This is ****ing infuriating!!

BeerWolf

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/alleged-perpetrators-of-acid-attack-on-teenagers-will-not-be-charged-1.4112087?mode=amp

That boy who had a promising football career that was attacked with acid earlier this year in Waterford, the ****ers that did it are only receiving a caution???

WTF?!!!

The absolute leniency on juvenile delinquents in Ireland's "Justice" system is so ****ing repugnant...

greencap

Theres no fear of the law.

No deterrent.

Leg End Reject

That's appalling, leaving someone with permanent scarring, damaged sight and facing burns treatment and yet walking off scot free.

BeerWolf

greencap wrote: »

Theres no fear of the law.

No deterrent.

Yeah well these Judges shouldn't be shocked when vigilantism becomes a thing. And I honestly would condone it, because of said Judges incompetency... such as that fella defending himself with a Hurley stick causing brain damage to a thug... **** that thug. The Laws protect them more than law abiding Joe...

CucaFace

Honestly soon the only hope of actual justice in this country will be our own form of it.

The country is turning into a joke and in reality is going to need vigilante justice otherwise the scum will just take over.

Our 'justice system' is totally useless and totally unaccountable from the Garda on the streets right up to the judges. You only have to see the number of convictions by so many people out free at the moment who are running amok around the place.

Krombopulos Michael

I read this article yesterday and the guy himself who robs house says. “It’s sad to say it, but if I’m in your house and you wake up and hit me with a hammer or whatever, you’ll get done [prosecuted] more than me.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/burglars-secrets-i-love-creeping-around-houses-when-people-are-in-bed-1.4108789

biko

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

It’s sad to say it, but if I’m in your house and you wake up and hit me with a hammer or whatever, you’ll get done [prosecuted] more than me.”

"If they find your body.
No-one knows you're here but you and me.."

tastyt

How do the judges look at themselves in the mirror eh.

Probably because they know the little scrotes that they let back out on the streets won't be walking around their neighbourhoods in howth, dalkey and killiney.

They don't give a **** about normal working people having to deal with anti social and criminal behaviour everyday because its a different world to them.

They can sit there smugly in their sheltered life and lecture people about rehabilitation and giving people chances .

**** off

RobertKK

Saying that this is a disgrace does not do justice to how bad this is. A juvenile caution for a very serious offence will do feck all to stop this happening again and the punishment in no way fits the crime. Totally ridiculous.

Riskymove

tastyt wrote: »

How do the judges look at themselves in the mirror eh.

just to point out that this decision is nothing to do with a Judge

its the DPP

tdf7187

Not their fault, it's their culture.

ben.schlomo

Riskymove wrote: »

just to point out that this decision is nothing to do with a Judge

its the DPP

Ah ya but why read the article when that'll get in the way of a good misplaced rant.

is_that_so

It really depends on their age. Juveniles generally tend not to be locked up unless they are at the psychopathic end of things.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Acid attacks, regardless of age, need to be seen as attempted murder, and carry life sentences. End of.

facehugger99

Riskymove wrote: »

just to point out that this decision is nothing to do with a Judge

its the DPP

Stop - you're ruining it for everyone.

CrankyHaus

Kudos to the victims and their families for not taking this lying down and demanding answers from the DPP, though I doubt they'll get anything more than a contemptous brush off. Much of our state seems to view citizens as serfs, whose only purpose is to pay taxes and then F-Off. I'd be very interested to see what the DPP's basis not pursuing a prosecution was.

Steyr 556

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Acid attacks, regardless of age, need to be seen as attempted murder, and carry life sentences. End of.

Some people aren't afraid of prison time, and honestly, life sentences don't mean much in Ireland. That's unlikely to change any time soon.

Honestly, if we want these attacks to stop, the best method would be to punish them as they did their victims. Acid on the face and body of the convicted. The attacks would dry up quickly then.

suicide_circus

what acid was used?

