Cattle dealers

bosallagh88

Heard a story of a cattle dealer getting mart printouts altered by 80 a head on a load of bullocks before delivering them do you think Is this practice common ?

patsy_mccabe

bosallagh88

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I know 80 sounds steep probably exaggerated but I’m just wondering is it common place for them to add on say 50 a head

epfff

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Heard a story of a cattle dealer getting mart printouts altered by 80 a head on a load of bullocks before delivering them do you think Is this practice common ?

I dobt they get them all altered by 80 that often
Id say the norm would be only 20 or 30 added on to a few of the cheeper ones before buyer sees sheet
But anything is possible

Cavanjack

Often see dealers cattle ran through the ring and bid up by the auctioneer a 100 more than they would be worth and then ran out without the hammer falling. Must be some trick in it.

bosallagh88

Cavanjack wrote: »

Often see dealers cattle ran through the ring and bid up by the auctioneer a 100 more than they would be worth and then ran out without the hammer falling. Must be some trick in it.

As in cattle unsold that didn’t meet the dealers reserve?

epfff

bosallagh88 wrote: »

As in cattle unsold that didn’t meet the dealers reserve?

No id say they sold/put down to a customer they or one of there buddies are buying for
Or
They have a dead cert customer watching that they will soft soap for half hour expalaining that they refused x amount

Cavanjack

epfff wrote: »

No id say they sold/put down to a customer they or one of there buddies are buying for
Or
They have a dead cert customer watching that they will soft soap for half hour expalaining that they refused x amount

The latter I’d say.

Lady Haywire

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Heard a story of a cattle dealer getting mart printouts altered by 80 a head on a load of bullocks before delivering them do you think Is this practice common ?

I worked in marts for quite a few years & never seen it or was asked to do it. Can you imagine the ruckus if the seller seen the sheet/heard about the changed price down the yard. They'd demand the higher one!

Not saying it can't be done though, but I wouldn't trust a mart if they were at that craic.

_Brian

I’d say this was a tall tale to wind someone up that gets a dealer to source stock for them.

Can’t see mart staff having the time nor inclination to do it.

Millionaire only not

Auctioneers always have lads if they get caught with cattle !
They return them the favor another day !
Catching mr.nobody to pay for there mistake!

visatorro

I wouldn't put anything past dealers or auctioneers. Both look after each. But both are needed if your selling stock. It's very random, dealers could turn their nose up at stock or drive each other mad bidding.
But if your depending on time wasters anonymous (done deal) for selling your in bother aswell!

Albert Johnson

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I worked in marts for quite a few years & never seen it or was asked to do it. Can you imagine the ruckus if the seller seen the sheet/heard about the changed price down the yard. They'd demand the higher one!

Not saying it can't be done though, but I wouldn't trust a mart if they were at that craic.

+1 on the above, I also work and spend a fair bit of time in the marts and don't see how the logistics of this practice would work. Yes it could be done in theory but there's too much of a risk imo of being found out. The mart is a public place and people talk, I'm sure you'd soon be found out and whoever you were selling the cattle to probably wouldn't be too pleased and other potential customers would be weary of dealing with you in future.

Secondly puting €80 a piece on a bundle of cattle will more than likely leave them dearer than average. I know lads say dealer's buy cattle cheap but this isn't always the truth, they buy both cheap and not so cheap and try to balance the "average" across the bundle. I fail to see how you could buy multiple bundles of stock that could carry another €80 a piece of an increase and still look to be value for money. As above it can and may happen occasionally but I'd struggle to see it being a regular thing for any dealer or otherwise.

Hagimalone

Would it not work where for instance a dealer buys into his name and sells again from his own yard with a commission of so much ahead plus mart price. I known of a few lads that sell like that.

Not saying they are altering the though

Anto_Meath

There are a few dealers I would guess would like to try this kind of thing and maybe years ago with hand written dockets it could have happened but I would guess its unlikely now. I do know of a genuine case a few years back were cattle a dealer was selling to a farmer / finisher and the lad working in the yard questioned the weight of the cattle, (he knew he would be blamed for the poor performance. Cattle all weighed 50 kgs less than stated on the docked, dealer tried to say they lost it between the mart and the farmers yard. But I don't think this would happen as much now. But I personally wouldn't buy cattle off a dealer based on a mart dock price, I would value them at what I think they are worth and take it from there.

Sheep breeder

One dealer who buys for a lot of feeders is on 25 a head for buying and delivery of cattle.this is possible added to the docket by the mart and pay the dealer by contra.

Albert Johnson

Adding on money to the sales docket in the form of transport costs, buyer's commission ect would be standard practice. However I struggle to see how a figure of €80 per animal could be incurred, usually it's €20-30 a head and this would oftentimes include transport. I know of a few lads that operate by selling cattle out of there own yard on a price on the mart sheet + a set commission fee basis (€30 a head being the fee in one such setup).

Lady Haywire

Sheep breeder wrote: »

One dealer who buys for a lot of feeders is on 25 a head for buying and delivery of cattle.this is possible added to the docket by the mart and pay the dealer by contra.

Ah but that's normal. Altering the cattle price is not!
You had the option to add X amount as cash given out & give the buyers the cash there & then. There was also a transport option to add cash onto but was rarely used, more usual to see it taken off as sellers fees. Export fees were 9 per head back then too as Northern buyers were more common. So these all totted up to the balance on the invoice would then include this & whoever received the cattle would send on cheque or sometimes the dealer had one on their behalf.

dohc turbo2

Hagimalone wrote: »

Would it not work where for instance a dealer buys into his name and sells again from his own yard with a commission of so much ahead plus mart price. I known of a few lads that sell like that.

Not saying they are altering the though

The movement rules stopped a share of that , I see a dealer in the local mart he buys cattle and puts into the farmers herd no for that reason