi Allen , Tiger Roll & Paisley Park @ 18/1.

No idea of max amount allowed for any.

SkyBet : Shiskin & Al Boum Photo @ 18/1.

Charlie George wrote: »

Boylesports - shiskin (sh) notebook (a) - - 14/1

I am starting a sheet on "bookie doubles". Can everyone please feel free to post any specials they see over the next few weeks, particularly preformed " doubles" and any offers on certain horses.

For example in the last week Shiskin is turning up in offers by Boyles, Sky Bet and Betfair. That would be a big Shiskin negative for me.

If you are a broker reading this I would advise you to not rip the piss, I will be double checking offers and if I find out you are telling porkies you are straight onto the naughty step, GOAT.

It will be good to see what horses the bookies are happy to lay. They definitely get info on horsies that are not going well, they have eyes and ears in all the big stables, it is their business to know.

Croll

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am starting a sheet on "bookie doubles". Can everyone please feel free to post any specials they see over the next few weeks, particularly preformed " doubles" and any offers on certain horses.

For example in the last week Shiskin is turning up in offers by Boyles, Sky Bet and Betfair. That would be a big Shiskin negative for me.

If you are a broker reading this I would advise you to not rip the piss, I will be double checking offers and if I find out you are telling porkies you are straight onto the naughty step, GOAT.

It will be good to see what horses the bookies are happy to lay. They definitely get info on horsies that are not going well, they have eyes and ears in all the big stables, it is their business to know.

Good idea

IAMAMORON

Hulk Hands wrote: »

You think the 7/2 is 'all wrong', i.e, you think he should be much bigger, yet you'd actually back him at 5/1?

To be honest Hulkster I shít bricks as soon as the bookies start throwing horsies into doubles and the like.

I think Champ is a right good horse, but even coming second in the Ballymore was kind of an underperfomance last year. He won then at Aintree. He has fallen this year when in a commanding lead.

The horse has a serious engine, but I am just not convinced that 7/2 is the correct price. Who has he beaten this year? The double offer is slighty worrying insofar as while I think there is a lot of scope for the bumper horse to lose, he is still been risked in one. I would be a lot happier to not see him included in any garbage offers from bookies. Somebody somewhere in Lambourn has scratched their head or is not convinced. He would not be thrown in one otherwise.

At this point I will be waiting for the day and if I see him arriving into doubles then I would not be backing him at all. Just saying.

Hulk Hands

IAMAMORON wrote: »

To be honest Hulkster I shít bricks as soon as the bookies start throwing horsies into doubles and the like.

I think Champ is a right good horse, but even coming second in the Ballymore was kind of an underperfomance last year. He won then at Aintree. He has fallen this year when in a commanding lead.

The horse has a serious engine, but I am just not convinced that 7/2 is the correct price. Who has he beaten this year? The double offer is slighty worrying insofar as while I think there is a lot of scope for the bumper horse to lose, he is still been risked in one. I would be a lot happier to not see him included in any garbage offers from bookies. Somebody somewhere in Lambourn has scratched their head or is not convinced. He would not be thrown in one otherwise.

At this point I will be waiting for the day and if I see him arriving into doubles then I would not be backing him at all. Just saying.

I was merely pointing out the oxymoron. You can't the 7/2 is 'all wrong' yet also think the 5/1 is too big and worth a bet.

Don't worry atal about which horses bookies put in specials. 1) These specials aren't thought up by traders, they're done by marketing types who couldn't tell you the difference between a handicap and a maiden. They're just picking ones at random. 2) Even if it was done by the racing team, do you really think the likes of Skybet or Boyles know anything? They employ a few lads to copy prices from other firms and take the rest from external feeds.

Don't be afraid of these specials at all, they're often decent value for the small stakes punter.

Croll

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Even if it was done by the racing team, do you really think the likes of Skybet or Boyles know anything? They employ a few lads to copy prices from other firms and take the rest from external feeds.

Don't be afraid of these specials at all, they're often decent value for the small stakes punter.

They're not fools either, from what Ive seen sky bet boosts very rarely win, there is definitely some thought put into the selections for these specials anyways

NaiveMelodies

Croll wrote: »

They're not fools either, from what Ive seen sky bet boosts very rarely win, there is definitely some thought put into the selections for these specials anyways

Apparently they give the relevant jockeys 50% of all proceeds of these types of bets to ensure they stop their respective horses.

