Vegan funding/Eden sanctuary

Masifxx

I see this million euro vegan advertising campaign here and in the UK is all funded from a small animal sanctuary in Meath. This sounds very fishy. Where is the money coming from?

patsy_mccabe

https://www.southeastradio.ie/2020/01/ifa-hit-out-against-eden-animal-sanctuary-over-funding-issues/

mr.stonewall

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.southeastradio.ie/2020/01/ifa-hit-out-against-eden-animal-sanctuary-over-funding-issues/

Maybe a report of money laundering might be required and visit from CAB. Living beyond their means

Say my name

Masifxx wrote: »

I see this million euro vegan advertising campaign here and in the UK is all funded from a small animal sanctuary in Meath. This sounds very fishy. Where is the money coming from?

Mod Snip. Unless you can back up such assertions please don't post it. Even tongue in cheek. Thanks. GC.

kerryjack

Is that the best argument the IFA have is looking where there money comes from,God help us. Vegan is just a fad it will pass like all other fads, you will have a certain % of the population who thinks they are cool and trendy it was the same in the 60s, I don't see why farmers are getting so bothered about it. They are surely opportunity there as well like growing kale and spinach and those sprouting seeds that they eat box it up and charge them well for it.

alps

kerryjack wrote: »

box it up and charge them well for it.

Is there any product that we box up and charge well for?

whisky_galore

alps wrote: »

Is there any product that we box up and charge well for?

Stick a few small veg and leaves worth a euro or so into a plastic container and charge 7 euro for it. That's what Chopped does.

alps

whisky_galore wrote: »

Stick a few small veg and leaves worth a euro or so into a plastic container and charge 7 euro for it. That's what Chopped does.

Remind me again, how much of that 7€ did the farmer get for the veg?

ganmo

alps wrote: »

Remind me again, how much of that 7€ did the farmer get for the veg?

2+ for the shop
About 4 for the processor
Leaving a quid or less for the farmer

Cantona's Collars

She was on with Matt Cooper and flat out refused to say where the funds come from.
They went from €250,000 to €3 million in 3 years.
In the debate with the IFA president,she kept comparing animals with people and humanised them,it just sounded odd and she kept mentioning facts without actually providing any bar the usual clichés.
She had no comeback when it was brought up about a Channel 4 documentary basically was an ad for veganism and the channel has invested in a Vegan food company and that James Cameron did one on Netflix only for it to be revealed that he has invested in a vegan food company too. So much for independent reporting.

gozunda

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

She was on with Matt Cooper and flat out refused to say where the funds come from.
They went from €250,000 to €3 million in 3 years.
In the debate with the IFA president,she kept comparing animals with people and humanised them,it just sounded odd and she kept mentioning facts without actually providing any bar the usual clichés.
She had no comeback when it was brought up about a Channel 4 documentary basically was an ad for veganism and the channel has invested in a Vegan food company and that James Cameron did one on Netflix only for it to be revealed that he has invested in a vegan food company too. So much for independent reporting.

The sad thing is that animal "sanctuary' business has turned into a money making machine. I know of one such such setup - they recieve grant money from the DoA, receive significant amounts in donations and 'adoption fees' and were the recipient of at least one large bequest. I've yet to see any clarity as to where / to how cash is accounted for tbh or ny independent inspection.

The other issue is what I would call animal welfare tourism with people coming specifically to live in Ireland from elsewhere and who do so to set up charities' or other type rescue operations. Very few are vetted to any degree and are wide open for misuse imo.

Not saying all are the same just there is absolutely no control or oversight involved in such operations.

Boredstiff666

kerryjack wrote: »

Is that the best argument the IFA have is looking where there money comes from,God help us. Vegan is just a fad it will pass like all other fads, you will have a certain % of the population who thinks they are cool and trendy it was the same in the 60s, I don't see why farmers are getting so bothered about it. They are surely opportunity there as well like growing kale and spinach and those sprouting seeds that they eat box it up and charge them well for it.

Life is so simple isn't it.

Land has to be suitable for growing such delicate veg. For instance try growing that on a bleak hillside in Connemara.

