Chinese EV to hit Europe - Aiways U5

Gile_na_gile

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

The Corona virus has mortality rate of 3% so far, and less if you include those not diagnosed and recovered. The seasonal flu is 1%.... China is well-equipped to deal with it, but I would like to know what are they doing generally to improve markets, because that is where we are getting these viral mutations from one species to another.


Anyway, Euro and Am makers have to beat them on innovation and brand loyalty, but the direction of China is going from low-value to high-value, so it will eventually flatten out. We have seen that already with their mobiles, Xiaomi etc. China is changing to a domestic consumption-driven economy with a middle class as large as that of Europe....

Might as well eat my words now, since the mortality rate of Covid-19/Corona is roughly 2.3% while seaons flu is typically around 0.2%. The former will be revised continually given how long it takes for a case to be resolved in either return to health or death, so that mortality rate, or Case Fatality Ratio is currently quite variable.


In Hubei the CFR seems as high as 5% in Hubei, but it can be as low as 0.8% elsewhere. The outcomes are heavily influenced by how well the outbreak is managed and the care response. At the epicentre the health system was overwhelmed.



Source, 26 Feb, preprint: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.26.20028076v1



So, in a country like ours it depends on how managed it is. The CFR increases if we don't manage the spread, but could remain low if well managed. There will have to be more drastic measures to restrict travel and isolate cases once infection rates go up.

traco

If the Chinese meet the safety standards, are well built and tick price, range boxes etc then I'd consider them. Lets face it much of the electronics for EV stuff will originate from Asia anyway so I see little difference there.

One area that might be a concern for me is suspension components. I'd like these to be made by a reputable brand even if that factory is in China. Too many stories of aftermarket Chinese suspension components not lasting any length.

Looks good but 190 Hp is a no no and estimated 240 Kms range = not fantastic.

How many Kw on CCS ?

traco

My current daily is 140bhp and its fine, loads of 100bhp cars on the road with no problems. Why is 190 not enough for daily school runs, work commute, shopping etc?

The work LWB HR Transit is 155bhp and it functions adequately.

Idbatterim

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Looks good but 190 Hp is a no no and estimated 240 Kms range = not fantastic.

How many Kw on CCS ?

what are you talking about mad lad? 190bhp in ireland isnt enough? I sometimes feel I should ditch my car, because I would walk quicker than most accelerate away here from stops and the speed they drive at? where are you going to be racing to in an urban area for example? the next ramp or set of lights?

also the range will be reflected in the price! which is one of the key points people talk about, with the slow adoption of EV. What do you want? a 1000km range , 500 bhp mass market affordable EV ?

I do think it will take the chinese to massively speed up ev adoption...

beauf

[QUOTE=traco;112672749...Why is 190 not enough for daily school runs, work commute, shopping etc?...[/QUOTE]

You have to get to the gridlock as fast as possible.

There are EVs with more BHP if thats your thing.

traco

traco wrote: »

My current daily is 140bhp and its fine, loads of 100bhp cars on the road with no problems. Why is 190 not enough for daily school runs, work commute, shopping etc?

The work LWB HR Transit is 155bhp and it functions adequately.

Idbatterim wrote: »

what are you talking about mad lad? 190bhp in ireland isnt enough? I sometimes feel I should ditch my car, because I would walk quicker than most accelerate away here from stops and the speed they drive at? where are you going to be racing to in an urban area for example? the next ramp or set of lights?

also the range will be reflected in the price! which is one of the key points people talk about, with the slow adoption of EV. What do you want? a 1000km range , 500 bhp mass market affordable EV ?

I do think it will take the chinese to massively speed up ev adoption...

beauf wrote: »

You have to get to the gridlock as fast as possible.

There are EVs with more BHP if thats your thing.

Electrics are heavy and a Q5 size EV will be heavier again making 190 HP not all that fantastic.

It would be absolutely fine if there was another Motor option so People can choose lower power or higher power. But this is a situation common with most electrics.

traco

Autocar UK review in Germany
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/aiways/u5/first-drives/aiways-u5-2019-review

Not going to set the world on fire but seems acceptable for what it is. If its around 30k then it should sell well here.

Third_Echelon

Not bad at all. Would certainly do the job as the family people mover around town and the burbs. Depending on range and options would work perfectly well in ireland for longer trips too.

Interior buttons and knobs are the exact same as Hyundai. If the price is right, it could do well.

unkel

BHP is pretty meaningless, but 190BHP should be plenty. It's torque that counts. My humble Ioniq has just 118BHP yet it is away quicker from the lights than about 90% of cars on the road in this country today.

240km is not that far from what an average Irish car drives in a week (308km). Plenty of range for most people, although they probably don't realise this

Torque counts but without HP there is no Torque, HP gives you the ability to move and torque is the force that moves you.

You need more HP to go faster or to accelerate faster.

With any given HP it's how they implement this that matters, you can use this available HP for faster acceleration or faster top speed but for more of both you need more power, more HP.

+ it's how the car can put this power on the road that matters, poor grip makes a Kona for instance seem much much slower than the power would suggest.

eddhorse

Well they say 240km range but it's not that in reality.

The more EVs the better, keep them coming to bring down prices.

Saw two of these AIWAYS U5 cars while charging yesterday.
They have a partnership with two companies in Germany.
Euronics is a respected chain of independent Electrical equipment retailers throughout Germany.
ATU is a respected chain of marque independent after-market maintenance garages across Germany.
You can test-drive from a participating Euronics outlet and maintenance warranty is covered by ATU.

I didn't get to test drive but for the price of a high specification Zoe or e208 you are getting a highly specified car as large as a Skoda Enyaq with same range as a mid-sized battery VAG product.

The biggest problem they are having in getting traction is that these days most cars are acquired on lease agreements and the lease companies can't figure out the residual values so are pitching the lease deals at high prices to cover themselves.

optimal

Mohammed Sweet Lettuce wrote: »

Saw two of these AIWAYS U5 cars while charging yesterday.
They have a partnership with two companies in Germany.
Euronics is a respected chain of independent Electrical equipment retailers throughout Germany.
ATU is a respected chain of marque independent after-market maintenance garages across Germany.
You can test-drive from a participating Euronics outlet and maintenance warranty is covered by ATU.

I didn't get to test drive but for the price of a high specification Zoe or e208 you are getting a highly specified car as large as a Skoda Enyaq with same range as a mid-sized battery VAG product.

The biggest problem they are having in getting traction is that these days most cars are acquired on lease agreements and the lease companies can't figure out the residual values so are pitching the lease deals at high prices to cover themselves.

Interesting. Euronics are in Ireland as well. I wonder will my local Euronics store start selling cars