Hulk Hands

Croll wrote: »

They're not fools either, from what Ive seen sky bet boosts very rarely win, there is definitely some thought put into the selections for these specials anyways

With respect, this is pub talk nonsense. If the likes of Boyles or Sky had moles in in Hendersons yard, why wouldnt they go 5/1 champ and hoover up all the extra turnover rather than a crappy special. What's the max stake on them, a tenner? If I went into Boyles trying to have 100 on that special id be offered a fiver at sp. Specials are a way to keep recreational punters interested for cheap. You can't get a decent stake on them and restricted punters can't back them. Skybet budget to lose a few % a year on promotions and boosts. It's a retention tool

Croll

Hulk Hands wrote: »

With respect, this is pub talk nonsense. If the likes of Boyles or Sky had moles in in Hendersons yard, why wouldnt they go 5/1 champ and hoover up all the extra turnover rather than a crappy special. What's the max stake on them, a tenner? If I went into Boyles trying to have 100 on that special id be offered a fiver at sp. Specials are a way to keep recreational punters interested for cheap. You can't get a decent stake on them and restricted punters can't back them. Skybet budget to lose a few % a year on promotions and boosts. It's a retention tool

Not saying they have moles but I’m sure they take into account the quantities placed and by who along with potential loss when picking these horses , if champ hasn’t been backed much and minella indo has then I’m sure they would use champ for their specials rather than minella to cover themselves. These specials are probably the majority of Cheltenham bets they get for the 3/4 weeks leading up to the festival so I’m sure It’s not just marketing heads throwing them in into specials as they like!

Hulk Hands

Honestly mate, that's exactly what it is. 15 days to go, so the marketing head looks at it and knows he has to find 2 or 3 horses around 12s or 13/1 and boost it up to 15/1. He goes for favourites as they'll be better known to punters. Finds Siskin and champ, 3.5x4=13.0. Hey presto. The special is thrown in for a max stake of 10 to 20 quid and limited to a max of 10k total stakes. Skybet will probably take the full 10k, Boyles will struggle to take 1. The trading room doesn't give a toss and it's about 0.05% of total turnover for the day. Marketing lad will do the same thing tomorrow for 14/1 and so on

IAMAMORON

Genuine punters won't have an issue letting the thread be aware what the doubles are. Given the success the bookies have laying these mug doubles I don't think it is a fluke of marketing either. I respect the Hulkster's comments on max bets, this is true enough. But I don't for a second believe that the doubles are invented willy nilly by a twenty something airhead just out of Mountjoy Square, there is too much money at stake. If 100,000 mugs have a tenner swipe at a 6/1 Envoi Allen Altior double that costs the firm £ 6 million. I am not getting into the issue of 6 million being a small number, but in my experience bookies don't give away money for nothing either.

If anyone thinks that bookies are not getting information they are not being real. I respect how unethical it is and how much trouble stables would be in if it was ever proved... but it is everywhere.

I used to know a bookie's runner who would be laying off big bets all over the city on a Sunday morning. He would be able to tell me straight out the non triers in any of the maidens, he was rarely wrong. The same non triers would be getting their price collapsed all morning. The bookies make the money off the mugs who don't have the info, even at a tenner a pop.

It is a corrupt game, please believe. Anyone saying it's not is usually knee deep in it. Pub talk or no pub talk.

I have seen far too many odds on shots tailed off at 4/7. Most of them were splattered all over the double screens in the morning.

Croll

Yeah look Hulk Im not saying your wrong but I do believe there is a bit more thought put into these specials than you suggest.

Also: Benie, Tiger, A plus tard 14-1 PP,
Appreciate it , A plus Tard 9-1 SkyBet

IAMAMORON

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I was merely pointing out the oxymoron. You can't the 7/2 is 'all wrong' yet also think the 5/1 is too big and worth a bet.
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I respect the confusion. My best answer to this is that given my uncertainty about the horse I would prefer to lose less on a bigger price. As it is I don't see any value in backing him at 7/2, I lose an extra 40% of my stake if I could back him on the day at 5/1. My angle is that I am not satisfied at his price, given his form. The double offer just enforces my opinion. But at some point there would be a price available which will endorse my risk.

lemush

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am starting a sheet on "bookie doubles". Can everyone please feel free to post any specials they see over the next few weeks, particularly preformed " doubles" and any offers on certain horses.

For example in the last week Shiskin is turning up in offers by Boyles, Sky Bet and Betfair. That would be a big Shiskin negative for me.

