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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes

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  • The top post has now been updated with the latest information.

    Dublin Airport have now issued a revised transport zones map to reflect todays changes, which can be found below. Note that this map is only valid until 3rd March 2020 when the second phase of changes occur.

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  • National Express have now officially announced Dublin Express
    https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/newsmedia/news-across-the-group/2020/national-express-coach-expands-abroad-for-the-first-time/
    National Express Coach has expanded its network of scheduled airport coach services outside of the UK with a contract award in Ireland.

    The UK’s largest coach operator has secured the deal to run a high-frequency, cross-city network with Ireland-based Bernard Kavanagh Coaches operating the service on their behalf.

    At launch in March, ‘Dublin Express’ will run three routes up to 24 hours a day between Dublin Airport and Dublin City Centre. A phased expansion of the network will see additional services being added to connect more locations across the city and increase the frequency of airport connections.

    John Boughton, managing director of National Express Ireland, commented: “Dublin Express will transform what it means to ride an airport service in the Irish capital.

    “We currently run 1,100 airport services every day on a 24-hour basis direct to the terminal for all major UK airports including Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Heathrow and Manchester. And as Ireland’s largest private coach operator, we have previously worked with Bernard Kavanagh Coaches to operate Irish services.

    “Bringing together this collective experience, local knowledge and expertise as Dublin Express will allow us to provide a much enhanced experience at a great price.”


    Dublin Airport managing director Vincent Harrison said that he was delighted to see an expansion of coach and bus services to and from the airport: “We are very focussed on improving public transport options to Dublin Airport for both passengers and airport-based employees, and we specifically sought coach and bus providers who would expand the network, both in terms of the hours of operation and the route choice.”

    Passengers will benefit from a fleet of modern and efficient coaches that meet the latest standards for engine emissions (Euro VI). An array of safety and technology features will provide customers with an unrivalled experience, including reclining leather seats, extra legroom, free wifi and charging sockets. The latest in technology will provide customers with real-time information to track their coach, and easy booking and payment with tap-and-go, contactless ticketing at the airport and an array of digital and mobile channels in multiple languages.

    Managing director Bernard Kavanagh, commented: "We have a long-standing, strong relationship with National Express. We look forward to building on this in 2020 with the new Dublin Express service."

    For more information, visit www.dublinexpress.ie




  • devnull wrote: »
    Dublin Airport have now issued a revised transport zones map to reflect todays changes, which can be found below. Note that this map is only valid until 3rd March 2020 when the second phase of changes occur.

    This DAA page has links for the various bus services to/from the airport and has a link to the map of the bus zones which devnull posted above and which will probably be updated as things develop.

    https://www.dublinairport.com/to-from-the-airport/by-bus




  • Deedsie wrote: »
    So will National express be providing the 779 - Airport to CityWest route?

    Be great to see if there were a few stops along the route. Commuters along the M7 would use that route if it stopped at the right locations.

    It's not yet known.

    All we know is Express Bus has a license for it.

    Anything else is just speculation and guesswork at this point. It's very much a developing picture.




  • Deedsie wrote: »
    So will National express be providing the 779 - Airport to CityWest route?

    Be great to see if there were a few stops along the route. Commuters along the M7 would use that route if it stopped at the right locations.

    I would imagine it would only be for passengers travelling to the airport only in the same manner Aircoach or Airport Hopper passengers can only use the service to travel to the airport only and the services from the aiport can only drop off passengers along the routes


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  • devnull wrote: »
    National Express have now officially announced Dublin Express

    Will the Dublin Express buses feature a jolly hostess selling crisps and tea?

    And will she provide drinks and theatrical winks ;)




  • coylemj wrote: »
    Will the Dublin Express buses feature a jolly hostess selling crisps and tea?

    And will she provide drinks and theatrical winks ;)

    And,how long has he been a Busdriver ?
    Eh...he's NOT a Busdriver !

    Classic :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiBI3A2WcrE


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)





  • Heard a whisper that the price for the new Dublin Express routes might go as low as €5 single

    This would undercute both Dublin Bus Airlink and Aircoach (€6 online or €7 on bus) which is sure to stir things up.




  • Official announcement of introduction of Dublin Express by the Dublin Airport twitter account:

    See here.




  • p_haugh wrote: »
    Official announcement of introduction of Dublin Express by the Dublin Airport twitter account:

    See here.

    The way that is worded is pretty interesting.

    It suggests that someone may be ceasing routes soon as well and National Express have agreed to acquire an operator, because this is the first we have heard of long distance services - they don't have licenses for such services at the moment.


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  • Any more info on the other non city centre routes?

