3.3kw (24kwh) Leaf charge time.

Dia_Anseo_Aris

Hi,

I am picking up a Leaf in Bolton, UK this Sunday and have some questions.

It is a 2014 24kwh Tekna Leaf with 3.3kw charge rate. As the trip to Holyhead is roughly 120 miles, this would require me to charge the Leaf at least once. I plan to leave Bolton at 2pm to make the 8.30pm ferry. Will this allow me enough time for charging and driving considering the following:

-it's a 3.3kw model
-motorway driving will not favour EV driving (range of Leaf 80 to 90 miles??)
-Does using a Level 3 (rapid) charge have any benefit in a 3.3kw charge point.
-Am I right in thinking that a Level 2 charger will take 4.5 hours to fully charge a 3.3kw Leaf?

Can I solely rely on the Electric Highway app as I have no card. Do all charge station accept the electric highway app or just certain ones?

Thanks in advance

Black_Knight

Dia_Anseo_Aris wrote: »

Hi,

I am picking up a Leaf in Bolton, UK this Sunday and have some questions.

It is a 2014 24kwh Tekna Leaf with 3.3kw charge rate. As the trip to Holyhead is roughly 120 miles, this would require me to charge the Leaf at least once. I plan to leave Bolton at 2pm to make the 8.30pm ferry. Will this allow me enough time for charging and driving considering the following:

-it's a 3.3kw model
-motorway driving will not favour EV driving (range of Leaf 80 to 90 miles??)
-Does using a Level 3 (rapid) charge have any benefit in a 3.3kw charge point.
-Am I right in thinking that a Level 2 charger will take 4.5 hours to fully charge a 3.3kw Leaf?

Can I solely rely on the Electric Highway app as I have no card. Do all charge station accept the electric highway app or just certain ones?

Thanks in advance

24kWh battery, pumping in 3.3kW per hour. That's over 7 hours to charge.

Rapid charge will be ~50kW per hour, so like 20 minutes will get you up to about 80%.

mobfromcork

Download one of the apps for charge points like Zapmap or equivalent and use their route planner to figure out where the fast chargers are. As Black Knight said, charge to 80/85% and then move on. Your charge slows down considerably when you reach that level. Be conservative with your range - cold weather, needing the heating on etc. Ask the seller to have it chargers fully when you arrive. You might save time going a small bit slower and needing one less stop to charge as well. I have a 24kw and comfortably get 100km at 80-85 kmph in the winter with the heating on when needed. Long journey can be a dose in the Leaf but once you're home and just using it for commuting etc, it's a great car (I think anyway...)

Dia_Anseo_Aris

Black_Knight wrote: »

24kWh battery, pumping in 3.3kW per hour. That's over 7 hours to charge.

Rapid charge will be ~50kW per hour, so like 20 minutes will get you up to about 80%.

Are you sure I can use a rapid charge with a 3.3kw? And is it really 20mins to 80%?

I thought 6.6kw were only able to be rapid charged?

mobfromcork

When you are using the slow chargers like the ones at home or the public SCPs you can only charge at 3.3kw per hour and the 6.6 leaf can charge at 6.6 per hour (roughly). With the Chademo chargers though they can both get to about 80% in around 25 mins. The last 20% takes longer then though so usually you're better off just driving on another 80km and stopping again.

AhHaor

Are you sure I can use a rapid charge with a 3.3kw? And is it really 20mins to 80%?

I thought 6.6kw were only able to be rapid charged?

-it's a 3.3kw model
-motorway driving will not favour EV driving (range of Leaf 80 to 90 miles??)
-Does using a Level 3 (rapid) charge have any benefit in a 3.3kw charge point.
-Am I right in thinking that a Level 2 charger will take 4.5 hours to fully charge a 3.3kw Leaf?

Lots of confusion here.

Yeah, you can use rapid. You'll get to 80% after 20 to 30 minutes in most cases.
Your range is about 65 miles. And at motorway speed could be closer to 60.

You can consider your leaf has 3 chargers.
1) A fast, which at maximum will be 50kW and will drop hugely at 80% battery capacity.
2) your 3.3kW cable. This will probably be your most used. If you've charger in house or any destination charger this is what you'll use. You'll need about 5 hours from 20% to 100%
3) if you got a 3 pin plug charger this is 2.4kW and will take about 8 hours to charge.

They're your 3. Fire on any other questions. Only 1 tip I have is ignore the range you see on the dash. It's impossibility optimistic. And if you use 1%/1km you'll be fairly accurate as long as speed is below 120km/hr

Dia_Anseo_Aris

mobfromcork wrote: »

When you are using the slow chargers like the ones at home or the public SCPs you can only charge at 3.3kw per hour and the 6.6 leaf can charge at 6.6 per hour (roughly). With the Chademo chargers though they can both get to about 80% in around 25 mins. The last 20% takes longer then though so usually you're better off just driving on another 80km and stopping again.

Oh I didn't know that.

I had thought the price difference between the 3.3 and 6.6 was that the 6.6 was able to exclusively charge at rapid chargers.

But if the 3.3 can too, that'll make my journey much more relaxed.


The benefit to the 6.6 is that it'll charge twice as fast at home/destination charger e.g 13/26 miles per hour for the 3.3/6.6kw charge?

Soarer

There is two types of charge ports on your Leaf.

There a small “Type 1” port. This uses the onboard charger in the car, and is either 3.3kW (like you have) or the faster 6.6kW. This is the port that you’ll use when you’re charging at home/work.

The other port is the big “Chademo” port. This bypasses the onboard charger and puts the charge direct to the battery. This allows up to 50kW charging rate, and give up to 80% capacity in 20-25 minutes. This is the port that you’ll use in the service stations.

Like others have said, try balance traveling fast and keeping charge.
And only charge to 80%ish and move on.

Best of luck. A day’s pain in the ass will be quickly forgotten once you get home.

AhHaor

Dia_Anseo_Aris wrote: »

Oh I didn't know that.

I had thought the price difference between the 3.3 and 6.6 was that the 6.6 was able to exclusively charge at rapid chargers.

But if the 3.3 can too, that'll make my journey much more relaxed.


The benefit to the 6.6 is that it'll charge twice as fast at home/destination charger e.g 13/26 miles per hour for the 3.3/6.6kw charge?

I've 3.3kW leaf and I've never once thought I could do with a 6.6kW. mind you my charging is 90% home/work.

You have full access to fast charging. Charge to 80% and move on. Not sure how badly the battery will heat up. But with these temps you'll be fine

Dia_Anseo_Aris

Thanks for all the helpful replies so far.

If/When I make it back to Dublin, does anyone know how I can charge at public charge points without a card or calling them up?
Is there an app alternative?

I believe Nissan delaers have charge points but they are not fast chargers?

Soarer

Dia_Anseo_Aris wrote: »

Thanks for all the helpful replies so far.

If/When I make it back to Dublin, does anyone know how I can charge at public charge points without a card or calling them up?
Is there an app alternative?

I believe Nissan delaers have charge points but they are not fast chargers?

Don’t smalltime it once you get back.
Ring them up, give you details, pay your fiver, and get home.

graememk

Dia_Anseo_Aris wrote: »

If/When I make it back to Dublin, does anyone know how I can charge at public charge points without a card or calling them up?
Is there an app alternative?

You can use the esb ecars fast chargers by using the app only. You don't even have to sign up for an account but it makes it easier if you do

You can also sign up for a pre paid account with them.

...Ghost...

Congratulations on the purchase. I have made the trip across the UK twice for much longer journeys. Once you have it planned, it's no problem. Most of the info has been provided above, so this post will just summarise and enhance what has been posted already.

Your 3.3OBC will not matter on Rapid chargers. You will use Chademo and will charge at about 40kWh average, spending about 20 minutes at each charge point. At home, or using slow charge points, your car will take up to 3.3kW per hour. The granny charger will be slower at about 2kW per hour.