He's the bloody Supreme favorite, the first race of the festival so of course he's going to be in offers from the high st firms. To say it's a negative is ridiculous to put it mildly.

Charlie George

Betfair sportsbook 14/1--a plus tArd (r) benie(mh) tiger (xc).

Charlie George

Ladbrokes 14/1 - - benie(Mares) and Envoi (bh) to win by over 4 lengths.

BoroMan32

Hard enough to find one winner at Cheltenham, let alone getting involved in these muggy doubles and trebles.

lemush

Charlie George wrote: »

Ladbrokes 14/1 - - benie(Mares) and Envoi (bh) to win by over 4 lengths.

Now that’s a mugs bet.

Charlie George

lemush wrote: »

Now that’s a mugs bet.

Not so sure, coming up soft is 4/6 and that will probably send honeysuckle to the ch, benie will definitely win that by more than 4, Ballymore is a different kettle but 14/1 mightnt be too bad at all.

Hulk Hands

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Genuine punters won't have an issue letting the thread be aware what the doubles are. Given the success the bookies have laying these mug doubles I don't think it is a fluke of marketing either. I respect the Hulkster's comments on max bets, this is true enough. But I don't for a second believe that the doubles are invented willy nilly by a twenty something airhead just out of Mountjoy Square, there is too much money at stake. If 100,000 mugs have a tenner swipe at a 6/1 Envoi Allen Altior double that costs the firm £ 6 million. I am not getting into the issue of 6 million being a small number, but in my experience bookies don't give away money for nothing either.

If anyone thinks that bookies are not getting information they are not being real. I respect how unethical it is and how much trouble stables would be in if it was ever proved... but it is everywhere.

I used to know a bookie's runner who would be laying off big bets all over the city on a Sunday morning. He would be able to tell me straight out the non triers in any of the maidens, he was rarely wrong. The same non triers would be getting their price collapsed all morning. The bookies make the money off the mugs who don't have the info, even at a tenner a pop.

It is a corrupt game, please believe. Anyone saying it's not is usually knee deep in it. Pub talk or no pub talk.

I have seen far too many odds on shots tailed off at 4/7. Most of them were splattered all over the double screens in the morning.

This is actually some of the biggest rubbish I've ever seen posted on this site.

100,000 mugs have a tenner at 6/1? How many active customers do you think the likes of Skybet or Boyles have at one time that you think 100k can get involved in a daily special? It's already been explained to you that these things are put in for a max of 10k in stakes or so. It automatically comes down off site once a certain number of bets are reached. You think a firm will take a liability of 6 million on a special?

Bookies get info from bets placed, that's a given. All the rest about moles in yards is actually laughable. If the lads working in bookies were recieving such good info, why are they working there for modest salary's rather than rakeing it in elsewhere?

Every company assigns a budget to lose on promos and boosts etc. Check Skybets or Flutters annual statements, very easy to find info on it. This idea that a bookie knows something at Cheltenham (where every horse is trying for their life) will definitely lose yet decided the best way to lay it is to offer 10 quid max specials rather than push the price out is laughable and pathetic.

IAMMORON, how many lads from trading floors do you know, how many gambling accounts have you had closed/restricted and how much time have you spent around the industry in general? If the answer to any of those is anything other than 'a lot', you should really stop talking

IAMAMORON

Hulk Hands wrote: »

This is actually some of the biggest rubbish I've ever seen posted on this site.

100,000 mugs have a tenner at 6/1? How many active customers do you think the likes of Skybet or Boyles have at one time that you think 100k can get involved in a daily special? It's already been explained to you that these things are put in for a max of 10k in stakes or so. It automatically comes down off site once a certain number of bets are reached. You think a firm will take a liability of 6 million on a special?

Bookies get info from bets placed, that's a given. All the rest about moles in yards is actually laughable. If the lads working in bookies were recieving such good info, why are they working there for modest salary's rather than rakeing it in elsewhere?

Every company assigns a budget to lose on promos and boosts etc. Check Skybets or Flutters annual statements, very easy to find info on it. This idea that a bookie knows something at Cheltenham (where every horse is trying for their life) will definitely lose yet decided the best way to lay it is to offer 10 quid max specials rather than push the price out is laughable and pathetic.

IAMMORON, how many lads from trading floors do you know, how many gambling accounts have you had closed/restricted and how much time have you spent around the industry in general? If the answer to any of those is anything other than 'a lot', you should really stop talking

That might all be true. But why with your tone?

