WandaVision - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

gmisk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hahn is such a wonderful comedy actor, think I first encountered her in Parks and Rec. Hope this opens up more roles for her, she has wonderful range.

Totally agree, loved that character.
PONCHO!

If you haven't seen Mrs Fletcher before it is well worth a watch she is front and centre in it, still classified as comedy seemingly but a world away, she is brilliant in it.

Slydice

7: Oh I wasn't expecting

that line about killin Sparky! That turned it from a fun jingle to a WHAT!!?!?

Thought the credits scene was good!

PsychoPete

To be honest I'm not really feeling this so far, it has its good moments but overall I could take it or leave it. Seeing as it's seven episodes in, I'll watch the rest of the season. Not a big fan of the sitcom style but I like all the little easter eggs or nods to other stuff. Kind of feels like this could have been a film and it would have done the same job

iguana

Deleted User wrote: »

Was this the first ep with a mid credit scene?

I think there being an mid/end credit scene in this episode signifies that Wanda's sitcom vision is over. We're now back in the MCU and the MCU has these scenes.

brevity

Elizabeth Olsen is very pretty.

Awesomeness

PsychoPete wrote: »

To be honest I'm not really feeling this so far, it has its good moments but overall I could take it or leave it. Seeing as it's seven episodes in, I'll watch the rest of the season. Not a big fan of the sitcom style but I like all the little easter eggs or nods to other stuff. Kind of feels like this could have been a film and it would have done the same job

If its done the same job of a film then that's mission accomplished.

Awesomeness

brevity wrote: »

Elizabeth Olsen is very pretty.

That's a given. What is more evident is that Elizabeth Olsen is an amazing actress.the tone changes had made her a real stand out for me

Awesomeness

Awesomeness wrote: »

That's a given. What is more evident is that Elizabeth Olsen is an amazing actress.the tone changes had made her a real stand out for me

First encountered her in Martha Marcy Mae Marlene and I would say she's one of the best actors out there. One concern about her being stuck in Marvel verse and not facing the challenges she would elsewhere. But must say she's shining in this. Do hope she goes back to normal cinema at some point in near future.

Roar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hahn is such a wonderful comedy actor, think I first encountered her in Parks and Rec. Hope this opens up more roles for her, she has wonderful range.

She’s so so good in Parks and Rec. In a show filled with strong performances she really stands out as exceptional. An absolute delight in every scenes she’s in.

And it’s the same in Wandavision. She’s knocking it out of the park every week

FunLover18

I do not remember Hahn in Parks and Rec at all, was she in to for long?

I think the first thing I saw her in was Step Brothers, fantastic comedic performance. I feel she's played a lot of those comic side characters or best friends. She's kind of the successor to Joan Cusack, another brilliant and underrated actress.

Warbeastrior

FunLover18 wrote:

I do not remember Hahn in Parks and Rec at all, was she in to for long?

She was a recurring character. She was a campaign manager who would help Leslie's opponent usually.

She was brilliant in it.

iguana

FunLover18 wrote: »

I do not remember Hahn in Parks and Rec at all, was she in to for long?

While she was just a recurring character she had what was probably the single best one word line of the whole series. As already quoted upthread; PONCHO.

OU812

Love Hahn. She's got great comic timing

iguana

iguana wrote: »

While she was just a recurring character she had what was probably the single best one word line of the whole series. As already quoted upthread; PONCHO.

I guess you had to be there

GSPfan

I’m loving this show. Everything about it I’m loving. I’m delighted it’s a tv show and not a movie as trying to stuff this into a 2 hour movie would be horrific.
The tv show format inside the show is also such a fun idea and something I haven’t seen before.

The Agatha jingle was genius. It replaced the standard speech a villain normally gives to the hero when they reveal themselves.

I’m genuinely wishing away the days to get to the next episode. FATWS has a lot to live up to after Wandavision.

iguana

Can other comicbook readers answer a question on Agatha. I'll spoiler it to be on the safe side.

Do you consider her a villain? I have never taken Agatha to be a straight up villain. She's got her own agenda sure, but she's a hero/ally more often than an antagonist. She was Franklin Richard's nanny for many years and protected him and other FF members at times. Her relationship with Wanda is complex but she is often someone who helps her out.

iguana

iguana wrote: »

Can other comicbook readers answer a question on Agatha. I'll spoiler it to be on the safe side.

Do you consider her a villain? I have never taken Agatha to be a straight up villain. She's got her own agenda sure, but she's a hero/ally more often than an antagonist. She was Franklin Richard's nanny for many years and protected him and other FF members at times. Her relationship with Wanda is complex but she is often someone who helps her out.

I had to Google her and that's the impression I got too.

iguana

iguana wrote: »

Can other comicbook readers answer a question on Agatha. I'll spoiler it to be on the safe side.

Do you consider her a villain? I have never taken Agatha to be a straight up villain. She's got her own agenda sure, but she's a hero/ally more often than an antagonist. She was Franklin Richard's nanny for many years and protected him and other FF members at times. Her relationship with Wanda is complex but she is often someone who helps her out.

This is all supposition based on the show... One thing that I don't think is clear is how much Agnes is actually doing. Her song for example indicates that much of her role has been breaking the TV show so things begin to break and Vision started to break free. So I have a suspicion that most of the reality is still manufactured by Wanda. I'm not sure if Agnes is doing something truly nefarious.

Wolverine359

GSPfan wrote: »

I’m loving this show. Everything about it I’m loving. I’m delighted it’s a tv show and not a movie as trying to stuff this into a 2 hour movie would be horrific.
The tv show format inside the show is also such a fun idea and something I haven’t seen before.

The Agatha jingle was genius. It replaced the standard speech a villain normally gives to the hero when they reveal themselves.

I’m genuinely wishing away the days to get to the next episode. FATWS has a lot to live up to after Wandavision.

My sentiments exactly, I agree with every single thing you’ve said here. It really is a delightful show, and the evolving sitcom within the show is just so original and fun. I love Elizabeth Olsen’s performance in the role of the American housewife and mother just trying to do her best in this strange situation that she’s found herself in. Really do look forward to Friday’s more than ever, and I’ll be sad when it comes to an end.

FunLover18

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is all supposition based on the show... One thing that I don't think is clear is how much Agnes is actually doing. Her song for example indicates that much of her role has been breaking the TV show so things begin to break and Vision started to break free. So I have a suspicion that most of the reality is still manufactured by Wanda. I'm not sure if Agnes is doing something truly nefarious.

But the song says she was behind it all? She introduced Pietro at a pivotal moment when Vision was getting close to the truth but at the same time I see where you would get that impression because it also showed her deliberately messing with Vision which led to him trying to leave. I am very confused and it did occur to me that she seemed to arrive when the "sitcom" was already in full swing as we saw her fly in and change her outfit.

Something I noticed about her character when I was doing my own research and I'm going to spoiler because it hasn't been mentioned in the show yet

is that in the comics she has a son, Nicholas Scratch, who is more of a villain and I remembered that she called the rabbit Scratchy, probably no more than a knowing wink but still.

I sort of think TV show being a product of Wanda's mind has to turn out to be true rather than her being controlled or something. Cause it heavily damages the concept of what the trauma did to her. The created world is such a powerful concept and I think losing it would strip away the strength of the show.

The Inbetween is mine

Looking like we're waiting for the big Mephisto reveal... it's most likely someone from outside the town.....plus with Agatha Harkness on board..is Herb going to turn out to be ebony?

GSPfan

I’m not going to Spoiler this as it’s assumed everyone reading is up to date with the latest episode....

Agatha hasn’t actually killed anyone or done anything particularly unforgivable yet except killing Sparky. Whether it’s Wanda or Agatha or a mixture of both controlling this town of people they haven’t crossed the line yet. Yet.

GSPfan

GSPfan wrote: »

I’m not going to Spoiler this as it’s assumed everyone reading is up to date with the latest episode....

Agatha hasn’t actually killed anyone or done anything particularly unforgivable yet except killing Sparky. Whether it’s Wanda or Agatha or a mixture of both controlling this town of people they haven’t crossed the line yet. Yet.

Not seen the John Wicks movies then

Eduard Khil

Marvel misdirection has always been at play I can see one or more other characters Hayward and maybe some of the townsfolk being true villains there is a big ploy in the adverts seen in each episode with those brands changing but the ones mentioned have relationship to Wanda either her past present or future.

shawki

GSPfan wrote: »

I’m not going to Spoiler this as it’s assumed everyone reading is up to date with the latest episode....

Agatha hasn’t actually killed anyone or done anything particularly unforgivable yet except killing Sparky. Whether it’s Wanda or Agatha or a mixture of both controlling this town of people they haven’t crossed the line yet. Yet.

Puppy murder isn't crossing the line?

FunLover18

I still think there has to be something in the recaps being slightly off. There was another one in this when Vision told Agnes (as he knew her) that he was going outside to apprise the situation and get help.

The Inbetween is mine

GSPfan wrote: »

I’m not going to Spoiler this as it’s assumed everyone reading is up to date with the latest episode....

Agatha hasn’t actually killed anyone or done anything particularly unforgivable yet except killing Sparky. Whether it’s Wanda or Agatha or a mixture of both controlling this town of people they haven’t crossed the line yet. Yet.

Kidnapping a whole town, terrorising them... people on the outskirts trapped in monotonous boomerangs whilst crying...some things are perhaps worse than death

Penn

FunLover18 wrote: »

But the song says she was behind it all? She introduced Pietro at a pivotal moment when Vision was getting close to the truth but at the same time I see where you would get that impression because it also showed her deliberately messing with Vision which led to him trying to leave. I am very confused and it did occur to me that she seemed to arrive when the "sitcom" was already in full swing as we saw her fly in and change her outfit.

Something I noticed about her character when I was doing my own research and I'm going to spoiler because it hasn't been mentioned in the show yet

is that in the comics she has a son, Nicholas Scratch, who is more of a villain and I remembered that she called the rabbit Scratchy, probably no more than a knowing wink but still.

It could be the case that Agatha here is

kind of a combination of the Agatha character from the comics, but with her comic son's more villainous side.

Penn

https://twitter.com/vizwandamaximof/status/1363071757154975746?s=19

ArthurG

STUPID AGATHA SONG STUCK IN MY STUPID HEAD

Foxtrol

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Kidnapping a whole town, terrorising them... people on the outskirts trapped in monotonous boomerangs whilst crying...some things are perhaps worse than death

No evidence yet that Agatha is the main cause of any of that.

All the actions we saw in her (incredible) montage was doing things that are putting stress on Wanda (like controlling Pietro who was messing things up and killing the dog) or pushing Vision away from her (the chainsaw and car). If anything it appears she has been weakening and isolating Wanda for reasons that have nothing to do with the situation the town is in, most likely to get her in the position to trap her like we've seen.

Foxtrol

tbahh wrote: »

A brilliant episode. I think we all knew something was up with Agnes. Her intro song was fun and catchy, too. It all has to "kick off" now. I don't really see Agnes sticking around after the show ends, either. Probably replaced by the 'real' villain of the next phase.

I wonder now that we know who Agnes is, will they stop doing the comedy-show pastiches? Apart from the obvious The Office and Modern Family references, the end part reminded me quite a lot of Desperate Housewives. In a way, Wanda has become one now. The show (DH) is also part of ABC's (i.e. Disney's) repertoire, too.

With the right writers I'd be very much open to them doing a Kathryn Hahn led Disney+ mini series showing Agnes through history (presuming she isn't a mortal character that received her powers recently).

Given how well the character has been received I don't think it would be too farfetched.

E mac

ArthurG wrote: »

STUPID AGATHA SONG STUCK IN MY STUPID HEAD

And she killed Sparky too...!

The Inbetween is mine

Foxtrol wrote: »

No evidence yet that Agatha is the main cause of any of that.

All the actions we saw in her (incredible) montage was doing things that are putting stress on Wanda (like controlling Pietro who was messing things up and killing the dog) or pushing Vision away from her (the chainsaw and car). If anything it appears she has been weakening and isolating Wanda for reasons that have nothing to do with the situation the town is in, most likely to get her in the position to trap her like we've seen.

I never said she was?

Brief_Lives

Deleted User wrote: »

Not seen the John Wicks movies then

can someone explain the John Wick reference?

RobbingBandit

Anyone else still waiting for sweet dreams when Pietro is on screen

Lithium93_

Brief_Lives wrote: »

can someone explain the John Wick reference?

His dog, that his late wife left him was murdered, bringing John back into his previous line of work.

Foxtrol

The White Wolf wrote: »

I think most people who watched from the beginning understood what the show was trying to do and as you say it was a slow burn mystery, but the thing about slow burns is that do they have enough to keep the attention during the more quieter moments?

You used Breaking Bad as an example and I'll follow suit by using Better Call Saul; the latter was arguably a slower burn than BB, but it had enough about it to keep the viewer interested. I would say Wandavision probably took a bit too much for granted in the early episodes but it's inconsequential at this point.

Are you saying what happened in the early episodes were 'inconsequential' or that the complaints are? If you meant the former, at minimum they introduce us to the world, the characters, their initial state of mind and all of this has been built up to where we are now. Without those episodes the show simply wouldn't work, for starters the Agnes montage wouldn't be 'It was Agatha all along', it would be 'It was Agatha over this tiny period of time'.