Corvo

Acid attack the judge and shrug your shoulders when you arrested.

expectationlost

surely using acid goes over the line of leniency

Vic_08

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Ah ya but why read the article when that'll get in the way of a good misplaced rant.

The whole legal system is a joke, if it's not one branch failing the public and victims it is the other. DPP in this instance, do you really think they would have been punished appropriately had they been convicted? Being U18 here is a guaranteed free ride in a system that won't even hand out appropriate sentences to adults.

Using the misunderstanding of who let them off as a way to dismiss people's righteous contempt at this decision is odious.

Throwing acid at someone is one of the worst crimes possible, the damage done destroys people's lives as well as causing unimaginable physical pain and suffering. It is an act that requires preparation and planning and cannot in any way be justified.

The only appropriate justice for this is to be locked up for life, as a punishment for the damage done to the victim, to keep other members of the public safe and as a deterrent for others who consider carrying out a chemical attack.

I don't wish these acts on anyone but if it were Judges, senior solicitors and TDs families being killed and disfigured by scum like this we'd soon see a change in the attitude to them.

buried

The treat the criminals softly approach doesn't work for society but it sure works well for the law racket's greasy pockets. Keep the scum free outside so they can keep coming back for the same offences using the same free legal aid we all pay for. Its a F**king disgrace but what can you do. The law society racket has the game sown up and not one political party wants to do anything about it. And sure why would they when they all hang out together laughing their holes off at the rest of us.

Vic_08

biko wrote: »

"If they find your body.
No-one knows you're here but you and me.."

Dead men tell no sob stories.

alchemist33

Riskymove wrote: »

just to point out that this decision is nothing to do with a Judge

its the DPP

The article also mentions cautions for "two of the alleged perpetrators". There may be prosecutions coming for others. We don't know the full story yet (before anyone has a go at me, SOMEBODY should be getting a long sentence here)

LeBash

charles.flanagan@oir.ie

There is the Minister for Justices email. Get onto him for it.

Vic_08

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Acid attacks, regardless of age, need to be seen as attempted murder, and carry life sentences. End of.

Proper only leave prison in a cheap wooden box life sentences. Not Irish dog-year out in 10 life sentences.

dublinman1990

What an absolutely appalling decision from our legal system. A young man who was meant to be having a career in football now has his career as a players in ruins because of the actions from these vile wastes of human excrement. There should minimal sentences coming from our legal system of at least 15 years for scumbags who carry out this crime on innocent victims in our country. There should be no deterrent for the types of scum who do this crime.

Shame on the legal system who let people to get away scot free from carrying out this crime.

Wibbs

Problem solved. And yes I'd quite happily pull the lever.

Duke of Url

BeerWolf wrote: »

we all know how corrupt the DPP is...

Am I missing something. Can you expand on this?

Edgware

tastyt wrote: »

How do the judges look at themselves in the mirror eh.

Probably because they know the little scrotes that they let back out on the streets won't be walking around their neighbourhoods in howth, dalkey and killiney.

They don't give a **** about normal working people having to deal with anti social and criminal behaviour everyday because its a different world to them.

They can sit there smugly in their sheltered life and lecture people about rehabilitation and giving people chances .

**** off

They and their pals couldnt afford to live in Killiney etc unless they made their money frm these scrotes on the free legal aid scheme

Dave147

LeBash wrote: »

charles.flanagan@oir.ie

There is the Minister for Justices email. Get onto him for it.

I emailed him, never emailed any minister before but I'm particularly pissed off by this.

buried

Email Charlie Flanagan thinking he gives a $hit?

You may as well stand on the Cliffs of Moher and take a piss off the edge hoping your pants don't get wet.