Indicating that my opinion is "laughable" and or "pathetic"....? That I speak rubbish ?

It seems a bit overly personal, this is an online racing forum, people come on to discuss the game and share their thoughts. I have no problem shooting my mouth.... but I would like to think I keep it civil enough. This is a community, would you speak to your neighbours like that?

Just finally, you really don't have the option to demand that anyone "just stop talking", apart from it being uncivil and rude , it also contravenes the entire point of this forum.

I have no issue with anyone having an opinion, but getting personal on matters is kind of nasty, I don't like that. Just saying.

Hulk Hands

I was very respectful when I started posting but you kept coming back with nonsense. You were acting the expert about something you don't understand and people here will wrongly take your advice on it.

The best thing about Cheltenham for small staking punters is all these offers you get, it gives you a proper chance to get easy value that you won't at any other time of year. A perfect example is a few years ago when Sprinter Sacre was 1/4 to win the Champion Chase, and Coral gave every customer 20 quid at evens. If people were taking your advice they'd have thought the bookies knew something and left one of the best boosts of all time alone while he hacked up by 19L

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The bumper is the hardest race to win in the world, never mind back the winner. We have no concept of what the best horse in the race is, no one does.

Stop making stuff up for god sake, top of the market has a better record in the Bumper that pretty much any race in the festival. Last year being a perfect example, only 6 winning favs and only three races where the top two finished 1st and 2nd and the Bumper was one of them.The very fact that they are 'unexpossed' is factored into the prices.

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Stop making stuff up for god sake, top of the market has a better record in the Bumper that pretty much any race in the festival. Last year being a perfect example, only 6 winning favs and only three races where the top two finished 1st and 2nd and the Bumper was one of them.The very fact that they are 'unexpossed' is factored into the prices.

I don't agree with you. For the following reasons.

1) Only 2 winning favourites since 2010.
2) Relegate @ 25/1, Cue Card @ 40/1 ,Cheltenian @ 14/1, Champagne Fever @ 16/1. Briar Hill @ 25/1. These are not top of the market prices. I am not making this up.

The Bumper is a shightfest. Very hard to predict the winner. I know the crew down in Closutton might have a fair idea of their best chance, but strangely their " fancies" never seem to get up. Like when Relegate beat the backed Carefully Selected and the bookies favourite horse Blackbow. Briar Hill and Champagne Fever were other shockers.

Why insinuate that the Bumper is an easy race to win? It clearly isn't based on the facts. You are talking about 5 or 6 year olds having maybe their 3rd run on a racecourse, they can improve massively, from a punting perspective how would you know?

If we are to believe what comes out of the bigger stables like Closutton each year they seem to be in the dark as much as anyone. Otherwise Blackbow would be hacking up at 5/1 as opposed to Relegate @ 25/1?

You will need to get your facts right. The Bumper is an extremely difficult race to win from a punting perspective.

IAMAMORON

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I was very respectful when I started posting but you kept coming back with nonsense. You were acting the expert about something you don't understand and people here will wrongly take your advice on it.

The best thing about Cheltenham for small staking punters is all these offers you get, it gives you a proper chance to get easy value that you won't at any other time of year. A perfect example is a few years ago when Sprinter Sacre was 1/4 to win the Champion Chase, and Coral gave every customer 20 quid at evens. If people were taking your advice they'd have thought the bookies knew something and left one of the best boosts of all time alone while he hacked up by 19L

You seem very obsessed with protecting the bookie reputation for a poster who is worried that punters might be influenced by me?

I am reiterating this now, to all punters out there who read this. If you start gambling your money on doubles and other offers suggested by a bookmaker you are not going to win money. Don't back suggested doubles and other offers from bookies. They know exactly where the real money is going. Bookies are not in the business of losing money.

Stop reading their friendly " tips " , I mean the irony is not lost on me. Why would a bookie, whose business it is to make money off you , give you advice on how to do so?

Slapping Coral bookmakers on the back for handing out an offer to mugs who probably blew the score they won when they backed Regal Encore in the bumper 2 hours later?

Pleeease Hulkster, whose side are you really on here?

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Why insinuate that the Bumper is an easy race to win? It clearly isn't based on the facts. You are talking about 5 or 6 year olds having maybe their 3rd run on a racecourse, they can improve massively, from a punting perspective how would you know?

