Is "Irish" an ethnicity?

Bobblehats

coinop wrote: »

Only a racist would think Ireland belongs to the Irish.

Alright I’m stumped here. What’s the catch

beejee

Bobblehats wrote: »

Alright I’m stumped here. What’s the catch

No catch.

You got an Irish passport last week? Sure, you're as Irish as the blarney stone now.

Ipso

John Doe1 wrote: »

Irish people are a mixture of "Native Irish" DNA (which likely originated in Spain millennia ago), Scandinavian DNA (From Vikings and Normans) and Anglo Saxon DNA (from Plantations)

I got my 23 and Me DNA test and Irish, Scots and Welsh are very closely linked and therefore grouped together.

The main bulk of the average DNA profile has not changed since about the 16th century so you can definitely make a claim that Irish is indeed an ethnicity incorporating all the above elements. No nation has one a completely homogenous DNA profile.

Unfortunately some people use the fact that DNA is so mixed to make it seem like we should we should invite the whole 3rd world (with the associated issues relating to different ideology and treatment of women/children etc.) into our small homogenous population where immigration has only occured in any real way since the late 90s. This is completely unsustainable....

Irish DNA didn’t originate in Spain. It’s a mix of people who were around after the Ice Age, then the people who descended from the first farmers and the people who spread indo european languages (Bell Beakers are a good candidate for these), the descendants of these people also left a high Y DNA rate in modern Spain.
Irish people are genetically closest to British. Most Europeans are descended from these three population groups, they just got different amounts at different times.
Then you have the more historical attested migrations from Britan.

Bobblehats

beejee wrote: »

No catch.

You got an Irish passport last week? Sure, you're as Irish as the blarney stone now.

hhhah..haha.....hahahaaaaah....

John Doe1

coinop wrote: »

Wow it didn't take long for the far-right extremists to hijack the thread. Only a racist would think Ireland belongs to the Irish. HE WHO LIVES HERE, BELONGS HERE. Refugees welcome. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

5 posts, you are obviously a troll.

10 years ago when I was a naive college liberal, i would have said yes, bring all them in but no, we have enough problems with homelessness, the rental crisis and the uncetainty over Brexit to worry about spending tax money on housing people who may be geniunely escaping hardship or may just be economic migrants.

beejee

Bobblehats wrote: »

hhhah..haha.....hahahaaaaah....

I know...

And so do most.

Bobblehats

Well stripped down, we’re all the same skeleton.

Which is morbid. And discriminating against those with skeletal deficiencies

Wibbs

myshirt wrote: »

I spoke to an academic about 15 years ago who told me (albeit over a few pints) that anyone who knows their family have been in Ireland for at least 4 generations, that that person more than likely 75%+ DNA descended from the Celts over 1,000+ years ago.

Well.... Nope. Not "Celts" anyway. Celts/Keltoi were a generic term in the Classical world for a range of people beyond the borders. "Not us" in essence, though not quite barbarians for the most part, unless there was a war on. They weren't too exact on their location either. The Greeks were bloody geniuses at many things, maps and a sense of direction not exactly being one. Up north, over there being much of it. The Irish were "Scotti", which could also mean Scottish(hence the name of the country "Eriugenia(sp)" was sometimes added to narrow it down to born in Ireland itself.

Celtic culture is another thing, but even here there were quite the range of peoples in the mix and some differences in art and culture too. Whatever "Celtic" made it here was almost exclusively cultural in art, religion and the like. We're certainly not related to the Keltoi the Romans would have gone around fighting and trading with.

coinop wrote: »

Only a racist would think Ireland belongs to the Irish. HE WHO LIVES HERE, BELONGS HERE.

1) if one were to object to say 20,000 Welsh showing up how would that be "racist"? 2) We fought a long struggle of independence to drive out those who decided to live here and it didn't belong to them did it? They were the same "race" too, was that "racist"? Or is it only "racist" if we object to scammers of a darker hue showing up? I note that "diversity" seems to only go one way and tends to also follow skin colour. More dark people in a European country is "diverse" and very much required, yet more pale people in an African country... well, not so much and often seen as objectionable by the same mindset.

beejee wrote: »

You got an Irish passport last week? Sure, you're as Irish as the blarney stone now.

How dare you suggest otherwise. I have noted among people from Russia, Spain, France, Slovakia, even a couple of Afghans that have lived here for donkey's years, most of those married Irish people, yet if you ask them what they are they will, to a man and woman reply with Russian, Spanish, French, Slovakian and Afghani and that's fine. Yet Africans are expected to be and some, not all(and fair play to them) claim to be Irish when the ink on their Irish passport is still wet. How does that work then?

andekwarhola

If stealing catalytic converters is a ethnic trait, anything can be.

Bobblehats

Gumballs

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

you don't have to look up the gate at foreign airports, just follow the lad with the big 'ol irish head on him. he's easy to discern, ipso facto we're a separate ethnicity

JohnnyFlash

Do you have ginger pubes and hemochromatosis?

Quantum Erasure

RTE Sports Personality of the Year on now, be surprised if they don't give it to Sunita Puspure, ticks all the boxes

Wibbs

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote: »

you don't have to look up the gate at foreign airports, just follow the lad with the big 'ol irish head on him. he's easy to discern, ipso facto we're a separate ethnicity

God we are easy to spot at the airports of the world alright. I was in a European airport once with an ex who wasn't Irish and she was getting a bit panicked because we arrived late(as I tend to) and she was worried we'd never find our queue/gate back to Ireland.

Me.