    If that €5 one-way ticket rumour is correct they'll sweep up. Aircoach is only going to be a better alternative for the longer distance south dublin routes.




  • i have heard that Dublin Express are to apply for a Route licence for a Serivce to Kilkenny so competing against Dublin Cooach also other Routes might apper


    also some of the Mercedes-Benz Tourismo that Dublin Express will be using wont be new coaches but 2nd hand ex Clarkes of London coaches and 15 of them




  • Dublin To Kilkenny would be very viable and Im surprised all operators have left DC have it to themselves for so long. It needs to be a direct service though Dublin-Carlow-Kilkenny perhaps




  • i have heard that Dublin Express are to apply for a Route licence for a Serivce to Kilkenny so competing against Dublin Cooach also other Routes might apper


    also some of the Mercedes-Benz Tourismo that Dublin Express will be using wont be new coaches but 2nd hand ex Clarkes of London coaches and 15 of them

    Clarke's is part of National Express.

    There's also a couple of Kings Ferry vehicles that have been repainted in navy blue without anything else sitting in their usual depot as well so it's highly likely that they will form part of the fleet.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/49379120403/in/photolist-2iesU9T-2cFNtrB-VJ5dL7-Rmg6RL-Rs3bJw-2dvpu7d-2dzRy2F-RQswvT-YzyKAd-L38t6d-TbGxDy-Rxmc4i-2dPqNsF-S28Arx-2fjKPpb-2dybWrW-2gZY13K-2b8XTiM-25NeWWC-RM4oJW-WaCY85-FoXNi5-29xFJwA-28pVVuw-2aT3cw1-2aB7k7a-2h4mArB-2fQufFz-LT8Xvp-29fQGca-TgMm9j-2hsJaL3-2h4nmJA-284TAL4-2hsJaGA-2hsHanP-2hsErHc-2hsHaAV-2hsHahU-Nbkmc5




  • Word on the street is that First are offloading Aircoach, expecting to hear more over the next few days.

    Its a disgrace Joe!





  • d51984 wrote: »
    Word on the street is that First are offloading Aircoach, expecting to hear more over the next few days.

    You can see why they would, they've ballsed up their advantage on the Cork route, their city routes are going to come under significant pressure going forward, they're no longer the biggest UK group in Ireland and the Belfast route is under severe attack by Dublin Coach.

    Wouldn't surprise me at all but I hope the Dublin Coach rumour is incorrect because of all the issues that company has which we have seen previously discussed. First may have not made the most of the companies potential, but they're still better run under existing management than Dublin Coach.




  • devnull wrote: »
    You can see why they would, they've ballsed up their advantage on the Cork route, their city routes are going to come under significant pressure going forward, they're no longer the biggest UK group in Ireland and the Belfast route is under severe attack by Dublin Coach.

    Wouldn't surprise me at all but I hope the Dublin Coach rumour is incorrect because of all the issues that company has which we have seen previously discussed. First may have not made the most of the companies potential, but they're still better run under existing management than Dublin Coach.

    I hear that the owner of Dublin coach may be involved somewhere




  • what up with Dublin Coach? As a passenger I think its a great service? But no clue about drivers etc




  • d51984 wrote: »
    Word on the street is that First are offloading Aircoach, expecting to hear more over the next few days.
    devnull wrote: »
    You can see why they would, they've ballsed up their advantage on the Cork route, their city routes are going to come under significant pressure going forward, they're no longer the biggest UK group in Ireland and the Belfast route is under severe attack by Dublin Coach.

    Yet they're making a decent profit here. Irish Times article from Jan 20, 2020......

    The growth of Dublin Airport and the increase in city-based events in Dublin were key to the increase to €30.2 million in revenue at private bus operator Aircoach last year, according to its directors.

    Accounts for Last Passive Ltd show an increase in slight revenue to €30.2 million from €29.8 million and pre-tax profits of €4.719 million in the 12 months to the end of March 30th last.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-airport-growth-drives-revenues-at-aircoach-to-30-2m-1.4145782




  • coylemj wrote: »
    Yet they're making a decent profit here. Irish Times article from Jan 20, 2020......

    The growth of Dublin Airport and the increase in city-based events in Dublin were key to the increase to €30.2 million in revenue at private bus operator Aircoach last year, according to its directors.

    Accounts for Last Passive Ltd show an increase in slight revenue to €30.2 million from €29.8 million and pre-tax profits of €4.719 million in the 12 months to the end of March 30th last.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/dublin-airport-growth-drives-revenues-at-aircoach-to-30-2m-1.4145782

    Yes but they will get nowhere near that from March 2020 onwards, they are facing many headwinds which are going to seriously impact their profit and it would be a surprise to see them to do much more than break even unless they have something big up their sleeve and it's unlikely First do.

