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Increment being revoked

  • 31-01-2020 11:16am
    #1
    Smashhits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭


    Hi everyone

    I am a clerical officer in the civil service for the past 21 years. In June 18 I was awarded the CO Higher Scale. I was paid this from Feb 19. I have now been informed that this was paid in error. HR have acknowledged responsibility but still require me to pay back the over-payment.

    I'm curious to know if this has happened to anyone else? What was the outcome? Can an increment be revoked?
    Thanks


Comments

  • #2
    ahnowbrowncow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    Simply put, yes they are entitled to put you back on the correct point of pay and reclaim the overpayment. I'm presuming they awarded you the increment in error.

    Have a look at circular 07/2018.


  • #3
    Shane Fitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Shane Fitz


    Surely after 21 years service you're at the tlop of either incremental scale?


  • #4
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Shane Fitz wrote: »
    Surely after 21 years service you're at the tlop of either incremental scale?

    presumably OP was at top of CO scale but only got put onto Higher CO in June 2018


    OP
    what are they saying is the mistake? were you given an increment too soon or what?

    or are they saying you should not have been put onto Higher CO?


  • #5
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,275 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    When you say that you were awarded the Higher CO scale, did you get official notification of this award?

    Have you asked your union for advice?


  • #6
    whampiri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭whampiri


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    When you say that you were awarded the Higher CO scale, did you get official notification of this award?

    Have you asked your union for advice?

    Even if he received notification and triple signed a contract for it, the op will have to repay the monies. The union can do sweet f-all about it.


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  • #7
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,275 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    whampiri wrote: »
    Even if he received notification and triple signed a contract for it, the op will have to repay the monies. The union can do sweet f-all about it.

    It depends what's going on here.

    If this is a payroll error, the OP will indeed have to repay the money. The union can help to negotiate an acceptable repayment schedule.

    If someone is trying to pull a fast one by recalling a decision that is not recallable, then the union will be a big help.


  • #8
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It depends what's going on here.

    If this is a payroll error, the OP will indeed have to repay the money. The union can help to negotiate an acceptable repayment schedule.

    If someone is trying to pull a fast one by recalling a decision that is not recallable, then the union will be a big help.

    Payroll only act on the instructions of HR/ people point.


  • #9
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Rowan Glamorous Twilight wrote: »
    Payroll only act on the instructions of HR/ people point.

    Unless payroll made a mistake. You do realise individuals and individual departments can make mistakes without the input of external departments... Right


  • #10
    Smashhits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭Smashhits


    Hi All

    Thank you for the replies. I should point out i am at the top of the CO scale but was advised in June 18 that the higher scale was granted (by email) 1 further increment payable from Feb 19.
    I then receiveed notification (again via email from HR) that this was paid in error. I have spoken to the CSEAS officer and yes unfortunately 'human error' is mentioned in circular 07/18 with regard to recouping overpayments.
    According to HR I am to received notification from Peoplepoint regarding the amount which I was overpaid. Still waiting on that although payslip seems to have already been adjusted!!!!!


  • #11
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Tork


    Payroll messed up my pension contributions several years ago. A few of us had underpaid and it was a sum of several hundred euros. They arranged to claim it back fortnightly in small increments. Mistakes happen and they're within their rights to amend it.


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  • #12
    whampiri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭whampiri


    Smashhits wrote: »
    Hi All

    Thank you for the replies. I should point out i am at the top of the CO scale but was advised in June 18 that the higher scale was granted (by email) 1 further increment payable from Feb 19.
    I then receiveed notification (again via email from HR) that this was paid in error. I have spoken to the CSEAS officer and yes unfortunately 'human error' is mentioned in circular 07/18 with regard to recouping overpayments.
    According to HR I am to received notification from Peoplepoint regarding the amount which I was overpaid. Still waiting on that although payslip seems to have already been adjusted!!!!!

    Well you didn't think that they were going to compound the error by continuing to pay the incorrect amount, did you?

    The only advice I can provide is to negotiate with pp on how much you repay each week. They're normally very reasonable.


  • #13
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    listermint wrote: »
    Unless payroll made a mistake. You do realise individuals and individual departments can make mistakes without the input of external departments... Right
    Payroll will have received the instruction from PP. They don't just give imcrements on a whim
    That pp knew about it says it came from there and generally the local hr first.

    There was a case in one dept where staff received an increment and pp realised the mistake band wanted to recoup. Union got involved and that was the last that was heard of recouping but the payment did stop.


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