Ulster vs Munster, Fri 3 Jan, 7:35pm, Eir

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troyzer wrote: »

I knew someone would bring up the number of rucks he hit.

Like that's something deserving of a central contract, a starting green jersey and legions of fans.

The POM selection issue is just an argument you can't have. The defence is always some mythical influence. The "nuisance" argument is a particularly bewildering one.

On his day he's great but not spectacular, on others there are numerous better fits for his position.

Great game in the end. Ulster set up nicely for next week whilst Munster are not in good shape.

troyzer

Granny15 wrote: »

It’s where games are won and lost - the breakdown!

That must be why Ulster had a clean ball the whole game despite the ruck master.

Quit while you're ahead. POM has been ****e for a year now.

Burkie1203

On POM

6 carries for 3 metres
Given away 2 pens
4 tackles
His leadership when hisbteam were getting spanked was standing around hands on hips.

He should not be in the Irish 23 on current form.

Well that was enjoyable. Great to see Ulster play positive rugby and get such an emphatic result. McCloskey is right the scoreline didn't reflect the game, gap should have been bigger.

letowski

Stringer is making fair points about Munster. We simply don't have enough good ball carriers in our squad and we have been blown out of it in the contact area by Leinster and Ulster. Murray's slow tempo doesn't help either. Very worrying, were screwed really when we dont have CJ and Farrell. But we need to find a few hefty ball carriers to properly release our outside backs, because we do have some nice attacking talent in Conway, Earls, Haley, Daly, etc on the outside.

thomond2006

Akrasia

Bazzo wrote: »

He deserved the yellow for pure ****ing stupidity if nothing else.

He deserved the yellow for doing something that was barely even a penalty never mind a yellow card offense? Nice logic there

Squidgy Black

Pretty disastrous result to set Munster up ahead of a massive game next week.

DOC and Fla seem to be absolutely fuming in the studio.

awec

No lineout, still win comfortably.

That must surely set off alarm bells down in Limerick.

typhoony

Billy Burns is a better all round out-half than Carbury, he's talented attacking off front foot but game management and defensively he's just not good enough. I've always had that opinion and I'm convinced Byrne will be ahead of Carbury

Akrasia

Bridge93 wrote: »

How long can the ‘new system’ excuse be rolled out for?

Daly been far and away Munsters best player. Carbery gone ok with little to work with. Ulster look a very decent side. Building nicely. Hopefully they give clermont a proper crack

The new system will take a year to develop into something cohesive. South Africa were terrible, a laughing stock, and then they won some big games but were inconsistent, and then they were world champions all within about 2 years

Akrasia

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Pretty disastrous result to set Munster up ahead of a massive game next week.

DOC and Fla seem to be absolutely fuming in the studio.

We’re giving racing a false sense of security

This is all part of the Schmidtesq master plan

Faugheen

Tommy Bowe making the point how McFarland doesn’t seem to be struggling to implement his systems.

Van Graan has had around a year on McFarland and looks like he hasn’t gotten anywhere. Questions should have been asked about him last year but the finger was pointed to Jones. Now they look no better especially when they’re at full stock (as Clegg pointed out).

Bazzo

Akrasia wrote: »

He deserved the yellow for doing something that was barely even a penalty never mind a yellow card offense? Nice logic there

Lol

mogwai81

I was pleasantly surprised by Shane Daly's defence tonight. He has always looked dangerous with ball in hand, but he also made some great one on one tackles!

Granny15

Burkie1203 wrote: »

On POM

6 carries for 3 metres
Given away 2 pens
4 tackles
His leadership when hisbteam were getting spanked was standing around hands on hips.

He should not be in the Irish 23 on current form.

He comes up with big moments in big games. England line out steal NZ tracking back for grubbed kick and gathering. There have been numerous more. He turns it on in very big matches and delivers when it counts. Not many can say that

troyzer

Granny15 wrote: »

He comes up with big moments in big games. England line out steal NZ tracking back for grubbed kick and gathering. There have been numerous more. He turns it on in very big matches and delivers when it counts. Not many can say that

Both were over a year ago.

POM was never a productive backrow which was unusual but he got away with it because of his ability to break games open. He doesn't do that anymore. He's just an empty shirt hovering around doing **** all.

He's still capable of a big game, I thought he was our best player in the quarter final. But he's not even our second best option at six at the moment for me.

Burkie1203

Granny15 wrote: »

He comes up with big moments in big games. England line out steal NZ tracking back for grubbed kick and gathering. There have been numerous more. He turns it on in very big matches and delivers when it counts. Not many can say that

That was in 2017 and 2018. Its 20fcuking20 now. He has been crap. His team, that he is captaining got their asses handed to them on a plate tonight and all he could do was stand around with his hands on hips.

Sorry but he should not be anywhere near the Irish 23 in the 6n based on his form currently. Hopefully AF learns from Schmidt's mistaken attempts to play Murray back into form last year and puts a team on the park who are in form.

Faugheen

Granny15 wrote: »

He comes up with big moments in big games. England line out steal NZ tracking back for grubbed kick and gathering. There have been numerous more. He turns it on in very big matches and delivers when it counts. Not many can say that

Like in the RWC quarter final when he gave away the most ridiculous penalty when we finally had a shot at the NZ line before half time?

That NZ game was well over a year ago. When the going gets tough he goes missing. I said it after the Wales game in the 6N and I was laughed at. Many more are seeing the light now.

If you think that was a ‘solid’ performance then Ireland deserve to be perennial losers.

Clegg

As far as first hit outs go Carbery's couldn't have gone much worse. It's very hard to play behind a pack that's getting pummelled, but there were times when Munster had front foot ball and he continuously made the wrong decisions. He loved playing that short pop to a forward or 12 on the crash, but it never got them over the gain line. Pretty sure he also ignored teammates in space out wide just so he could play that pop pass.

I firmly believe he has the ability to be a quality 10.But he's running out of time to show he's good enough to be in the 23 for the Six Nations. And if this is how Munster are going to play in the big games he's simply at the wrong club.

razorblunt

Granny15 wrote: »

He comes up with big moments in big games. England line out steal NZ tracking back for grubbed kick and gathering. There have been numerous more. He turns it on in very big matches and delivers when it counts. Not many can say that

You can’t just rely on “big moments”, Schmidt and Ireland talked that kind of ****e before the QF too, the odds on out of form players all having that, at the same time? No chance.


It should put be taboo to say guys like POM and Murray are not the great players they once were, they’re on the decline.
POM and Munster now remind me of Gerrard and Liverpool in the last few seasons and I say that as a Munster and Liverpool fan!!

AlfaZen

All this POM bashing sounds like the bashing Heaslip got from the other provinces 5/6 years ago.
I just want Farrell to pick a young squad from the get go and build on it for next 4 years. I don’t care where these players are from. Just look at what’s available and build the best young squad possible.
We have young capable leaders in Ryan and Ross Byrne- build the squad around them.

Granny15

Clegg wrote: »

As far as first hit outs go Carbery's couldn't have gone much worse. It's very hard to play behind a pack that's getting pummelled, but there were times when Munster had front foot ball and he continuously made the wrong decisions He loved playing that short pop to a forward or 12 on the crash, but it never got them over the gain line. Pretty sure he also ignored teammates in space out wide just songs could play that pop pass.

I firmly believe he has the ability to be a quality 10.But he's running out of time to show he's good enough to be in the 23 for the Six Nations. And if this is how Munster are going to play in the big games he's simply at the wrong club.

Carbery commits defenders. Ross Byrne doesn’t. He also has the ability to break the line and score because he has pace. Ross Byrne doesn’t. When you get through the phases that tells when you come up against tired props out in the back line. Enough said

typhoony

Granny15 wrote: »

Carbery commits defenders. Ross Byrne doesn’t. He also has the ability to break the line and score because he has pace. Ross Byrne doesn’t. When you get through the phases that tells when you come up against tired props out in the back line. Enough said

not sure on stats but Ross Byrne seems to have added line-breaks to his game in the last 12 months

Dave_The_Sheep

Was Ross Byrne playing tonight or something?

Squidgy Black

All of this talk about POM and Carbery/Byrne is just taking away from the real point at hand.

Balacoune can tackle.

Clegg

Earls has quietly gone about being a bit poo since before the World Cup. Need to start rethinking certain nailed on positions for red and green maybe.

Faugheen

Clegg wrote: »

Earls has quietly gone about being a bit poo since before the World Cup. Need to start rethinking certain nailed on positions for red and green maybe.

A strong performance from Dave Kearney tomorrow and the suggestion of him being in the team doesn’t look so ridiculous. Stockdale played well and Conway also in form despite being fairly quiet tonight.

thomond2006

Clegg wrote: »

Earls has quietly gone about being a bit poo since before the World Cup. Need to start rethinking certain nailed on positions for red and green maybe.

I wonder how fit he is. He played through injury in Japan.

shootermacg

Clegg wrote: »

Earls has quietly gone about being a bit poo since before the World Cup. Need to start rethinking certain nailed on positions for red and green maybe.

Sorry to say it, but I agree. He's been very poor in defense.