Potential-Monke

I really can't see how the DPP came to this decision. I really can't. The juvenile program, I've used it (whatever good it does, only seems to work on young fellas from good backgrounds, scrote kids nearly laugh while pretending to be genuine in the remorse). I just really cannot see how this can fall under the remit of the juvenile program. I was under the impression that the injured party, or their parent/guardian was supposed to accept this. A quick Google tells me otherwise. It should definitely be a prerequisite for a caution to be administered; acceptance by the injured party. Still baffling to think this could even be considered under the program. I would consider this 'serious harm' as per the Non-Fatal Offences Act 97:

"“serious harm” means injury which creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious disfigurement or substantial loss or impairment of the mobility of the body as a whole or of the function of any particular bodily member or organ;"

And I was pretty sure Assault Causing Serious Harm is not something that can be considered, but a quick Google again lets me know that all crimes can be considered. Jesus I'm happy I left when I did, I couldn't face the parents of this child and tell them the scum walk free.

Kermit.de.frog

RobertKK wrote: »

Saying that this is a disgrace does not do justice to how bad this is. A juvenile caution for a very serious offence will do feck all to stop this happening again and the punishment in no way fits the crime. Totally ridiculous.

The Healy Raes just the other day were essentially told "first conviction, you walk" after battering an English tourist and leaving him with scars.

Vigilantism is the end point here because the justice system is not protecting the people of Ireland.

Optimalprimerib

Are there many pedophiles jailed? We should try to make use of them by giving them a cellmate.

Calhoun

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I really can't see how the DPP came to this decision. I really can't. The juvenile program, I've used it (whatever good it does, only seems to work on young fellas from good backgrounds, scrote kids nearly laugh while pretending to be genuine in the remorse). I just really cannot see how this can fall under the remit of the juvenile program. I was under the impression that the injured party, or their parent/guardian was supposed to accept this. A quick Google tells me otherwise. It should definitely be a prerequisite for a caution to be administered; acceptance by the injured party. Still baffling to think this could even be considered under the program. I would consider this 'serious harm' as per the Non-Fatal Offences Act 97:

"“serious harm” means injury which creates a substantial risk of death or which causes serious disfigurement or substantial loss or impairment of the mobility of the body as a whole or of the function of any particular bodily member or organ;"

And I was pretty sure Assault Causing Serious Harm is not something that can be considered, but a quick Google again lets me know that all crimes can be considered. Jesus I'm happy I left when I did, I couldn't face the parents of this child and tell them the scum walk free.

Crazy to think this is happening during the watch of the so called party of law and order.

Not surprising though as too many in Ireland make a living from giving scum a second chance.

Blazer

buried wrote: »

The treat the criminals softly approach doesn't work for society but it sure works well for the law racket's greasy pockets. Keep the scum free outside so they can keep coming back for the same offences using the same free legal aid we all pay for. Its a F**king disgrace but what can you do. The law society racket has the game sown up and not one political party wants to do anything about it. And sure why would they when they all hang out together laughing their holes off at the rest of us.

And there you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Between lawyers , Judges and the Gardaí they’re all on nice little earners at the top and it’s a whole merry go around.
Not to mention the scum themselves.
I’d quite happily put all 4 segments onto their own little island and then see how they handle the vermin.
Somehow I doubt they’d be so lenient then.

twowheelsonly

Vic_08 wrote: »

Proper only leave prison in a cheap wooden box life sentences. Not Irish dog-year out in 10 life sentences.

Can you name anyone doing a life sentence that got out in 10 years ? I can't.
It's closer to 20 these days with many doing even longer.

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I really can't see how the DPP came to this decision. I really can't. The juvenile program, I've used it (whatever good it does, only seems to work on young fellas from good backgrounds, scrote kids nearly laugh while pretending to be genuine in the remorse). .

That's the million dollar question in this instance. I'd love to know the background of the perpetrators in this case. Everyone presuming that it's the 'usual suspects' but in my experience the 'usual suspects' would have been packed off to Oberstown by now. It tends to be the 'good kids' from 'good families' that benefit most from Juvenile Cautions. The fact that the perpetrators seem to have reached 16/17 without coming to Garda attention would suggest that they may indeed come from 'good' families.

Disgraceful decision from the DPP.

Potential-Monke

Seems to be the case here. Wish I stayed in proper contact with a few ex-colleagues, they might have been able to fill me in!

Still doesn't excuse it though. Will the same apply to all crimes if you've never come to Garda attention before? I'd love to know the cut-off, like which crime would be just over the limit for caution. Again, bring in the requirement that the injured party has to agree, will solve a lot of this.

NewbridgeIR

Have the Left condemned this yet? They’re frequently silent when it comes to
violent crime.

In this instance, I presume the attackers are from posh backgrounds

gmisk

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

Have the Left condemned this yet? They’re frequently silent when it comes to
violent crime.

In this instance, I presume the attackers are from posh backgrounds

I am not sure what this has got to do with left or right? Most sane people would think this is horrendous and the lack of any sentence vile nothing to do with left or right

tritriagain

So dunnes stores have to pay 56k to a woman cos they didn't put a warning on a box but these scumbags get away scott free. Seems fair.

Idbatterim

BeerWolf wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/alleged-perpetrators-of-acid-attack-on-teenagers-will-not-be-charged-1.4112087?mode=amp

That boy who had a promising football career that was attacked with acid earlier this year in Waterford, the ****ers that did it are only receiving a caution???

WTF?!!!

The absolute leniency on juvenile delinquents in Ireland's "Justice" system is so ****ing repugnant...

But you can get 56k for a bloody jug from dunnes exploding. The “ justice” system ? It’s primary purpose is a gravy train for all involved !

Lewis_Benson

tastyt wrote: »

How do the judges look at themselves in the mirror eh.

Probably because they know the little scrotes that they let back out on the streets won't be walking around their neighbourhoods in howth, dalkey and killiney.

They don't give a **** about normal working people having to deal with anti social and criminal behaviour everyday because its a different world to them.

They can sit there smugly in their sheltered life and lecture people about rehabilitation and giving people chances .

**** off

It's a business.
They need scumbags on the streets to keep themselves in a job.

NewbridgeIR

gmisk wrote: »

I am not sure what this has got to do with left or right? Most sane people would think this is horrendous and the lack of any sentence vile nothing to do with left or right

Yes - most people would consider this an appalling attack. Sentencing is weak across the board and left wing politicians (and their supporters) do not appear to have any appetite to tackle this.

Airyfairy12

DPP make decisions about cases based on their own opinion - opinions can be wrong, unethical and stupid and shouldnt be given such weight. There needs to be clearly outlined rules and punishment for crimes.

washman3

tastyt wrote: »

How do the judges look at themselves in the mirror eh.

Probably because they know the little scrotes that they let back out on the streets won't be walking around their neighbourhoods in howth, dalkey and killiney.

They don't give a **** about normal working people having to deal with anti social and criminal behaviour everyday because its a different world to them.

They can sit there smugly in their sheltered life and lecture people about rehabilitation and giving people chances .

**** off

This post sums it all up in a nutshell. This is unfortunately where Ireland is at today.

LeBash

buried wrote: »

Email Charlie Flanagan thinking he gives a $hit?

You may as well stand on the Cliffs of Moher and take a piss off the edge hoping your pants don't get wet.

Of course he doesnt give a $hit. He does want to have good public opinion going into the next election though.

Jonybgud

Wibbs wrote: »

Problem solved. And yes I'd quite happily pull the lever.

Too good for them, imo.

There are some instances where mob justice is the only answer. This is one of those cases, imo.

The entire judicial system needs to be overhauled. A lot of crusty old has-beens imposing their self assumed state of importance and lording it over all and sundry, need to be forcibly retired.

X111111111111

If the acid was thrown at an ATM the sentence would have been harsher.

washman3

tritriagain wrote: »

So dunnes stores have to pay 56k to a woman cos they didn't put a warning on a box but these scumbags get away scott free. Seems fair.

Add another €20-25k they have to pay on top of that to the legal profession, sorry i mean legal industry. :mad: