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WandaVision - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,458 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    So fake Pietro was just that. Not X-Men Pietro.
    Was waiting for Agnes to say where she got him or his image from


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    So fake Pietro was just that. Not X-Men Pietro.
    Was waiting for Agnes to say where she got him or his image from

    I wouldn’t rule out something happening there. It might be
    explained later down the line as some sort of subconscious link to a multiverse and that’s why he manifested in that form. If it’s just a wink to the audience as some sort of meta casting joke then it’s a waste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,320 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Back story helpful for people like me who had no idea who she was or where she came from

    Tied up some questions from the show too


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    I might be reading too much into this, but the shows Twitter account, given how it's phrased, seems to hint that there'll be 10 episodes..

    https://twitter.com/wandavision/status/1365300592462073863


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭tbahh


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    I might be reading too much into this, but the shows Twitter account, given how it's phrased, seems to hint that there'll be 10 episodes..

    It seems right. Sounds like 9th episode might have been broken up into 2 parts?

    After this episode, I felt like one more wouldn't really be enough to wrap it all up.

    Still have to find out how Agnes got called to Westview. Someone said it on here last week but I'd say she will be given her own Disney+ TV series now to explore her witchcraft origins - and also due to that darn catchy theme tune song. Maybe call it Agatha (Almost) All Along, though. Will probably become an antihero character like others in MCU.

    Fantastic episode going into backstory and now that Wanda has been given her new title, the X-Men will no doubt be joining soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    horgan_p wrote: »
    Paul Bettany to win troll of the year 2021.

    "There is one character that has not been revealed. And it is very exciting. It is an actor I've longed to work with all of my life. We have some amazing scenes together and I think the chemistry between us is extraordinary and fireworks on set."

    Answer :
    Himself

    A master class in trolling, IF it turns out to be the case...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,573 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    GSPfan wrote: »
    I wouldn’t rule out something happening there. It might be
    explained later down the line as some sort of subconscious link to a multiverse and that’s why he manifested in that form. If it’s just a wink to the audience as some sort of meta casting joke then it’s a waste.

    I'd much prefer if it's just a nod to the audience. I've said it before but they can't bring in the Fox X-men. Everything about them is so muddled with different actors in the same roles, a huge amount of retconning and convulted storylines, plus there's only so much more you could get out of some of the actors at this stage. Even this fake version of Pietro was a teenager in the 70's when he first appeared in Days of Future Past. It makes no sense that he'd be a multiverse version of Wanda's brother.

    I thought it was a genius move to have fake Pietro be the actor from the Fox X-men films for the recast joke and as fan-service to the audience, but to try tie it in any logical way into the MCU really just isn't worth it.

    When it comes to the X-Men in the MCU, Marvel would be much better off wiping the slate clean and starting afresh. Hell even Deadpool largely ignored the Fox films with just maybe the odd reference or small cameo appearance, but went with completely different versions of Colossus & Juggernaught.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    GSPfan wrote: »
    Well i think we are completely caught up with what is going on with that episode.
    Does anyone feel like this is a retcon series now? They are basically saying she had the power all along and the mind stone juiced it up. I think Wanda is going to be the first X gene mutant revealed in the MCU. They are basically reinventing her as The Scarlet Witch character who is a mutant.

    That’s what it seems like to me.

    Well given the time Pietro & Wanda were introduced into the MCU in The Winter Soldier mid credits and Strucker referring to them both as Miracles, they found a workaround to Marvel not having certain rights at the time, and now they'll be able to straight up say
    yeah she's a mutant, has been all along.

    And just like you said,
    the mind stone simply juiced up her X-Gene


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 2,610 Mod ✭✭✭✭horgan_p


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    A master class in trolling, IF it turns out to be the case...

    Mid credits scene


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    horgan_p wrote: »
    Mid credits scene

    I know this, but I still think there's one more ace up the sleeve/TA-DA/Holy **** moment coming.

    But IF that does turn out to be what Bettany was talking about, then tip of the hat to him for reeling in everyone who thought otherwise, hook, line and sinker


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Hold on, what was that power source at the end? a stark bomb?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Hold on, what was that power source at the end? a stark bomb?
    The drone they sent in.

    It gobbled some of Wanda's energy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    Penn wrote: »
    When it comes to the X-Men in the MCU, Marvel would be much better off wiping the slate clean and starting afresh.

    You’ll get no argument from me on that one. I think Quicksilver is unique in that the Fox-verse has used the same character so i can allow a bizarre link to that actor, but if they attempt to get Hugh Jackman, Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy or any of them to crossover I’ll be completely against it. Jennifer Lawrence is the most overrated thing in Hollywood.

    I’m hoping to see a long term build up of the mutant storyline without them rushing straight to an X-Men team up. But if
    Wanda has the x gene and it was in the MCU all this time then there could be a Wakanda style reveal where they’ve been sneakily there all along off camera and they were just really good at hiding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    GSPfan wrote: »
    You’ll get no argument from me on that one. I think Quicksilver is unique in that the Fox-verse has used the same character so i can allow a bizarre link to that actor, but if they attempt to get Hugh Jackman, Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy or any of them to crossover I’ll be completely against it. Jennifer Lawrence is the most overrated thing in Hollywood.

    I’m hoping to see a long term build up of the mutant storyline without them rushing straight to an X-Men team up. But if
    Wanda has the x gene and it was in the MCU all this time then there could be a Wakanda style reveal where they’ve been sneakily there all along off camera and they were just really good at hiding.

    Well you might get your wish for a long term build up to X-Men, if anything Marvel have shown they won't rush, just look at 2012 Avengers as an example, and how they slowly came together through Phase 1, then the big team up movie and beyond.

    That and with everything under one umbrella with Feige at the helm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    If fake Pietro goes nowhere as this episode suggests then what a waste of time that was, especially given they're going down the multiverse route anyway. I'd see the casting of Evans as less of a clever nod but more of a pointless wind up that wasn't needed.

    Hopefully Harkness has only partly got her story right about what Wanda is. I'd be astounded if Evan Peters signed up for.....that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Pietro still presumably had super speed.

    Agatha said she mind-controlled him. Didn't mention giving him super-powers, I don't think.

    Maybe it was all illusion, but she seemed to indicate that what Wanda was doing was well beyond her capabilities, so whipping up a super-speed spell for a regular dude seems a stretch.

    There's clearly more to come from him, as we saw him with Captain blue eyes whatsherface... Lietenant Trouble, when she was nosing around Agatha's gaff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    The best episode of the series by a distance.

    They could have made 2 episodes out of that content and cut one or 2 of the earlier goofball sitcom episodes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Trolling fans of X-Men was an interesting tactic for Marvel to immediately use.
    Penn wrote: »
    I'd much prefer if it's just a nod to the audience. I've said it before but they can't bring in the Fox X-men. Everything about them is so muddled with different actors in the same roles, a huge amount of retconning and convulted storylines, plus there's only so much more you could get out of some of the actors at this stage. Even this fake version of Pietro was a teenager in the 70's when he first appeared in Days of Future Past. It makes no sense that he'd be a multiverse version of Wanda's brother.

    I thought it was a genius move to have fake Pietro be the actor from the Fox X-men films for the recast joke and as fan-service to the audience, but to try tie it in any logical way into the MCU really just isn't worth it.

    When it comes to the X-Men in the MCU, Marvel would be much better off wiping the slate clean and starting afresh. Hell even Deadpool largely ignored the Fox films with just maybe the odd reference or small cameo appearance, but went with completely different versions of Colossus & Juggernaught.

    I dont think you will like multiverse much if you are expecting all timelines to be seamless...theres time fudges in the MCU if people want to get into technicalities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭joficeduns1


    The emotional beats hit in this episode were phenomenal.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Trolling fans of X-Men was an interesting tactic for Marvel to immediately use..

    I will hold out hope for next week. The more I think about it sure, Wanda's power origin makes sense if she's "just" a witch, but it doesn't answer how Pietro/Peter was granted his.

    If I had to guess, Agatha has got some things right but not everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,573 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Trolling fans of X-Men was an interesting tactic for Marvel to immediately use.


    I dont think you will like multiverse much if you are expecting all timelines to be seamless...theres time fudges in the MCU if people want to get into technicalities.

    Not seamless, but it should have some semblance of internal logic to it, same way the time travel of Endgame did. But the Fox X-Men logic is completely f*cky on its own without trying to incorporate it into the MCU in any meaningful way (bar maybe quick cameos or references).

    Trying to take the Fox X-Men and history from the previous movies and actually fold them into the MCU would be a disaster imo, and not worth the hassle.

    It's why I never thought Evan Peters was the Fox version of Quicksilver entering the MCU. It just didn't make any sense. It was a way of having Quicksilver in the show without Aaron Taylor Johnson (again, I'm guessing he didn't want to return unless he shows up in the last few episodes which is still possible though given they've really limited even showing him footage of him from Age of Ultron I'd say looking unlikely), while also playing into the TV trope of recasting an actor, and surprising the fans at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    Zardoz wrote: »
    The best episode of the series by a distance.

    They could have made 2 episodes out of that content and cut one or 2 of the earlier goofball sitcom episodes.

    While i have no real issue with any of the show so far I do think the double black and white style episodes at the start was maybe too much. Cutting one of them and adding another at the end would have got my vote.


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    In relation to Agatha being good or bad, it really felt like she was putting on an act of being evil. Everything she seems to have done in the show seems to be almost therapeutic for Wanda. She's just got unusual means.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,360 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Re characters from another universe.
    Maybe there's more to this little Spider-man easter egg then we thought.

    We all just assumed somebody thought that JK Simmons was irreplaceable so don't replace him but what if it is some first hint to the walls between different Marvel universes breaking down.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    flazio wrote: »
    Re characters from another universe.
    Maybe there's more to this little Spider-man easter egg then we thought.

    We all just assumed somebody thought that JK Simmons was irreplaceable so don't replace him but what if it is some first hint to the walls between different Marvel universes breaking down.

    Its almost like the multiverse means different versions of JK Simmons JJ Jameson around. Or maybe its just Marvel trolling again.

    If the Fox-Verse is a mess god help anyone tryna accept the Sony-verse.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    whoa, whoa, whoa
    But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
    If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

    So, is he back?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,162 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Maybe the finale next week Wanda sets off a chain of events that works through the next few series and films that ends with Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness


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    kerplun k wrote: »
    whoa, whoa, whoa
    But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
    If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

    So, is he back?

    She's bonded with the mindstone so maybe she is bonded with his mind? So she could output the image of his mind in terms of psychology minus the memories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,162 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    kerplun k wrote: »
    whoa, whoa, whoa
    But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
    If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

    So, is he back?

    Or Hayward faked that CCTV.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    In relation to Agatha being good or bad, it really felt like she was putting on an act of being evil. Everything she seems to have done in the show seems to be almost therapeutic for Wanda. She's just got unusual means.

    I don't think Agatha is bad as such. She sees what Wanda is capable of and thinks she is incredible dangerous. She sees Wanda as the bad one.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    kerplun k wrote: »
    whoa, whoa, whoa
    But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
    If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

    So, is he back?

    I'm guessing it's a fake video Hayward created.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭nothing


    I'm guessing it's a fake video Hayward created.

    Did it show that? I thought it showed her blowing the doors, which in the new context isn't a big deal, and her going into the lab, again in the new context means less, but did it actually show her taking the body parts? I'll have to rewatch that episode, but I think it was just clever manipulation of the footage of her implying she stole the body. If it did show her actually taking the body, could hayward have used a skrull to fake it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    In relation to Agatha being good or bad, it really felt like she was putting on an act of being evil. Everything she seems to have done in the show seems to be almost therapeutic for Wanda. She's just got unusual means.

    Yeah she seems to be pushing Wanda to her limit to test her and see what makes her tick. I'm not convinced that she's the villian, just a neutral-evil superpowered witch intrigued/spooked by sensing an impossible release of power and possibly an imbalance/shift in the world. At the end she seemed more disappointed in Wanda for what she sees has her wasting her powers. She may end up becoming a mentor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,534 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't think Agatha is bad as such. She sees what Wanda is capable of and thinks she is incredible dangerous. She sees Wanda as the bad one.
    Well she did turn her coven and her mother into prunes....not to mention kidnapping the kids (even if they aren't real) oh and killing the dog...so I am edging towards bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    gmisk wrote: »
    Well she did turn her coven and her mother into prunes....not to mention kidnapping the kids (even if they aren't real) oh and killing the dog...so I am edging towards bad

    Good point re. Sparky.


    No coming back from that. #TeamSparky


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Yeah she seems to be pushing Wanda to her limit to test her and see what makes her tick. I'm not convinced that she's the villian, just a neutral-evil superpowered witch intrigued/spooked by sensing an impossible release of power and possibly an imbalance/shift in the world. At the end she seemed more disappointed in Wanda for what she sees has her wasting her powers. She may end up becoming a mentor?

    Well in the comics
    Agatha is a sometimes mentor to Wanda
    , so you might be onto something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Poor Sparky. It’s a shame he had to get caught up in all this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    aaaannnnd *exhalesss*

    whew.. Wandas Story!

    Then! That mid credits scene! Need the next episode like.. now!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    There's a clear image going around of Wanda's fleeting vision of herself, it's a beauty.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Took a 2nd viewing for me to catch the Thor: Ragnarok reference included in the episode.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Took a 2nd viewing for me to catch the Thor: Ragnarok reference included in the episode.

    What was the reference?


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭shawki


    There's a clear image going around of Wanda's fleeting vision of herself, it's a beauty.

    It’s looks amazing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,978 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Very interesting to see how Wandas powers are not solely from the stone which as many like myself who've only watched the movies would assume so.

    Also is
    vision 2.0 in the mid credit science a comic an original concept or has it been touched on before in the comics?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,725 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    klose wrote: »
    Very interesting to see how Wandas powers are not solely from the stone which as many like myself who've only watched the movies would assume so.

    Also is
    vision 2.0 in the mid credit science a comic an original concept or has it been touched on before in the comics?

    White Vision is from the comics, he's basically a copy of Vision... And also a part of Wonder Man


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,072 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    klose wrote: »
    Very interesting to see how Wandas powers are not solely from the stone which as many like myself who've only watched the movies would assume so.

    Also is
    vision 2.0 in the mid credit science a comic an original concept or has it been touched on before in the comics?

    Been done in the comics, complete with a new colour scheme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    I was kind of disappointed by this episode. I felt that it totally did away with the best twists in the previous episodes like Fox universe Pietro and it being "Agatha All Along." Fox universe Pietro appearing was the first main introduction of the multiverse, which we know is coming. I grew up as an enormous X-Men comic fan and I hated the Fox X-Men movies. But I loved the twist of Evan Peters appearing as Pietro. I never took it to be a sign that the X-Men coming to the MCU would in any way be the Fox X-Men just an acknowledgement that those movies existed and the Pietro was the one character who'd appeared in both. If he's really just a random Westview resident that Agatha cast a spell on to think he was Pietro, that's extremely disappointing. This episode also spoiled last weeks reveal about Agatha. It wasn't her all along. She had nothing to do with any of it and is just as clueless as anyone. I always like Agatha, from her first days as Franklin Richards' nanny, so I'm happy for her not to be a villain. But that she's just a clueless witch who 'all along' was just bumbling about trying to find out what was going on, is also disappointing.

    This episode also just goes reverts to backing up what we saw from the end of episode two, Wanda is responsible for everything happening in Westview because she is grieving. Presumably next week, we'll find out that's not actually true and Hayward somehow engineered the whole thing. He was clearly needling her by showing her Vision being dismantled as he wanted her to resurrect him. He even told her that she had the power to do that and was watching her with anticipation as she took in the view of him in pieces. I'm assuming that he was responsible for putting the deed to the plot for the house in Westview in her car and when she arrived some external force he arranged/knew about triggered her to hex the whole town. So presumably next week, things will get more complex again but this week really took the complexity that had been building up and wiped a lot of it away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    I slight underwhelmed by that particular episode. I'll be interested to watch it back and examine Agatha's methods, at times it would she wanted Vision to discover the truth and there were times where she was trying to stop him discovering it.

    It was a good episode but overall it didn't really push the plot forward unlike episode 4 which opened a whole new side of the plot, this was just filling holes that needed to be filled. It is interesting that the Vision in the Hex appears to be a new entity, I would a gree with a previous poster who said that Hayward showed the footage of Wanda opening the door and entering the room in a way that made it seem more forceful but I don't think we saw her take or leave with the body.

    There's a lot to wrap up in one episode so it would want to be at least an hour I think.

    It seems to me that the Evan Peters casting is going to be the new "Mandarin" controversy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭RedRochey


    So we're thinking that Evan Peters was just a nod to the fox movies and a bit of fan service? That it's not the introduction of the multiverse

    Maybe Marvel just underestimated how much fans would love to see the x men in the MCU


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    FunLover18 wrote: »

    It seems to me that the Evan Peters casting is going to be the new "Mandarin" controversy.

    Yeah I feel there's a comparison there. I will wait until next week before making judgement but to me, what they've done here isn't clever. It's cynical.

    Next week will be interesting because depending on how it goes, I won't be too pushed watching Falcon and the Winter Soldier as it's released week to week.


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