FUE Hair Transplant

Nodferatu

Anybody had this done? Price in Ireland and UK is way too expensive considering Turkey. Need advice and tips. Would appreciate help and where to look.

Omar82

Nodferatu wrote: »

Anybody had this done? Price in Ireland and UK is way too expensive considering Turkey. Need advice and tips. Would appreciate help and where to look.

I’m looking into it myself. Turkey seems to be 20% of the cost of the likes of HRBR, but I’m nervous about going there to have it done for the obvious reasons.

Smile clinic in Istanbul seems to get good reviews but again hard to know if they’re genuine or not.

Can you post here if you get any further info as I’m in the exact same boat as yourself by the sounds of it

Nodferatu

Omar82 wrote: »

I’m looking into it myself. Turkey seems to be 20% of the cost of the likes of HRBR, but I’m nervous about going there to have it done for the obvious reasons.

Smile clinic in Istanbul seems to get good reviews but again hard to know if they’re genuine or not.

Can you post here if you get any further info as I’m in the exact same boat as yourself by the sounds of it

I'll look Into smile. Have also come across another place called Qunomedical which get a lot of good reviews also.

HBC08

Do not go through Quon medical. They are a middleman and dont aleays give best advice.

They run the Hair loss Crusaders fb which i would recommend joining.However be aware that the group is heavily censored and bad reviews are not allowed.Also youre not allowed mention any clinics which they dont rep for.

The Hair loss Conquerers fb group is a much better group.It was set up by ex members of the other group who saw through the whole charade.People are very supportive of eachother.

The main thing is to do lots of research.
Dont jump into anything,there are literally 100s of clinics is Istanbul and Smile is not one of the good ones.

Nodferatu

HBC08 wrote: »

Do not go through Quon medical. They are a middleman and dont aleays give best advice.

They run the Hair loss Crusaders fb which i would recommend joining.However be aware that the group is heavily censored and bad reviews are not allowed.Also youre not allowed mention any clinics which they dont rep for.

The Hair loss Conquerers fb group is a much better group.It was set up by ex members of the other group who saw through the whole charade.People are very supportive of eachother.

The main thing is to do lots of research.
Dont jump into anything,there are literally 100s of clinics is Istanbul and Smile is not one of the good ones.

Thanks for the advice. This does go against everything I been researching for the last few months. Basically everything I thought was good is not and Qunomedical isn't great? I'm at a loss to be honest. One person says one clinic is great, another says it's rubbish. One person recommends a certain Dr. Another says stay away from them. I don't know what to think.

iebamm2580

If you want to be sure pay the extra money and have it done by a reputable doc such as feridini or bisanga in belgium, alot of horror stories from turkey with overharvesting, a lad at work went and tbh he has patches on his donor area now where he was over harvested, i went to Dr nel in dublin at 6 months so cant say final results yet but i really would not have been comfortable going to turkey and airports and all that comes with it. For the sake of a few thousand euro more i stayed here and had such a hassle free experience but i wont know final results for few months yet.

HBC08

iebamm2580 wrote: »

If you want to be sure pay the extra money and have it done by a reputable doc such as feridini or bisanga in belgium, alot of horror stories from turkey with overharvesting, a lad at work went and tbh he has patches on his donor area now where he was over harvested, i went to Dr nel in dublin at 6 months so cant say final results yet but i really would not have been comfortable going to turkey and airports and all that comes with it. For the sake of a few thousand euro more i stayed here and had such a hassle free experience but i wont know final results for few months yet.

I agree with most of this but I wouldnt/didnt have procedure in Ireland.
if youre looking at the €2k price range in Turkey then you are taking a risk.The dr will draw the hairline and thats it.So you have a team of techs (qualifications for techs in Turkey are laughable ) performing a complicated medical procedure on you,its madness.What i will say is the tech could have preformed 100s of ops and be good,or you could have a guy on his first day,its not worth the risk.
If you pay a bit more say €3-4k you can minimise the risks by getting the dr to make the incisions and maybe a bit more like do some of the extractions and implanting and maybe be in the room directing techs for a portion of the op.
After that you are looking at medium to high end surgeons and paying per graft.

