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Complaint against solicitor

  • 08-01-2020 8:35pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭


    Is there a professional body or other relevant,that i can write a letter of complaint to regarding a solicitor?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Nobbies wrote: »
    Is there a professional body or other relevant,that i can write a letter of complaint to regarding a solicitor?

    The law society


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭randomrb


    Its actually the Legal Services Regulation Authority since October last year;

    http://www.lsra.ie/en/LSRA/Pages/WP19000004


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    "The Complaints and Resolution Unit can be contacted from 10:00-12:30 and from 14:00-16:00";

    Some life!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭randomrb


    "The Complaints and Resolution Unit can be contacted from 10:00-12:30 and from 14:00-16:00";

    Translation : "Don't contact us..."
    all complaints must be submitted in writing

    Also the fact that a body established in 2019 has no system for online complaints is actually madness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    randomrb wrote: »
    Also the fact that a body established in 2019 has no system for online complaints is actually madness

    it seems
    The Complaints and Resolution Unit of the LSRA has a designated email address complaints@lsra.ie which can be used for the submission of complaints.

    "In writing" simply means "not verbally"


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  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,773 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    The reality is that people involved with lawyers are very very infrequently end up satisfied. It's not that the quality of the service is so frequently poor it's just literally that people who need legal professional services tend to be in the sh1t so to speak.

    As a result, many feel rightly or wrongly that they have grounds for complaint or grievance against their solicitor or, more commonly, against the lawyers on the other side.

    Having a complaints procedure that requires some kind of commitment from the prospective complainants acts as something of a filter for a nonsense complaints so that in theory only people with serious problems will commit to making a complaint.

    Of course in practice, even without phone and email complaints allowed, by far and away the vast majority of complaints against legal practitioners are frivolous and or vexatious if even reaching the threshold to consider whether they are frivolous or vexatious.

    The LRSA is quite good at updating its website and providing clear information to the public and even legal practitioners. So it's not that there's no one tech savvy in the office just that they've clearly consciously decided online complaint forms would be an unmitigated disaster for reasons already given.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    I sent my complaint in early Feb 2020 and a copy of my letter was sent to the other party for comment within 21 days. I complained on the level of intimidation and the number of threatening letters i receive from my landlord's lawyer.

    I just received their response, where they defend themselves by saying "I deny it all and no comment" and stating that the LRSA should not accept my complaint as he (the lawyer) was not appointed or paid by me and that I am just a "receiver" of their "correspondence".

    I hope that LRSA does not accept such explanation. If someone sends a response "I deny any wrongdoing" and claims that since he is not working for me then i have no right to complain, then would LRSA dismiss my complaint? I provided all copies of correspondence and additional evidence (RTB determination orders, statements from other tenants, audio recording, etc).

    If true, however, then the only people that can send a complaint to LRSA are those who appointed and paid for the legal representative and not those who are affected by their conduct.

    Since LRSA is relatively new, I dont know if they take such explanation seriously.

    Does anyone in here know if we, the "receivers" of the legal threats from lawyers of the opposite side, have a right to file a complaint or we should sit quiet and endure the disturbing behaviour of thugs in suits?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,638 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The LSRA is for complaints against a solcitor by the clients of that solicitor. you are not a client of the solicitor sending you those letters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    The LSRA is for complaints against a solcitor by the clients of that solicitor. you are not a client of the solicitor sending you those letters.

    ...so where do you suggest to send a complaint to if i am not the actual client of these thugs but "just a receiver"?


    In addition of reviewing and dealing with my complaint the LRSA contacts the Law Society themselves and sends them a copy of my complaint so it's actually logged in 2 places. Fine with me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,638 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ...so where do you suggest to send a complaint to if i am not the actual client of these thugs but "just a receiver"?