I didnt insinuate that it was 'easy to win' what ever that even means :rolleyes: You said and I quote '' The bumper is the hardest race to win in the world'' and that rto put it nicely is utter boll*x

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You seem very obsessed with protecting the bookie reputation for a poster who is worried that punters might be influenced by me?

I am reiterating this now, to all punters out there who read this. If you start gambling your money on doubles and other offers suggested by a bookmaker you are not going to win money. Don't back suggested doubles and other offers from bookies. They know exactly where the real money is going. Bookies are not in the business of losing money.

Stop reading their friendly " tips " , I mean the irony is not lost on me. Why would a bookie, whose business it is to make money off you , give you advice on how to do so?

Slapping Coral bookmakers on the back for handing out an offer to mugs who probably blew the score they won when they backed Regal Encore in the bumper 2 hours later?

Pleeease Hulkster, whose side are you really on here?

Gone full bat sh*t crazy now, have a lie down for urself, the nerves are getting to you!

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Stop making stuff up for god sake, top of the market has a better record in the Bumper that pretty much any race in the festival. Last year being a perfect example, only 6 winning favs and only three races where the top two finished 1st and 2nd and the Bumper was one of them.The very fact that they are 'unexpossed' is factored into the prices.

Pogue eile wrote: »

I didnt insinuate that it was 'easy to win' what ever that even means :rolleyes: You said and I quote '' The bumper is the hardest race to win in the world'' and that rto put it nicely is utter boll*x

Only 2 favs returned in 10 years.

Relegate @ 25/1, Cue Card @ 40/1 ,Cheltenian @ 14/1, Champagne Fever @ 16/1. Briar Hill @ 25/1. These are not top of the market prices.

I am losing respect for your opinion every time you post, particularly when you start contradicting yourself? Not good.

Charlie George

Ladbrokes special 13/1--altior and champ.

IAMAMORON

Paddy Power at the trebles now, easy game.

Appreciate It (Champion Bumper) Altior (Champion Chase) & Paisley Park (Stayers Hurdle) All To Win 2 enhanced from 11/1 to 16/1.

Thanks Paddy!!

Appreciate It getting very popular now in the combos. The Acid Test for me now will be when Ruby Walsh starts fancying it, we are on Defcon 4 at that stage.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Only 2 favs returned in 10 years.

Relegate @ 25/1, Cue Card @ 40/1 ,Cheltenian @ 14/1, Champagne Fever @ 16/1. Briar Hill @ 25/1. These are not top of the market prices.

I am losing respect for your opinion every time you post, particularly when you start contradicting yourself? Not good.

2019 favourite 1st, second favourite second.
2018 Favourite placed
2017 won by 3rd Fav
2016 won by 2nd Fav
2015 Won by FAV
2014 fav finished 2nd
2013 Fav finished 2nd
2012 Fav finished 2nd

That is pretty impressive market forming for the ''hardest race to win in the world''...lol everytime I quote that it gets both funnier and dumber!

As to prove my point, I'll give you 3 picks in the County Hurdle and I'll have three in the Bumper, if one of us picks the winner and the other fails to do so, €100 to the winner???

Charlie George

Boylesports 13/1--Envoi Allen and allmankind.

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They definitely get info on horsies that are not going well, they have eyes and ears in all the big stables, it is their business to know.

Based on this 'logic' it might surprise you to know that of the 11 favs at the festival that are currently /1 only one of those do not appear in the specials being quoted here - that horse is Minella Melody in the Mares Novice, I assume you will be filling your boots with this insider info??

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

2019 favourite 1st, second favourite second.
2018 Favourite placed
2017 won by 3rd Fav
2016 won by 2nd Fav
2015 Won by FAV
2014 fav finished 2nd
2013 Fav finished 2nd
2012 Fav finished 2nd

That is pretty impressive market forming for the ''hardest race to win in the world''...lol everytime I quote that it gets both funnier and dumber!

As to prove my point, I'll give you 3 picks in the County Hurdle and I'll have three in the Bumper, if one of us picks the winner and the other fails to do so, €100 to the winner???

Stop making it up as you go along, you are being foolish now.

I am backing horsies for 30 odd years. The bumper is a lottery, get over it.

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Based on this 'logic' it might surprise you to know that of the 11 favs at the festival that are currently /1 only one of those do not appear in the specials being quoted here - that horse is Minella Melody in the Mares Novice, I assume you will be filling your boots with this insider info??

Cheers for the heads up.