My recommendation would be Fue capillar in Istanbul.Very unusual in that its a completely dr led op from start to finish,he even does the entire implantation himself (this is never done entirely by dr even if you paying €15k plus)
I havent been to him myself but that sounds good to me.Lots of pics and reviews on the hair conquerers fb group.


Hope this helps.

HBC08

iebamm2580 wrote: »

If you want to be sure pay the extra money and have it done by a reputable doc such as feridini or bisanga in belgium, alot of horror stories from turkey with overharvesting, a lad at work went and tbh he has patches on his donor area now where he was over harvested, i went to Dr nel in dublin at 6 months so cant say final results yet but i really would not have been comfortable going to turkey and airports and all that comes with it. For the sake of a few thousand euro more i stayed here and had such a hassle free experience but i wont know final results for few months yet.

Can i ask how many grafts and price please?

HBC08

By the way this was my experience with Irish clinics
I had contacted Blackrock and i knew they were expensive,however after much vagueness and back and forth emails they eventually admitted their price to me.....€10 per graft,the most expensive i found anywhere in the world after 2 years of research!
I also had an in person consultation with another crowd Ailsbury Hair Clinic.Put me off immediately as they were talking in terms of hairs rather than grafts,the also got a bit defensive when i started asking some in depth questions.They wanted €5k for 3000 "hairs "Also they didnt recommend or prescribe finiesteride.
its a minefield out there!

ps,If staying in Ireland Dr Nel whilst not cheap seems to be a good option.

HBC08

@iebamm,
I tried to pm you but your message box is full

Miky10

Nodferatu wrote: »

Anybody had this done? Price in Ireland and UK is way too expensive considering Turkey. Need advice and tips. Would appreciate help and where to look.

Check out tir na nÒg clinic they are a fraction of the price of HRBR and the are based in north Dublin.

Panic Stations

I too can vouch for Tir na Nog clinic.

Was in there last week with Dr Kevin and he really knows his stuff. Also much much cheaper than Blackrock too.

funkey_monkey

Stem Cell Micro Transplantation:

http://www.vie-aesthetics.com/5-things-you-must-know-about-hairloss-and-hairgrowth/

Anyone know much about this?
I thought this type of treatment was not available yet? They charge £2k.

paddyuibh

Hi Guys.

Im looking at getting mine done to, if I was to guess I'd say Id need 4-5000 grafts.

Ive emailed both Ailsbury Clinic and Tir Na Nog clinics.

Ailsbury only do FUE treatment and tir na nog does both FUE/FUT.

Ailsbury told me that average cost with them is 5000k. €50 assessment fee. Tir na nog gives free assessment along with price.

Has anyone experience witj either?

Any good? Cost?

Rikand

HBC08 wrote: »

By the way this was my experience with Irish clinics
I had contacted Blackrock and i knew they were expensive,however after much vagueness and back and forth emails they eventually admitted their price to me.....€10 per graft,the most expensive i found anywhere in the world after 2 years of research!
I also had an in person consultation with another crowd Ailsbury Hair Clinic.Put me off immediately as they were talking in terms of hairs rather than grafts,the also got a bit defensive when i started asking some in depth questions.They wanted €5k for 3000 "hairs "Also they didnt recommend or prescribe finiesteride.
its a minefield out there!

ps,If staying in Ireland Dr Nel whilst not cheap seems to be a good option.

Not prescribing finesterise was one of the main reasons I went with them for mine. The potential negative side effects of finesteride is not something I could ever subject myself to. They prescribe saw palmetto as their DHT blocker. A more natural remedy with no known side effects. Actually its shown to also be beneficial in keeping a healthy prostate, double win!

It's just over 3 months since I had my transplant with ailesbury. Happy enough so far. Little hairs are just starting to poke through the skin. Fingers crossed it all keeps going well

Tommy Pickle

I've have just had mine done with Dr Nel 2 weeks ago.

He is definitely not cheap and its borderline whether I feel its value for money to be honest, However you do get great service, its a very easy experience and the whole process fills you with confidence. His consultation fee is €200, he explains everything to you in this, how many grafts you need, and gives you a prescription for finasteride if you want to take it (there is no point in getting it done if you aren't taking a DHT blocker that works).