    - Brexit impacting the Belfast route post December
    - Dublin Coach going even more aggressive on Belfast route in comings weeks
    - Poor commercial management on Cork route has seen yields go down and GoBus really close the gap.
    - Quite likely to lose the Dublin Airport car park shuttle contract.
    - The loss of prime spot at Dublin Airport which will seriously reduce passing trade as many people won't even see them let alone use them
    - A well resourced operator who has a habit of sustaining long term action to force incumbents out is starting up and will drive prices down.
    - The likely loss of the deal with Ryanair to sell Aircoach tickets.

    Aircoach may have made over €15m profit in the last three years but a lot of that has been sent back to prop up other parts of First. Yes there has been investment in the company but it pales in significance to what could and should have been if it wasn't propping up various failing parts of First and servicing debt that had been run up by the parent company over many years.


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  • Devnull is 100% correct, even the Airport to city centre was a huge money spinner for Aircoach, they would regularly have extra coaches to take city bound passengers leaving the Leopardstown sevice to take passengers travelling to Leeson St and further on.




  • devnull wrote: »
    Aircoach may have made over €15m profit in the last three years but a lot of that has been sent back to prop up other parts of First. Yes there has been investment in the company but it pales in significance to what could and should have been if it wasn't propping up various failing parts of First and servicing debt that had been run up by the parent company over many years.

    Cheers for that. It explains a lot of the (in)actions by Aircoach in (not) supporting their services here over the past few years. It had all the hallmarks of a company with their eyes firmly focused elsewhere.




  • devnull wrote: »
    Yes but they will get nowhere near that from March 2020 onwards, they are facing many headwinds which are going to seriously impact their profit and it would be a surprise to see them to do much more than break even unless they have something big up their sleeve and it's unlikely First do.

    - Brexit impacting the Belfast route post December


    Is Brexit changing the licensing arrangements on the Belfast route?




  • Parts of Aircoach blue turning green very soon. A lot of unhappy employees.

    Its a disgrace Joe!





  • Is Brexit changing the licensing arrangements on the Belfast route?

    I guess that depends what deal there is with the EU - the rule is run under European Union rather than domestic rules and both the Aircoach and the Bus Eireann / Translink services are run using an arrangement that makes use of staff both sides of the border and money transfering either side of the border and in Aircoaches' case even NI drivers who drive an ROI registered vehicle, so would insurance and licenses be valid on each side of the border?

    It may make things harder to support maintenance since operators tend to use dealers on each side of the border for maintenance and repairs, for example Aircoach vehicles on the Belfast route can be serviced at either Irish Commercials in the ROI or Dennison Commercials in the north. There's probably more stuff as well.




  • d51984 wrote: »
    Parts of Aircoach blue turning green very soon. A lot of unhappy employees.

    Did O Sullivan keep a small percentage stake in Aircoach ??
    If Dublin Express is well run combined with Dublin Bus having huge capacity on the 747/757, does Aircoach really have much to offer, On the Greystones and Killiney route for example very few outside Blackrock use it anyway, whilst the residents of Killiney+Dalkey complained about the new route through Ballsbridge fact was thats where the paying customer are if Dublin Express does Ballsbridge/Blackrock whats left for Aircoach,




  • soundman45 wrote: »
    Did O Sullivan keep a small percentage stake in Aircoach ??
    If Dublin Express is well run combined with Dublin Bus having huge capacity on the 747/757, does Aircoach really have much to offer, On the Greystones and Killiney route for example very few outside Blackrock use it anyway, whilst the residents of Killiney+Dalkey complained about the new route through Ballsbridge fact was thats where the paying customer are if Dublin Express does Ballsbridge/Blackrock whats left for Aircoach,

    Just on the greystones route that actually does quite well from greystones, bray and shankill and then up the n11. It's always quite busy. Certainly a route that would be profitable for anyone




  • d51984 wrote: »
    Parts of Aircoach blue turning green very soon. A lot of unhappy employees.

    Can't say that it's good news if so bearing in mind the differences in the way that the Aircoach fleet is presented in comparison to the Dublin Coach one, but you can understand the reasons that First would sell up bearing in mind the headwinds they are going to be facing sooner or later in the market.

    Would imagine the other half would quite likely go to National Express.




  • from what i am hearing john might be Looking at the belfast and Cork Routes and the belfast route is Under First bus Northern ireland


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  • Are folks saying that DC are going to buy the Aircoach Cork and Belfast routes?!

    That would be the worst outcome possible, IMO.


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