    In addition of reviewing and dealing with my complaint the LRSA contacts the Law Society themselves and sends them a copy of my complaint so it's actually logged in 2 places. Fine with me.

    i doubt the law society will care either. Sending "threatening" letters is part of what solicitors do. Perhaps it would be best to spend you energy resolving the situation that lead to the letters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    i doubt the law society will care either. Sending "threatening" letters is part of what solicitors do. Perhaps it would be best to spend you energy resolving the situation that lead to the letters.


    Thanks, that was helpful. Never thought of doing that. I will listen to your advice and send them a greeting card right away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭str8talkingguy


    I sent my complaint in early Feb 2020 and a copy of my letter was sent to the other party for comment within 21 days. I complained on the level of intimidation and the number of threatening letters i receive from my landlord's lawyer.

    I just received their response, where they defend themselves by saying "I deny it all and no comment" and stating that the LRSA should not accept my complaint as he (the lawyer) was not appointed or paid by me and that I am just a "receiver" of their "correspondence".

    I hope that LRSA does not accept such explanation. If someone sends a response "I deny any wrongdoing" and claims that since he is not working for me then i have no right to complain, then would LRSA dismiss my complaint? I provided all copies of correspondence and additional evidence (RTB determination orders, statements from other tenants, audio recording, etc).

    If true, however, then the only people that can send a complaint to LRSA are those who appointed and paid for the legal representative and not those who are affected by their conduct.

    Since LRSA is relatively new, I dont know if they take such explanation seriously.

    Does anyone in here know if we, the "receivers" of the legal threats from lawyers of the opposite side, have a right to file a complaint or we should sit quiet and endure the disturbing behaviour of thugs in suits?

    Corruption is rife currently nowhere as bad as in the legal system,you could try and find an honest guard which is no mean feat in itself,if the letters are becoming too much.

    But you might as well complain to Christy Kinahan about Daniel as go to the law society and complain about a solicitor,no matter how many fancy websites and ways they have to lodge complaints they are tighter than any mafia organisation.It will only make things worse for you,i wouldn't advise continuing that route personally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    Thanks, mate, you are probably right and my letter wont go anywhere far. But i guess i have to just wait a bit longer and see what response I'll get from the LRSA. They are new so they may just learn on my example of how to deal with the "receivers" who are not clients. That's why i dont expect much.
    The one positive thing that actually happened already is that the threats and letters stopped since beginning of Feb so that's something. And there will be a record of them in the LRSA database if someone ever needs any reference to prior cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Veeemcee


    To Curious 1002 - Just read your posts. I happen to have recently seen on LSRA website complaint form a section where the ‘complainer’ can get a signature from the aggrieved party authorizing him/her to make the complaint to LSRA on behalf of the aggrieved. Hope I read this correctly. Good luck. I will probably be lodging a complaint with LSRA myself. Pls let us know how you get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    Veeemcee wrote: »
    To Curious 1002 - Just read your posts. I happen to have recently seen on LSRA website complaint form a section where the ‘complainer’ can get a signature from the aggrieved party authorizing him/her to make the complaint to LSRA on behalf of the aggrieved. Hope I read this correctly. Good luck. I will probably be lodging a complaint with LSRA myself. Pls let us know how you get on.

    Thanks for that. Yes, this is correct. When I was filling out their form I had to mark if I am the client or maybe I am filing a complain on behalf of the client. If the further then I needed to obtain this person's signature.
    I think I am a third option which was not listed there - I am the receiver of the unlawful treatment by the lawyer and I complain on my own behalf. The LRSA is new so maybe they havent predicted the situation where the receiver files a case. It would be very strange if the Government established this newly created organisation (October 2019) and allowed only clients of the lawyers to file a complaint. My case was accepted by the LRSA and they are conducting investigation now, which I presume would not have taken place if I was not allowed to complain. They would simply reply to me that as I am not a client ten they can not take it on board.