Farmers may have borrowed heavily on equipment for livestock farming which will now be be worthless if we all go vegan.

Farmers are mostly of the older generation. If they leave farming then that is gone forever. You cant suddenly start livestock or other farming again in 10 years time when there is nobody experienced enough to do it and you wont learn it at college.

Believe it or not farmers get very little money for their produce because Joe Public refuses to buy at the farm gate and instead prefers to buy older food covered in plastic, believing its fresh produce from supermarkets and paying many more times for the product than what the farmer gets. Then Joe has to pay more hard earned cash to dispose of their waste. So Joe ends up paying far too much for his nosh but then blames the farmer.

Try living on kale spinach and sprouting seeds.

Boredstiff666

gozunda wrote: »

The sad thing is that animal "sanctuary' business has turned into a money making machine. I know of one such such setup - they recieve grant money from the DoA, receive significant amounts in donations and 'adoption fees' and were the recipient of at least one large bequest. I've yet to see any clarity as to where / to how cash is accounted for tbh or ny independent inspection.

The other issue is what I would call animal welfare tourism with people coming specifically to live in Ireland from elsewhere and who do so to set up charities' or other type rescue operations. Very few are vetted to any degree and are wide open for misuse imo.

Not saying all are the same just there is absolutely no control or oversight involved in such operations.

They couldn't do this if animals were treated better.

Boredstiff666

ganmo wrote: »

2+ for the shop
About 4 for the processor
Leaving a quid or less for the farmer

Very few people will believe this. All people see is a farmer driving a 4x4 and believe he is loaded to the hilt.

A farmer doesnt have a 4x4 to impress the neighbours and drop the kids off at school. The towing hitch may be a giveaway.

gozunda

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

They couldn't do this if animals were treated better.

Trouble is where animals doing what they do is being viewed as against some of these groups principles and sometimes little to do with treating animals better tbh.

The lot above apparently were giving chickens non approved medications to prevent egg laying. As I said buger all oversight whatsover.

Boredstiff666

gozunda wrote: »

Trouble is where animals doing what they do is being viewed as against some of these groups principles and sometimes little to do with treating animals better tbh.

The lot above apparently were giving chickens non approved medications to prevent egg laying. As I said buger all oversight whatsover.

Why would they stop a chicken laying an egg?

gozunda

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Why would they stop a chicken laying an egg?

Good question ...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106856576

Boredstiff666

ganmo wrote: »

2+ for the shop
About 4 for the processor
Leaving a quid or less for the farmer

Thats also incorrect because the farmer bares all of the production costs from that £quid. So the farmers profits may run into single pennies.

Will Joe Public ever buy direct off the farmer and save a fortune?.................Not a hope in hell !!!!

Boredstiff666

gozunda wrote: »

Good question ...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106852674

Madness.

Boredstiff666

kerryjack wrote: »

Is that the best argument the IFA have is looking where there money comes from,God help us. Vegan is just a fad it will pass like all other fads,

Mmmmmm........Brexit is but just a few weeks away.

Irish livestock are sold into UK and this may not happen anymore.

Irish farmers are mostly small family farms by large producing excellent quality produce. They rely on grants to exist. Some of that money comes from the EU which may have funding problems after Brexit.

If the grants stop or are reduced then those family farms may no longer exist.

More problems for the meat industry.

bogman_bass

kerryjack wrote: »

Is that the best argument the IFA have is looking where there money comes from,God help us. Vegan is just a fad it will pass like all other fads, you will have a certain % of the population who thinks they are cool and trendy it was the same in the 60s, I don't see why farmers are getting so bothered about it. They are surely opportunity there as well like growing kale and spinach and those sprouting seeds that they eat box it up and charge them well for it.

The problem with asking a question like that is you might not get the answer you want

Buford T. Justice XIX

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Very few people will believe this. All people see is a farmer driving a 4x4 and believe he is loaded to the hilt.

A farmer doesnt have a 4x4 to impress the neighbours and drop the kids off at school. The towing hitch may be a giveaway.

The C and D registrations may be an indication also:D

I came across this today, if you want an example of the mindset of these activists.
https://twitter.com/livpulsford/status/1215089160165502976?s=20

_Brian

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Thats also incorrect because the farmer bares all of the production costs from that £quid. So the farmers profits may run into single pennies.

Will Joe Public ever buy direct off the farmer and save a fortune?.................Not a hope in hell !!!!

I think consumers are more interested than ever in buying ex farm, there are more enterprises now making that direct connection and shortening the food chain.

But it can’t be all price, it has to be a premium product at a fair price.

the_syco

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I came across this today, if you want an example of the mindset of these activists.
https://twitter.com/livpulsford/status/1215089160165502976?s=20

Seems the dog was reunited with it's owner. With a bit of luck, the two thieves will be decapitated.

Buford T. Justice XIX

On vegan funding, Mitsubishi are in a spot of bother for their support of 'activists' who stole pigs from a farm.
https://twitter.com/hubmaker/status/1215594858175434754?s=19
Apparently, they're looking into it but they're getting quite a hammering from UK farmers because of it atm.

Guy:Incognito

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Thats also incorrect because the farmer bares all of the production costs from that £quid. So the farmers profits may run into single pennies.

Will Joe Public ever buy direct off the farmer and save a fortune?.................Not a hope in hell !!!!

The same argument applies to the shop and the processor too though. They cost money to run.

ted1

alps wrote: »

Remind me again, how much of that 7€ did the farmer get for the veg?

Now would be a good time for farmers to start a chain. Or co-op etc. Nothing to stop them making 100% of the profits

The lads building the iPhones don’t make much in them either.

ted1

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

Thats also incorrect because the farmer bares all of the production costs from that £quid. So the farmers profits may run into single pennies.

Will Joe Public ever buy direct off the farmer and save a fortune?.................Not a hope in hell !!!!

So why doesn’t the farmer do something about it? Sell direct. Open chains of health stores.

Look at the happy pear guys. Started with a fruit and veg shop. Now have a farm and turning over several million a year

Cantona's Collars

the_syco wrote: »

Seems the dog was reunited with it's owner. With a bit of luck, the two thieves will be decapitated.

I'm open to correction but aren't Peta responsible for a massive culling of the dogs it takes "into care"?

I'm sure that the homeless guy takes better care of the dog than himself.

ganmo

ted1 wrote: »

So why doesn’t the farmer do something about it? Sell direct. Open chains of health stores.

Look at the happy pear guys. Started with a fruit and veg shop. Now have a farm and turning over several million a year

Do they own and run the farm?
From what I've been told everything bar their original shop is branding ie they're getting paid to put their name on things

ted1

ganmo wrote: »

Do they own and run the farm?
From what I've been told everything bar their original shop is branding ie they're getting paid to put their name on things

Regardless, rather than whinging about the shop making the big mark up, there’s a big increase in people moving away from a meat based diet. So farmers should capitalise on it now.

ted1

Masifxx wrote: »

I see this million euro vegan advertising campaign here and in the UK is all funded from a small animal sanctuary in Meath. This sounds very fishy. Where is the money coming from?

Why should they have to say where it’s coming from?

the_syco

ted1 wrote: »

Why should they have to say where it’s coming from?

For anti-money laundering purposes.

gozunda

the_syco wrote: »

For anti-money laundering purposes.

Despite the huge budgets outlined - I see they have their Christmas appeal out on their FB page asking for donations which will be matched by a 'generous donor'.

I've never seen a setup which has so many animals which apparently just keel over and die ...

gozunda

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

On vegan funding, Mitsubishi are in a spot of bother for their support of 'activists' who stole pigs from a farm.
https://twitter.com/hubmaker/status/1215594858175434754?s=19
Apparently, they're looking into it but they're getting quite a hammering from UK farmers because of it atm.

What was the support given?

Buford T. Justice XIX

gozunda wrote: »

What was the support given?

Sponsored by Mitsubishi Motors on the top right.

They issued a press release yesterday evening noting that it had no control over the subject matter on the programme. But that programme will be looking for new sponsors pretty soon

Boredstiff666

ted1 wrote: »

Regardless, rather than whinging about the shop making the big mark up, there’s a big increase in people moving away from a meat based diet. So farmers should capitalise on it now.

It's already been explained to you but you just cant understand it. The farmers can't it just aint viable to switch like that. So they will go under or walk away.

If they do you are are all in ****e street......unless you can grow your own.

kerryjack

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It's already been explained to you but you just cant understand it. The farmers can't it just aint viable to switch like that. So they will go under or walk away.

If they do you are are all in ****e street......unless you can grow your own.

That's a bit dramatic

Panch18

Jjameson wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/EdenFarmedAnimalSanctuaryIreland/

There seems to be an awful lot of dead animals in that place for a “sanctuary”.

ted1

Jjameson wrote: »

If you were properly nourished with iodine and vitamin b12 rational logic wouldn’t be such a fallacy to you. An extraordinary budget for a half arsed kip. a farming family kept six lambs alive. I note from Facebook after much trumpet blowing the vegtards killed a fine big single lamb from neglect/ complete lack of basic sheparding skills.

They are not a political party, they accept donations so in your rational logic , I ask again why should they ?

ted1

the_syco wrote: »

For anti-money laundering purposes.

Haha.....That’s some nonsense .. if a financial audit was done then the results wouldn’t have to be made public

ted1

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

It's already been explained to you but you just cant understand it. The farmers can't it just aint viable to switch like that. So they will go under or walk away.

If they do you are are all in ****e street......unless you can grow your own.

We were talking how chopped for example sells a salad for 7 euro and the farmer gets very little, in that instance the farmer doesn’t need to switch. He needs to open his own chain and sell direct.

So you seem to be the one that can’t understand.

kerryjack

the_syco wrote: »

For anti-money laundering purposes.

Ya some of the hardened criminal gangs in Dublin are gome vegan and are funding the campaign.

hetuzozaho

kerryjack wrote: »

Ya some of the hardened criminal gangs in Dublin are gome vegan and are funding the campaign.

Dublin's new gangster, The Rabbit.

Unearthly

the_syco wrote: »

For anti-money laundering purposes.

Laugh my ass off

What a STUPID post

ganmo

Let's go through the facts
Eden sanctuary is a Ltd company being run like a charity by seeking donations from the public
Revenue of 3mill
In just over a year (17 to 18) they had 3 changes of directors.
Sandra higgins operates as a psychologist with irish qualifications despite sounding like shes American.

kerryjack

There is big money to be made by saving something save the donkey save the polo bear there is a youtuber I watch in the states he has a ranch of 5000 acres and only has 300 cattle roaming on it and he said he didn't have enough feed for the winter and he got donations of 50k dollars in 1 week.

ted1

ganmo wrote: »

Let's go through the facts
Eden sanctuary is a Ltd company being run like a charity by seeking donations from the public
Revenue of 3mill
In just over a year (17 to 18) they had 3 changes of directors.
Sandra higgins operates as a psychologist with irish qualifications despite sounding like shes American.

What makes you think it’s being run like a charity ?
It’s not for profit organisation. Says so on the website.

They accept donations, many wealthy animal lovers in the world , and commercial interest such as plant based food companies.


https://edenfarmedanimalsanctuary.com/about-us/

ganmo

ted1 wrote: »

What makes you think it’s being run like a charity ?
It’s not for profit organisation. Says so on the website.

https://edenfarmedanimalsanctuary.com/about-us/

Not for profit does not mean it's a charity. Search the charities register for eden and nothing comes up.

In this case I reckon any surplus/profit gets moved into go-vegan pockets

ganmo

By being run like a charity I mean seeking donations from the public for a cause

ted1

ganmo wrote: »

Not for profit does not mean it's a charity. Search the charities register for eden and nothing comes up.

In this case I reckon any surplus/profit gets moved into go-vegan pockets

I know that, I said it’s being run as a not for profit.
They don’t claim to be a charity.
You need to look up what a not for profit company Is