Assume a range of 80km at speeds no greater than 90km. This will give you a reasonable buffer in most weathers and temps. I would plan for 3 stops along the way and then top up at holyhead. The ferry might have a charger, but you need to book it.

I assume you will be leaving Nissan Bolton at 3pm when paperwork is complete. Be sure to take the full V5C with you. I suggest this route using ecotricity chargers: NOTE...try charge to 90%. It will take an extra minutes, but will be worth it. Charge to 80% at Kinmel Park. You will be grand.

Bolton to Chester Services, M56, Jct 14 (CH2 4QZ). 60-65km journey.
Drive to Kinmel Park Services, A55 (LL18 5XE). 70km Journey.
Drive to Bangor Services, N Wales Expy (LL57 4BO) 45km.
I know it's a short one, but you would struggle to get to holyhead otherwise.



You can change your odometer from miles to km on the menu to the right of the steering wheel and above the charge port button.

...Ghost...

Route https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/Nissan+Bolton+Service+Centre,+426+-+438+Manchester+Rd,+Bolton+BL3+2NU,+United+Kingdom/Chester+Service+Area,+M56+Junction+14,+Chester,+UK/EG+KINMEL+PARK+WEST,+A55,+Bodelwyddan,+UK/Bangor+Services,+Llys-y-gwynt,+Bangor,+UK/Holyhead,+Holyhead,+UK/@53.3228463,-3.6763632,8z/data=!4m32!4m31!1m5!1m1!1s0x487ba646fa1aaeed:0x5def7045b29f63be!2m2!1d-2.414826!2d53.5652064!1m5!1m1!1s0x487ae6cba3a1e129:0x39195884460982a8!2m2!1d-2.8025083!2d53.2682334!1m5!1m1!1s0x4865261e9474d953:0x7ed8186877b3a252!2m2!1d-3.5191561!2d53.2683712!1m5!1m1!1s0x4865079a16f07b53:0xdd7de6730d4f1e16!2m2!1d-4.1056819!2d53.2034266!1m5!1m1!1s0x486434b66c1c0fed:0x248e9cd08cfb236f!2m2!1d-4.633038!2d53.309441!3e0

Dia_Anseo_Aris

...Ghost... wrote: »

Congratulations on the purchase. I have made the trip across the UK twice for much longer journeys. Once you have it planned, it's no problem. Most of the info has been provided above, so this post will just summarise and enhance what has been posted already.

Your 3.3OBC will not matter on Rapid chargers. You will use Chademo and will charge at about 40kWh average, spending about 20 minutes at each charge point. At home, or using slow charge points, your car will take up to 3.3kW per hour. The granny charger will be slower at about 2kW per hour.

Assume a range of 80km at speeds no greater than 90km. This will give you a reasonable buffer in most weathers and temps. I would plan for 3 stops along the way and then top up at holyhead. The ferry might have a charger, but you need to book it.

I assume you will be leaving Nissan Bolton at 3pm when paperwork is complete. Be sure to take the full V5C with you. I suggest this route using ecotricity chargers: NOTE...try charge to 90%. It will take an extra minutes, but will be worth it. Charge to 80% at Kinmel Park. You will be grand.

Bolton to Chester Services, M56, Jct 14 (CH2 4QZ). 60-65km journey.
Drive to Kinmel Park Services, A55 (LL18 5XE). 70km Journey.
Drive to Bangor Services, N Wales Expy (LL57 4BO) 45km.
I know it's a short one, but you would struggle to get to holyhead otherwise.



You can change your odometer from miles to km on the menu to the right of the steering wheel and above the charge port button.

WOW!!!

You're so helpful! Thanks so much!

All that you're missing is actually making the journey for me! ;-P

Greatly appreciated!!

wing52

Make sure you're tyres are inflated well! Low pressure makes a fair difference on efficiency. 35-38 psi, i think. Well wear btw

...Ghost...

wing52 wrote: »

Make sure you're tyres are inflated well! Low pressure makes a fair difference on efficiency. 35-38 psi, i think. Well wear btw

36 PSI. It will be listed inside the door jam

KCross

36PSI is what is recommended inside the door. I use 38.