    My case is still ongoing due to the covid-19 delay but I think it's at the last stage. I will certainly update this ticket with the result. There were some back and forth letters/emails exchanged between me, LRSA and the lawyer as everything I wrote is then posted/emailed to the solicitor and he has to post his response to the allegations back to LRSA, which then I get to see. I only see how he denies everything despite having a copy of his threatening letters and he asks the LRSA to throw the case away as I am "not his client". Goofball.

    But who knows, maybe he is right and only clients who were wronged by their lawyers can file a complaint. I would be super surprised if that was the case. If so then lawyers could throw random blows and threats at anybody who can not afford a legal aid and they will feel untouchable while the receivers sh*t their pants from fear cos they dont know the law or understand the lawyers' bluff.

    I will let everyone know what is the resolution of this case. I filed it on 23 Jan, they accepted it on 3 Feb 2020 and they give 21 days for each party to respond to each communication exchange, hence the process is long. Should be over in a few weeks though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Thanks for that. Yes, this is correct. When I was filling out their form I had to mark if I am the client or maybe I am filing a complain on behalf of the client. If the further then I needed to obtain this person's signature.
    I think I am a third option which was not listed there - I am the receiver of the unlawful treatment by the lawyer and I complain on my own behalf. The LRSA is new so maybe they havent predicted the situation where the receiver files a case. It would be very strange if the Government established this newly created organisation (October 2019) and allowed only clients of the lawyers to file a complaint. My case was accepted by the LRSA and they are conducting investigation now, which I presume would not have taken place if I was not allowed to complain. They would simply reply to me that as I am not a client ten they can not take it on board.

    My case is still ongoing due to the covid-19 delay but I think it's at the last stage. I will certainly update this ticket with the result. There were some back and forth letters/emails exchanged between me, LRSA and the lawyer as everything I wrote is then posted/emailed to the solicitor and he has to post his response to the allegations back to LRSA, which then I get to see. I only see how he denies everything despite having a copy of his threatening letters and he asks the LRSA to throw the case away as I am "not his client". Goofball.

    But who knows, maybe he is right and only clients who were wronged by their lawyers can file a complaint. I would be super surprised if that was the case. If so then lawyers could throw random blows and threats at anybody who can not afford a legal aid and they will feel untouchable while the receivers sh*t their pants from fear cos they dont know the law or understand the lawyers' bluff.

    I will let everyone know what is the resolution of this case. I filed it on 23 Jan, they accepted it on 3 Feb 2020 and they give 21 days for each party to respond to each communication exchange, hence the process is long. Should be over in a few weeks though.

    Curious you are making a complaint against the wrong party. Your complaint should be about your landlord and should be directed at RTB.
    If your landlord is harassing you via legal advice then you need to speak to RTB.
    That solicitor takes instruction from your landlord, not you.
    I don’t believe that your complaint about the conduct of a solicitor hired by a 3rd party will be upheld.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Curious you are making a complaint against the wrong party. Your complaint should be about your landlord and should be directed at RTB. That solicitor takes instruction from your landlord, not you.
    I don’t believe that your complaint about the conduct of a solicitor hired by a 3rd party will be upheld.


    Yes, my case against the landlord was filed with RTB in December 2019 and in Jan 2020 I won my case plus compensation. Since then my landlord's solicitor was sending me threatening letters saying that they will destroy me financially and will put me to jail if I dont stop talking to other tenants and dont stop taking photos of the building (my landlord owns 20 apts in the building). I consulted this matter with FLAC and was referred to LRSA, which I did.

    My landlord has appealed the RTB's Adjudication verdict and I was going to attend his appeal on 25 March 2020 but the case got adjourned due to Covid-19. Dont know the new date yet.

    I just looked at the LRSA website and see that indeed they updated their info.
    I see the answers to my questions in their FAQ, which is a great relief to me as it confirms that I can file a case even if I am not "the client":

    What can I complain about?
    • If you are a client of a practitioner you may complain about inadequate service and/or excessive costs. Time limits apply to complaints about these two categories.
    • Anyone can complain about alleged misconduct on the part of a legal practitioner and no time limit applies in such cases.

    Who can make a complaint about a legal practitioner?
    • If you are a client of a legal practitioner (which includes solicitors or barristers) you can make a complaint yourself; or someone else can make a complaint on your behalf.
    • Any person may make a complaint about alleged misconduct on the part of a legal practitioner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Yes, my case against the landlord was filed with RTB in December 2019 and in Jan 2020 I won my case plus compensation. Since then my landlord's solicitor was sending me threatening letters saying that they will destroy me financially and will put me to jail if I dont stop talking to other tenants and dont stop taking photos of the building (my landlord owns 20 apts in the building). I consulted this matter with FLAC and was referred to LRSA, which I did.

    My landlord has appealed the RTB's Adjudication verdict and I was going to attend his appeal on 25 March 2020 but the case got adjourned due to Covid-19. Dont know the new date yet.

    I just looked at the LRSA website and see that indeed they updated their info.
    I see the answers to my questions in their FAQ, which is a great relief to me as it confirms that I can file a case even if I am not "the client":

    What can I complain about?
    • If you are a client of a practitioner you may complain about inadequate service and/or excessive costs. Time limits apply to complaints about these two categories.
    • Anyone can complain about alleged misconduct on the part of a legal practitioner and no time limit applies in such cases.

    Who can make a complaint about a legal practitioner?
    • If you are a client of a legal practitioner (which includes solicitors or barristers) you can make a complaint yourself; or someone else can make a complaint on your behalf.
    • Any person may make a complaint about alleged misconduct on the part of a legal practitioner

    That’s very interesting curious thank you for bringing us up to date on this and for clarifying the position re RTB.
    I’d imagine this solicitor doesn’t even realise that a 3rd party can now make a complaint about a solicitor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    You appear to be a crank who has launched a vendetta against your Landlord. You will exhaust yourself and warp your life pursuing this stupid campaign


    Mod
    Relax TV - this is just a legal discussion forum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,998 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    OP is vague about what precisely is his complaint about the conduct of his landlord's lawyer, but he does say this:

    "My landlord's solicitor was sending me threatening letters saying that they will destroy me financially and will put me to jail if I dont stop talking to other tenants and dont stop taking photos of the building (my landlord owns 20 apts in the building)."

    Without actually seeing the letters sent by the landlord's solicitor, it's not clear that there is anything improper here. Obviously, there is a dispute between the OP and his landlord. Obviously, they both have a right of access to the courts in relation to that dispute - meaning, the landlord has a right to take the OP to court, if he wants to. If he has a right to do that, then he also has a right to warn the OP that he may do that, and he can instruct his solicitors to send a letter threatening proceedings, and advising of the possible outcome. Sending such a letter would certainly not be misconduct on the part of the solicitor. It would not be misconcoduct even if the solicitor's advice to the landlord was not to bring the proceedings.

    It might be misconduct if the letter was writting in an unprofessional tone, or threatened sanctions which were not in fact available. (The OP says the letter threatened to "put him to jail". Is the landlord accusing the OP of a crime, and saying he will report it to the guards? Or is he proposing to seek and injunction, and warning of the possiblity of committal if the injunction were breachged? Neither of those would be improper to mention in a solicitor's letter, if the circumstances warranted it.) Or it could be misconduct in a number of other ways.

    The bottom line is that you can't complain about a solicitor's letter just because it offends you, or is unwelcome to you. You have to point to some professionals standard that the solicitor has breached and, if you're not the client of the solicitor, it has to be a professonal standard owed to the community at large.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    Truthvader wrote: »
    You appear to be a crank who has launched a vendetta against your Landlord. You will exhaust yourself and warp your life pursuing this stupid campaign


    Mod
    Relax TV - this is just a legal discussion forum


    Since the moderator edited part of your text I can only imagine what insults you included in your message, while knowing zero about my case. You sound like a bitter landlord who would insult tenants no matter what the stand is.

    Mod
    This mod did not edit any post here


    Here is the link to the entire case I described back in November and which case I won against my landlord:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111880179

    Enjoy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    OP is vague about what precisely is his complaint about the conduct of his landlord's lawyer, but he does say this:

    "My landlord's solicitor was sending me threatening letters saying that they will destroy me financially and will put me to jail if I dont stop talking to other tenants and dont stop taking photos of the building (my landlord owns 20 apts in the building)."

    Without actually seeing the letters sent by the landlord's solicitor, it's not clear that there is anything improper here. Obviously, there is a dispute between the OP and his landlord. Obviously, they both have a right of access to the courts in relation to that dispute - meaning, the landlord has a right to take the OP to court, if he wants to. If he has a right to do that, then he also has a right to warn the OP that he may do that, and he can instruct his solicitors to send a letter threatening proceedings, and advising of the possible outcome. Sending such a letter would certainly not be misconduct on the part of the solicitor. It would not be misconcoduct even if the solicitor's advice to the landlord was not to bring the proceedings.

    It might be misconduct if the letter was writting in an unprofessional tone, or threatened sanctions which were not in fact available. (The OP says the letter threatened to "put him to jail". Is the landlord accusing the OP of a crime, and saying he will report it to the guards? Or is he proposing to seek and injunction, and warning of the possiblity of committal if the injunction were breachged? Neither of those would be improper to mention in a solicitor's letter, if the circumstances warranted it.) Or it could be misconduct in a number of other ways.

    The bottom line is that you can't complain about a solicitor's letter just because it offends you, or is unwelcome to you. You have to point to some professionals standard that the solicitor has breached and, if you're not the client of the solicitor, it has to be a professonal standard owed to the community at large.

    You might be absolutely right and the LRSA will conclude that the solicitor is not in breach of any law and has not committed any misconduct.

    I wish I could include the letter here for everyone to see what he wrote and how in the letter he called my friends "fat bold men" but I can't at the moment as the case is still ongoing. The letter came just 2 days after the Adjudication hearing where the landlord and his solicitor learnt that my neighbours wrote me statements about their own yet the very same experiences with LL. At the hearing I also presented 1 audio-recording i had about LL threatening my neighbours for speaking to me.

    In my opinion the breach occurred when a legal professional uses info presented at the case just 2 days prior and gives you 7 days to reply to the letter with confirmation that I will never speak to other tenants again and that I will never take photos of the car parking and my building (I was taking pics when preparing docs for my RTB case). The solicitor knew that he can not demand this as it's in my legal right to speak to anyone i want and to take pictures of the building where I live. It's like if you threaten someone with a series of legal actions if this person wont stop going for a walk.
    He included a text that if i dont send him my confirmation within 7 days then his client will seek an immediate court injunction against me. Also coverage of the costs of the injunction and they will commence proceedings to seek damages for the disruption to his business through harassment to his tenants. They will also seek court order to establish who my "fat bold friends" are who accompanied me when I spoke to my neighbours and they will also sue them...and finally they reserve the right to file a criminal complain of harassment of their client to gardai.

    I showed this letter to FLAC solicitor and she advised to go straight to LRSA, which I did, and not to reply to this goofball. Again, you might be right and officially the solicitor only acts on his client's instruction and does not break any law by his threats, but this letter really scared the crap out of me as I am not a legal person and I was truly frightened that they will now destroy me since the RTB Adjudication didnt go their way just 2 days before.

    LRSA will decide. They will probably only send him a warning or even nothing at all, but I must say that by me sending the complaint to the LRSA the threats and letters have stopped. So even if this is my only "win" then I am glad about that already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Actually Moderator did not edit my post.

    I think you are missing the point however which is probably my fault for using the word "crank". What alarmed me about your post was the admission that you had approached other tenants and photographed other buildings. This points to someone who has lost his way and is developing an obsession. The point I am making is that this will eat up your energy and alienate your friends and family who will get sick and tired of you going on and on.

    I accept you think you have a case (and you won round one) - and that will be determined on appeal one way or the other. Disassociate yourself and let the appeal process run. Whatever the result; drop it then.

    You don't have to take this advice but I would at least think about it.

    Read "Bleak House" by Charles Dickens if you want to understand the reality of litigation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Actually Moderator did not edit my post.

    I think you are missing the point however which is probably my fault for using the word "crank". What alarmed me about your post was the admission that you had approached other tenants and photographed other buildings. This points to someone who has lost his way and is developing an obsession. The point I am making is that this will eat up your energy and alienate your friends and family who will get sick and tired of you going on and on.

    I accept you think you have a case (and you won round one) - and that will be determined on appeal one way or the other. Disassociate yourself and let the appeal process run. Whatever the result; drop it then.

    You don't have to take this advice but I would at least think about it.

    Read "Bleak House" by Charles Dickens if you want to understand the reality of litigation

    I appreciate the advice, thank you. I actually forgot about my case and the appeal until someone has posted a question to this thread and I logged in to read it.

    1. My LL evicted 4 other tenants in similar circumstances in 2019, painted their flats and rented them out for at least E400 more without offering the place back to the old tenants. He was in process of demanding a massive illegal rent increase from 2 other tenants and when they objected he was telling them about the urgent need to renovate their places too, which was his usual operational system. Thankfully I obtained their willing statements and brought 1 tenant with me at the case to be a witness. It was the best thing I did and I encourage all tenants in any trouble with landlords to obtain statements and bring witness. It's an advice I received from Threshold, RTB and FLAC. There is nothing worse than just attend the hearing with your word and zero evidence because the other side will quickly dismantle you by saying "nope, never happened".

    2. I live in a building that I was photographing from the outside. I also brought photos of my own apt and photos of 3 other empty apts in my own building as well as Daft adverts. This won my case. Once again, to all tenants who read this post - take pictures of your building, your apt, empty apts, print shots of Daft adverts, etc. This is unbeatable evidence of the LL's illegal actions if he/she ever hands you a notice of termination quoting the urgent need of your apt for his daughter. Confirm any face-to-face conversation you had with your LL by sending him a text or email with points that were discussed. Adjudicator was looking for them and I didnt have everything but some. So those conversations that I didnt have in writing were disregarded on the spot. Lesson learnt.

    If you call obsessed of someone who prepares for the RTB case then yeah, all tenants who ever brought their LLs to RTB must be obsessed. But I admit, this case was eating me alive as I have never before had anything to do with courts and I was going there on my own while my LL brought an army of solicitors, family members and a barrister. I was delighted that it took only 1.5 month from filing the dispute to the hearing day.

    My family and friends know about everything but no, I dont bother anyone about anything. It's actually good to have a great circle of support. Threshold turned out to be superb too.
    This case has started by my LL's illegal action and I was responding by filing the dispute with the RTB as he refused any other form resolution. You may have a bad experiences yourself with your tenants and, indeed, I heard bad stories about tenants too but you have to judge each case individually. My LL is a crook operating the same system for years but I was hoping that I will not have to go as far as to file an RTB dispute to expose his dealings. By him filling an appeal everyone will be able to read about this case in details on the RTB website in a few months and hopefully it will serve as a warning/help to others.

    I am prepared for the appeal, the sooner the better. I will certainly update the thread with the outcome. Whats more, I will post here a date, time and a place of the hearing and you all can attend as the public is allowed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Not a landlord actually but know a bit about this kind of thing and have seen people consumed by injustices both real and imagined. Your Landlord seems like a chancer (though I expect like many Landlords he is enraged to some extent that he is being forced to rent his property at less than the market rent, thereby subsidising everyone else and is trying to get around that "injustice")

    So rock on but try to remain as detached and objective as you can. Remember that Courts and Tribunals distribute "Law" which is not justice. Read the papers; thugs and criminals routinely emerge whooping victoriously found "not guilty" when everyone knows the truth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 Jade2015


    I appreciate the advice, thank you. I actually forgot about my case and the appeal until someone has posted a question to this thread and I logged in to read it.

    1. My LL evicted 4 other tenants in similar circumstances in 2019, painted their flats and rented them out for at least E400 more without offering the place back to the old tenants. He was in process of demanding a massive illegal rent increase from 2 other tenants and when they objected he was telling them about the urgent need to renovate their places too, which was his usual operational system. Thankfully I obtained their willing statements and brought 1 tenant with me at the case to be a witness. It was the best thing I did and I encourage all tenants in any trouble with landlords to obtain statements and bring witness. It's an advice I received from Threshold, RTB and FLAC. There is nothing worse than just attend the hearing with your word and zero evidence because the other side will quickly dismantle you by saying "nope, never happened".

    2. I live in a building that I was photographing from the outside. I also brought photos of my own apt and photos of 3 other empty apts in my own building as well as Daft adverts. This won my case. Once again, to all tenants who read this post - take pictures of your building, your apt, empty apts, print shots of Daft adverts, etc. This is unbeatable evidence of the LL's illegal actions if he/she ever hands you a notice of termination quoting the urgent need of your apt for his daughter. Confirm any face-to-face conversation you had with your LL by sending him a text or email with points that were discussed. Adjudicator was looking for them and I didnt have everything but some. So those conversations that I didnt have in writing were disregarded on the spot. Lesson learnt.

    If you call obsessed of someone who prepares for the RTB case then yeah, all tenants who ever brought their LLs to RTB must be obsessed. But I admit, this case was eating me alive as I have never before had anything to do with courts and I was going there on my own while my LL brought an army of solicitors, family members and a barrister. I was delighted that it took only 1.5 month from filing the dispute to the hearing day.

    My family and friends know about everything but no, I dont bother anyone about anything. It's actually good to have a great circle of support. Threshold turned out to be superb too.
    This case has started by my LL's illegal action and I was responding by filing the dispute with the RTB as he refused any other form resolution. You may have a bad experiences yourself with your tenants and, indeed, I heard bad stories about tenants too but you have to judge each case individually. My LL is a crook operating the same system for years but I was hoping that I will not have to go as far as to file an RTB dispute to expose his dealings. By him filling an appeal everyone will be able to read about this case in details on the RTB website in a few months and hopefully it will serve as a warning/help to others.

    I am prepared for the appeal, the sooner the better. I will certainly update the thread with the outcome. Whats more, I will post here a date, time and a place of the hearing and you all can attend as the public is allowed.
    Best of luck in your appeal. Your LL sounds like a bully. I hope his other tenants who feel they are in a similar situation take their case to RTB too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Veeemcee


    Hi Curious1002

    Now I'm the curious one! Did you ever get any final result for your complaint against LL's solicitor? Is it still ongoing? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see you win your case. Can you update us, please?

    Best, Vee


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Curious1002


    Veeemcee wrote: »
    Hi Curious1002

    Now I'm the curious one! Did you ever get any final result for your complaint against LL's solicitor? Is it still ongoing? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see you win your case. Can you update us, please?

    Best, Vee

    Sadly, not yet. My last correspondence with the LRSA was at the beginning of May when they forwarded me the solicitor's letter who, obviously, denied any wrongdoing and demanded the LRSA to throw away my complaint. The LRSA said that now they have all the required docs and will review everything asap. It's almost 3 months and I heard nothing.
    You actually reminded me about it and I just sent an email to LRSA asking to update me about this case.

    How is your case going?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Veeemcee


    Thanks for reply, Curious. Had trouble starting anything with LRSA during.Covid slowdown. My case is not as clear as yours would seem to be. Mine deals with super slow progress and lack of any reasonable feedback from Solr. which seems to be a common occurrence. But I fear that LSRA may also work in slo’ mo’.
    Best of luck with your case. Vee


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