I have a friend who got it done in Turkey, came back and still didn't know about DHT blockers, that finasteride even existed, didn't know that the new hairs would fall out and regrow as thin baby hairs making it a long term project. They told him absolutely nothing, took his money, moved the hair around and dropped him back to the hotel. But to be fair he paid really small money for it so perhaps it was value for money.

HBC08

Rikand wrote: »

Not prescribing finesterise was one of the main reasons I went with them for mine. The potential negative side effects of finesteride is not something I could ever subject myself to. They prescribe saw palmetto as their DHT blocker. A more natural remedy with no known side effects. Actually its shown to also be beneficial in keeping a healthy prostate, double win!

It's just over 3 months since I had my transplant with ailesbury. Happy enough so far. Little hairs are just starting to poke through the skin. Fingers crossed it all keeps going well

The possible negative side effects of finisteride are well known.My point is they didn't even give you the option or explain the pros and cons,just said we dont prescribe it and that was a red flag for me.Its a very important part of hair loss and restoration .
I took it myself for 8 years with no side effects and great results.I only stopped taking it as was about to start a family and I will go back on it in the future.
Im currently taken Saw Palleto like yourself.I hope your clinic explained there are no clinical trials at all to say it works with hairloss.
Anyway,best of luck with it and hope you get a giid result.

mrcheez

Why did you stop taking it when starting a family?

HBC08

mrcheez wrote: »

Why did you stop taking it when starting a family?

It make your sperm watery and it shouldn't come in contact with pregnant women (finisteride,not the sperm!)

mrcheez

HBC08 wrote: »

It make your sperm watery and it shouldn't come in contact with pregnant women (finisteride,not the sperm!)

Interesting cheers

Tommy Pickle

mrcheez wrote: »

Why did you stop taking it when starting a family?

It hasn't been linked to any fetal abnormalities but it also hasn't been tested in women during pregnancy so it is recommended that if you are planning to sire a child that you go off the Fin for a couple of months prior, just so its out of your system.

And just my 2 cents, my semen isn't any more 'watery' on it.

mrcheez

Tommy Pickle wrote: »

It hasn't been linked to any fetal abnormalities but it also hasn't been tested in women during pregnancy so it is recommended that if you are planning to sire a child that you go off the Fin for a couple of months prior, just so its out of your system.

And just my 2 cents, my semen isn't any more 'watery' on it.

If you go off Finasteride doesn't that mean all the hair will fall out and that was being "held back" or am I completely missing the way it works?

I imagine that when you go back on it, the hair doesn't magically regrow.

Tommy Pickle

mrcheez wrote: »

If you go off Finasteride doesn't that mean all the hair will fall out and that was being "held back" or am I completely missing the way it works?

I imagine that when you go back on it, the hair doesn't magically regrow.

Going off it for a few months doesn't really effect it once you're going back onto it.

And there is no magic, like if you take it today as a 30 year old man that hasn't taken it in his whole life and your hair loss stabilizes or your hair thickens, why wouldn't it continue to be effective after a few months off the drug.

It certainly isn't something that is designed for men to come on and off as they want and keep a good head of hair. The idea is to keep taking it until you don't care about having a good head of hair anymore.

There is a great Youtube Chanel that does videos and addresses all things hair loss from start to finish. Worth a watch for anyone considering any part of the treatments that are out there.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Z6GxYsW9EdvnUjqpGIbQA/videos

HBC08

I stopped taking finesteride when i was 38 having taking it since the age of 30 or so.Im 41 now and hair loss has greatly speeded up in that time.
Both the big two (minoxidil and finisteride) are a lifetime commitment.
Sounds like a lot of hassle but it's not,just have it on the bedside locker and take it first thing the morning.

Rikand

HBC08 wrote: »

The possible negative side effects of finisteride are well known.My point is they didn't even give you the option or explain the pros and cons,just said we dont prescribe it and that was a red flag for me.Its a very important part of hair loss and restoration .
I took it myself for 8 years with no side effects and great results.I only stopped taking it as was about to start a family and I will go back on it in the future.
Im currently taken Saw Palleto like yourself.I hope your clinic explained there are no clinical trials at all to say it works with hairloss.
Anyway,best of luck with it and hope you get a giid result.

no clinical trials no, the success of it is all anecdotal. My hair certainly seems a lot thicker around the edges than it did before but I dont know if thats down to the Saw or down to the wonderful shampoos and serums im applying also lol

Rikand

HBC08 wrote: »

I stopped taking finesteride when i was 38 having taking it since the age of 30 or so.Im 41 now and hair loss has greatly speeded up in that time.
Both the big two (minoxidil and finisteride) are a lifetime commitment.
Sounds like a lot of hassle but it's not,just have it on the bedside locker and take it first thing the morning.

The stress of having children can also increase the speed of hair loss too lol just as an fyi

suave.4u

Has anyone given DHI a try? I went there the other day and their range is 3-5K.
They also say that they use Choi pen hair transplant which is like the latest and all procedures are done by Doctors and not technicians.
The prices look great when compared to Dr Nel and Blackrock.

mrcheez

Calculon6000 wrote: »

Oral minoxidil is even more effective than finasteride at regrowth if people want to avoid the side affects of finasteride.

Is that better than the topical variant like foam? My thinking on the topical one is that you're liable to miss parts where it needs to be applied.

Does it cost more than topical and does it need a prescription?

mrcheez

Calculon6000 wrote: »

It's much more effective, yes you need a prescription to get it, it was originally prescribed for hypertension so the Doctor needs to check your blood pressure is normal before prescribing. But the amount you take for your hair is much lower than what was prescribed for hypertension.

and roughly what's the cost?

HBC08

Rikand wrote: »

no clinical trials no, the success of it is all anecdotal. My hair certainly seems a lot thicker around the edges than it did before but I dont know if thats down to the Saw or down to the wonderful shampoos and serums im applying also lol

Yeah it's definitely making my nails grower much quicker as well!
Im going to take it for the foreseeable future.

suave.4u

suave.4u wrote: »

Has anyone given DHI a try? I went there the other day and their range is 3-5K.
They also say that they use Choi pen hair transplant which is like the latest and all procedures are done by Doctors and not technicians.
The prices look great when compared to Dr Nel and Blackrock.

Anyone?

suave.4u

Tommy Pickle wrote: »

I've have just had mine done with Dr Nel 2 weeks ago.

He is definitely not cheap and its borderline whether I feel its value for money to be honest, However you do get great service, its a very easy experience and the whole process fills you with confidence. His consultation fee is €200, he explains everything to you in this, how many grafts you need, and gives you a prescription for finasteride if you want to take it (there is no point in getting it done if you aren't taking a DHT blocker that works).

I have a friend who got it done in Turkey, came back and still didn't know about DHT blockers, that finasteride even existed, didn't know that the new hairs would fall out and regrow as thin baby hairs making it a long term project. They told him absolutely nothing, took his money, moved the hair around and dropped him back to the hotel. But to be fair he paid really small money for it so perhaps it was value for money.

Tommy how many grafts did you have. can you provide a bit more detail.
Was this unshaven?

at9qu5vp0wcix7

So FUE is pointless without DHT blockers? For me they are out of the question due to side effects, but I was still planning on FUE for a Norwood I.

mrcheez

Franco Baresi52 wrote: »

Well no, you could use oral minoxidil which is more effective than finasteride.

Why do they default to prescribing Finasteride over Minoxidil ?

iebamm2580

Minoxidil does not stop further loss.

Tommy Pickle

Riley Fluffy Bark wrote: »

So FUE is pointless without DHT blockers? For me they are out of the question due to side effects, but I was still planning on FUE for a Norwood I.

In my opinion all hair transplants are pointless without taking DHT blockers. It seems simple enough to me, the transplanted hair remains while the rest of your hair continues to fall out, who wants to pay for a procedure for something like that to happen?

Tommy Pickle

suave.4u wrote: »

Tommy how many grafts did you have. can you provide a bit more detail.
Was this unshaven?

Yeah I only had the back and sides shaved so I can cover the new transplanted hair with my own hair. it looks like I’ve never had anything done now to be honest as the back and sides have grown back in a bit. I’m really happy about this to be honest because I didn’t want to be shaved bald. You pay a bit extra for not being shaved though it must be said.

I paid for 2500 grafts, he said he usually put in about 10% extra so I got 2800 grafts in the end.

You can Pm me if you have any questions you want to ask it’s no worries.

mrcheez

Tommy Pickle wrote: »

Yeah I only had the back and sides shaved so I can cover the new transplanted hair with my own hair. it looks like I’ve never had anything done now to be honest as the back and sides have grown back in a bit. I’m really happy about this to be honest because I didn’t want to be shaved bald. You pay a bit extra for not being shaved though it must be said.

I paid for 2500 grafts, he said he usually put in about 10% extra so I got 2800 grafts in the end.

You can Pm me if you have any questions you want to ask it’s no worries.

What's the aftercare regime like?

Do you need to avoid sleeping on the area for a day or so, or keep applying disinfectant every few hours to the areas where the hair was taken from to avoid infection?

Tommy Pickle

mrcheez wrote: »

What's the aftercare regime like?

Do you need to avoid sleeping on the area for a day or so, or keep applying disinfectant every few hours to the areas where the hair was taken from to avoid infection?

You need 2 weeks off work for a start. You cant sleep on the transplanted hair for a week - 10 days, you sleep with a few pillows and kinda upright, and using an airplane pillow is helpful. This is more important over the first 4 days to let fluids and swelling run out of your head.

Dr Neil gives a spray that you should spray on every half hour while you're awake, again most important for the first few days.

You wash it one day with just water and the next with baby shampoo, this goes on for 2 weeks then you go back to using normal shampoo.

You go back to Dr Nel after about 10 days and if you've any scabs still left he
will wash them off and have a look at everything.

Your hair wont grow in thick for the guts of a year so he doesn't bring you back then for a critical look at the job until the 10 month mark.

Tommy Pickle

mrcheez wrote: »

Is that better than the topical variant like foam? My thinking on the topical one is that you're liable to miss parts where it needs to be applied.

Does it cost more than topical and does it need a prescription?

Just on the oral Monoxidil. Monoxidil makes you grow hair, so when taken orally it can make hair grow anywhere/everywhere on the body. Thats why they produced the foam/spray, the topical form allows you to just get hair growth on the area of your body that you want it, ie the head.

Rikand

Tommy Pickle wrote: »

You need 2 weeks off work for a start. You cant sleep on the transplanted hair for a week - 10 days, you sleep with a few pillows and kinda upright, and using an airplane pillow is helpful. This is more important over the first 4 days to let fluids and swelling run out of your head.

Dr Neil gives a spray that you should spray on every half hour while you're awake, again most important for the first few days.

You wash it one day with just water and the next with baby shampoo, this goes on for 2 weeks then you go back to using normal shampoo.

You go back to Dr Nel after about 10 days and if you've any scabs still left he
will wash them off and have a look at everything.

Your hair wont grow in thick for the guts of a year so he doesn't bring you back then for a critical look at the job until the 10 month mark.

That's a carbon copy of the post op procedure with Ailesbury too. Would imagine its the same in almost all clinics

Clint01

Hi All, hope you are all keeping well and safe. New to this and have read your forum here. Just wondering if any of you had any further experience? Also Also @Tommy how happy were you with Dr Nel? I am looking to go see him. On Finasteride and Regaine for 3 months and haven't seen any difference. Did it take long for any of you to see much improvement from these drugs? If Blackrock are 10 per graft. How does Dr. Nel compare? Thanks Everyone.

snoopboggybog

Any before and 6 months after pictures? Surely you just go bald again in a year or two?

HBC08

Clint01 wrote: »

Hi All, hope you are all keeping well and safe. New to this and have read your forum here. Just wondering if any of you had any further experience? Also Also @Tommy how happy were you with Dr Nel? I am looking to go see him. On Finasteride and Regaine for 3 months and haven't seen any difference. Did it take long for any of you to see much improvement from these drugs? If Blackrock are 10 per graft. How does Dr. Nel compare? Thanks Everyone.

It will take about 2-3 months before you see any results from minoxidil,similar timeframe with finesteride in my experience.
Forget about Blackrock, €10 per graft is the most expensive price I found anywhere in the world,there's a reason they don't have pricing on their site and it took a lot of over and back before they even admitted this price to me.
What's your budget?
For €2.5 -€4 a graft you could be going to some of the best and most well known surgeons in the world.

Rikand

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Any before and 6 months after pictures? Surely you just go bald again in a year or two?

I'm at the 6month mark and could show you mine, but it wouldn't really be an accurate reflection of the total growth you should expect to see at completion.

Before and 1 year to 18 month after pictures are what you are looking for

All transplanted hair that takes hold in the first couple of weeks remains and doesn't fall out again. Taking the DHT blockers holds the remaining hair that would otherwise have been lost to Male Pattern Baldness.

Not everyone will get full coverage first time out. I won't for example as my total hair loss was beyond the point of a single transplant. I'm getting enough done to keep me happy for now and then review in a couple of years time to having a second procedure to fill in whats missing at the front and start working my way back towards the crown which I have had no filling on.

I wanted to try and focus on getting a good front to start with and worry about the crown later

Tommy Pickle

Clint01 wrote: »

Hi All, hope you are all keeping well and safe. New to this and have read your forum here. Just wondering if any of you had any further experience? Also Also @Tommy how happy were you with Dr Nel? I am looking to go see him. On Finasteride and Regaine for 3 months and haven't seen any difference. Did it take long for any of you to see much improvement from these drugs? If Blackrock are 10 per graft. How does Dr. Nel compare? Thanks Everyone.

I'm really happy with mine so far. I am just over 3 months post op and the hair is already well on the way to growing and I already look better. Im sure the final results will be excellent going by how its looking st this very early stage.

I found the Dr Nel great and I would recommend him to anyone who could afford it at approx €4 per graft, I couldn't fault the experience. He is a very straight man who gives you the facts, explains all possible treatments and doesn't try to push you into anything. No salesmen involved.

billy king

iebamm2580 wrote: »

If you want to be sure pay the extra money and have it done by a reputable doc such as feridini or bisanga in belgium, alot of horror stories from turkey with overharvesting, a lad at work went and tbh he has patches on his donor area now where he was over harvested, i went to Dr nel in dublin at 6 months so cant say final results yet but i really would not have been comfortable going to turkey and airports and all that comes with it. For the sake of a few thousand euro more i stayed here and had such a hassle free experience but i wont know final results for few months yet.

Where is Dr Nel based?

iebamm2580

billy king wrote: »

Where is Dr Ne based?

Was malahide, has move to a new facility in swords i think now.
https://www.hair-skin-wellness.com/about-dr-andre-nel/

billy king

suave.4u wrote: »

Anyone?

I went there for a consultation and it seemed ok ? Did you go ahead with it?
How much did Dr Nel quote you?

Clint01

Tommy Pickle wrote: »

Yeah I only had the back and sides shaved so I can cover the new transplanted hair with my own hair. it looks like I’ve never had anything done now to be honest as the back and sides have grown back in a bit. I’m really happy about this to be honest because I didn’t want to be shaved bald. You pay a bit extra for not being shaved though it must be said.

I paid for 2500 grafts, he said he usually put in about 10% extra so I got 2800 grafts in the end.

You can Pm me if you have any questions you want to ask it’s no worries.

Hi Tommy,

I went to Dr Nel and am deciding between 2 dates of when to get it done. I need 1400 grafts. Just wondering if you mind helping me decide? Option 1 is in July, I would be getting it done on a Sat. I am working from home at minute so would be in work the following Monday and if I had to have a Zoom call etc plan to pop on a cap. My worry here is if I would be fit to work on laptop from the Monday and if I can pull off the various Zoom calls and take proper care of the transplant. We are on holidays first 2 weeks in August. This is option 2 as we had planned a trip abroad but have cancelled. We plan to do 10 days in Ireland now. Would get it done on the Sat and go away with the family on the Wednesday. I would love to be able to get it in July as then would be mostly recovered by holiday in August but feel I might be dreaming. Thanks for reading.

mrcheez

Clint01 wrote: »

I am working from home at minute so would be in work the following Monday and if I had to have a Zoom call etc plan to pop on a cap.

Just say your camera driver is having issues after a Windows update and you're going to need to disable the camera for a few days?

There is actually a Windows update causing havoc at the moment on some computers.


I always leave my camera off these days, can't be arsed people knowing how bad my self-haircuts look

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