I also don't think those show comparisons work at all for an excuse for the impatience of some here and elsewhere.

The screen time in the first 4 episodes of Wandavison is around the same as the first 2 episodes of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. By the end of episode 4 of Wandavision they'd built out what had happened in the Hex, introduced 2 characters that might be long term in the MCU, and caught up on everything that was happening outside of the Hex. While in the two examples of other shows that you mentioned the story had barely even started.

Again, it seems that some people are just confusing not liking something (i.e., the Sitcom piece) and the pace of the show.

GSPfan

shawki wrote: »

Puppy murder isn't crossing the line?

No not in the MCU. Wanda herself has a checkered past. The Winter Soldier has done some seriously horrible things. Killing a real or fake puppy and holding a town hostage through mind control is not something that would definitively paint Agatha firmly into the villain category.

Look at Loki. You can do all sorts of atrocities and still redeem yourself later on.

RedRochey

It's been confirmed that Wanda will be part of the Dr Strange series ya? So I'm guessing

he's going to make an appearance in this soon, maybe something to do with that book in agatha's basement? Wasn't there a bit about forbidden books in Dr Strange movie and one of them was missing

GSPfan

RedRochey wrote: »

It's been confirmed that Wanda will be part of the.....

Be careful about speculation without spoiler tags, especially because you could be spot on with that guess. It’s a logical assumption. But people will blame you for spoiling it if you’re correct.

RedRochey

GSPfan wrote: »

Be careful about speculation without spoiler tags, especially because you could be spot on with that guess. It’s a logical assumption. But people will blame you for spoiling it if you’re correct.

Changed it there thanks

Midnight_EG

Wanda being in the next Doctor Strange movie isn't speculation... She's on the literal cover of it.

The forbidden books that were stolen was to do with Kaecillius, there was a whole scene showing it.

GSPfan

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Wanda being in the next Doctor Strange movie isn't speculation... She's on the literal cover of it.

The forbidden books that were stolen was to do with Kaecillius, there was a whole scene showing it.

The speculation referred to what might happen in Wandavision. We can come back to it after the last episode airs. I don’t really mind spoilers too much but some people really hate it so best to be safe even if it is just speculation. No harm done, it’s just this particular speculation could be highly accurate if you put the pieces together.

Lithium93_

I'm actually surprised that

Strange hasn't shown up yet, given his role of Supreme Sorcerer

, and that Wanda's hex in Westview should've set alarm bells ringing.

Granted that could all change with either episode 8 or 9.

Also with the shows events being 3 weeks after Endgame, you'd have to wonder what Fury makes of it all on the S.W.O.R.D space station.

Then again Hayward is acting Director, so could be keeping him in the loop.

Busi_Girl08

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I'm actually surprised that

Strange hasn't shown up yet, given his role of Supreme Sorcerer

, and that Wanda's hex in Westview should've set alarm bells ringing.

Granted that could all change with either episode 8 or 9.

Also with the shows events being 3 weeks after Endgame, you'd have to wonder what Fury makes of it all on the S.W.O.R.D space station.

Then again Hayward is acting Director, so could be keeping him in the loop.

I saw a video the otherday where someone pointed out (Spiderman Far From Home slight spoiler:) that

Far From Home was happening roughly the same time as where Wandavision is now, and that when Peter asked if Dr Strange couldn't help out Fury said he was unavailable. So he's probably lurking in the background in some capacity.

Penn

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I saw a video the otherday where someone pointed out (Spiderman Far From Home slight spoiler:) that

Far From Home was happening roughly the same time as where Wandavision is now, and that when Peter asked if Dr Strange couldn't help out Fury said he was unavailable. So he's probably lurking in the background in some capacity.

Spiderman Far From Home takes place about 8 months after Endgame, whereas Wandavision is only set 3 weeks after Endgame.

Busi_Girl08

Penn wrote: »

Spiderman Far From Home takes place about 8 months after Endgame, whereas Wandavision is only set 3 weeks after Endgame.

He could still be tied up with Wanda's mess by that stage *shrugs*

Lithium93_

Penn wrote: »

Spiderman Far From Home takes place about 8 months after Endgame, whereas Wandavision is only set 3 weeks after Endgame.

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

He could still be tied up with Wanda's mess by that stage *shrugs*

Or theory Wanda's hex

with help from Agatha, could have expanded around the globe by season's finale

, and proving more difficult than

Strange

originally anticipated.

Who knows? Cause I sure don't :pac: