who is fooling who?

Lano Lynn

https://www.thatsfarming.com/news/carrick-winter-fair

how can farmers with genuine income difficulties expect to be taken seriously by the fickle media and general public

this type of nonsense does nothing but damage to the image of farming.

tanko

Don't believe everything you read.
Did you see the ten grand being handed over??

Markcheese

There's a lot of very wealthy people who like to spend money hobby farming....

_Brian

Hobby farmers indeed.
People spend €5k and more on push bikes, €20k on vintage cars.

Lads spend €50k plus on running rally cars.

People spend big money on odd things, cattle included.

Odelay

Will need around €20 a kg at the factory to break even.

einn32

There's two types of farmers. Those who farm with money and those who farm for money.

Lano Lynn

tanko wrote: »

Don't believe everything you read.
Did you see the ten grand being handed over??

that's not the point, the average punter down the pub on a Tuesday sees the farming indo on the counter and just sees the headline and then has to sit in gridlock caused by the protest yesterday...…

I know it is more than likely a set up but it is just plain stupid:mad:

Lano Lynn

einn32 wrote: »

There's two types of farmers. Those who farm with money and those who farm for money.

how to make a small fortune in farming......start with a large one

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

Hobby farmers indeed.
People spend €5k and more on push bikes, €20k on vintage cars.

Lads spend €50k plus on running rally cars.

People spend big money on odd things, cattle included.

And proper order we worked hard enough to earn it, not all farmers haven't money

Albert Johnson

Lano Lynn wrote: »

that's not the point, the average punter down the pub on a Tuesday sees the farming indo on the counter and just sees the headline and then has to sit in gridlock caused by the protest yesterday...…

I know it is more than likely a set up but it is just plain stupid:mad:

Is this the same punter who'll knock back a few pints at a fiver or more a time and boast to the other regulars about the skiing trip himself, the missus and kids are off on between Xmas and New year? I'm not that sure if he was overly concerned about our (poor farmer's) plight to start with being honest. I'm not defending the actions of those above but everyone lives in there own bubble to an extent and what's stupid to me is perfectly reasonable to someone else. I'm often asked by a relation how I can justify running a jeep, the extra fuel costs and why wouldn't a car do me and not be wasting money. The same fella will smoke 2 packets of fags a day at €13 odd per packet but there a totally reasonable expense in his eyes.

FarmerBrowne

Would you not be a nervous wreck to own an animal like that? Even if it coughed you would fear it would keel over, not to mention the stress you would be under when it came to calving her.

dohc turbo2

I was reading a piece on Twitter and lads weren’t overly concerned about the money going by what they were saying with embryo transfers and if she won some of the big shows she would make her money back,

grassroot1

Tanko nailed it above 2 "friends" to pole the animal run to x thousand money never really changes hands.
Anyone who ever did ET work will tell you how hit and miss it is.
You need a patsy for this scam to work

blue5000

tanko wrote: »

Don't believe everything you read.
Did you see the ten grand being handed over??

grassroot1 wrote: »

Tanko nailed it above 2 "friends" to pole the animal run to x thousand money never really changes hands.
Anyone who ever did ET work will tell you how hit and miss it is.
You need a patsy for this scam to work

It wouldn't be the first time;) Special show sales........just these lads got caught out with all the publicity, It would be interesting to see who's herd number she's in today.

Bullocks

When he opened her at 10k and then said" we'll see " when someone around the ring laughed at the price.
I'm sure he got a good commission whether the money changed hands or not!

Bass Reeves

wrangler wrote: »

Just got a story on the €10000 heifer in carrick,
The buyer came over in helicopter from wales I think and judged on first day.
Went home and came back next day and bought the heifer, then went up to the North and paid €6500 for another one.

From the beef price tracker thread

Limestone Cowboy

Outside of the the 10k heifer its a bit of a cod in general. There's lads around here buying an odd good heifer in the mart, giving them a haircut, sticking a halter on them and doubling their money in a few weeks. I don't begrudge them but who are the fools buying them?

cosatron

what I don't understand is that its not even a pedigree animal. its a bbx, so you can't breed bulls out of her for breeding and stock out of her will never attain pedigree status. I would justify the price is the animal was a full purebred with a great linage but 10k for Belgium blue of a limousine cow is pure folly in my view.

Bass Reeves

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Outside of the the 10k heifer its a bit of a cod in general. There's lads around here buying an odd good heifer in the mart, giving them a haircut, sticking a halter on them and doubling their money in a few weeks. I don't begrudge them but who are the fools buying them?

It's the same in horse racing. There are lads that specializes in buying foals/young horses trading them and getting them to win a point to point. They then flog them on for 50k+.

It an ego for some business people from a farming background that buy a bit of land. Buy a heifer like that win a few shows as a yearling, breed her win a few shows as a cow and calf unit. Hope as well to breed a few potential future show winners as well.

The lad that bough her was a show judge. He obviously saw something in her colouring/shape that makes him think she has potential to recoup his investment. He may even have bought her for another business person who is involved in similar farming

Bass Reeves

cosatron wrote: »

what I don't understand is that its not even a pedigree animal. its a bbx, so you can't breed bulls out of her for breeding and stock out of her will never attain pedigree status. I would justify the price is the animal was a full purebred with a great linage but 10k for Belgium blue of a limousine cow is pure folly in my view.

Technically you can. With the new star system and genetic testing it is no longer necessary to breed pedigree. In the US and Canada breeding of hybrid bulls is big business. Google ''Canada bulls'' . In Australia and New Zealand hybrids are a big business in the sheep side

patsy_mccabe

Look at the Limousin bull DOLCORSLLWYN FABIO. He cost €126K in 2012 at Carlisle. Only 43 animals registered to him here in Ireland. 260 in the UK.

Or the horse Green Monkey, cost €126million. Bought by Coolmore.The less said the better.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

cosatron

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Technically you can. With the new star system and genetic testing it is no longer necessary to breed pedigree. In the US and Canada breeding of hybrid bulls is big business. Google ''Canada bulls'' . In Australia and New Zealand hybrids are a big business in the sheep side

interesting, so what society will this animal belong to. I thought suckler farmers had to run pedigree bulls to attain a certain grant

blue5000

cosatron wrote: »

interesting, so what society will this animal belong to. I thought suckler farmers had to run pedigree bulls to attain a certain grant

5 star across breeds is acceptable. Look at stabiliser cattle for example, 4 way cross and they are producing the goods.

http://www.jennifermackenzie.co.uk/2005/07/stabiliser.html

cosatron

blue5000 wrote: »

5 star across breeds is acceptable. Look at stabiliser cattle for example, 4 way cross and they are producing the goods.

http://www.jennifermackenzie.co.uk/2005/07/stabiliser.html

will this in turn has an adverse effect on pedigree breeders down the road or is there still a market for pedigree stock. the prices of some of the stock at the sale were better than the last pedigree limousine sale. I was actually on the lookout for stabiliser straws last season for our dairy herd but I couldn't source them in time so I tried aubracs.

Donald Trump

Lano Lynn wrote: »

https://www.thatsfarming.com/news/carrick-winter-fair

how can farmers with genuine income difficulties expect to be taken seriously by the fickle media and general public

this type of nonsense does nothing but damage to the image of farming.

Yeah, sure tell Paddy Mac not to be moaning and going on about pulling stones out of his 40 acres on the side of a hill down west. He obviously must be minted. Sure you get fellas paying over 7m for farms these days.

Bass Reeves

cosatron wrote: »

interesting, so what society will this animal belong to. I thought suckler farmers had to run pedigree bulls to attain a certain grant

These are what are know as Terminal sires. They are bred for commercial breeding as opposed to pedigree breeding. As blue pointed out the stabiliser breed is a cross bred terminal sires. Using Hybrids you get hybrid vigor. Ideally you need 2-3 generations of pure bloodlines (pedigree) to be able to get the advantage of hybrid vigour.

The lads buying such a hybrid cannot most of the time get the advantage of breeding bull prices. In this heifer case this may be possible.

In Canada and the US Hybrids bulls are mostly 1/2-3/4 bred traditional breed and other part is continental. These are used as Terminal sires on ranches to breed mostly a 3/4 traditional breed calf ( most herds are either AA or HE) and 1/4 continental.

This give a calf that has birth traits of traditional breeds (hardy, able to get up and suckle itself) but also has the ability to grow faster than traditional breeds and achieve higher finished weights. They still retain the marbling quality in the meat.

Fleckveigh a tradition dual purpose seems to be one of the favourite choices and farmers retain some of the heifers for future cows. This then bring in the need for 3/4 breed hybrids to prevent going long-term to a 50% Contenental animal with the issues of birth weight and hardiness being a problem.

I think hybrid bulls is something we should seriously consider breeding for terminal sires in Ireland. However unless marts showed the technical breeding of these dairy crossbreds farmers found it would not get the benefit.
A 50% with 25%AA or HE and 25%C or BB might well give us a good quality animal capable of finishing at 350kgs at 22 months

charolais0153

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Outside of the the 10k heifer its a bit of a cod in general. There's lads around here buying an odd good heifer in the mart, giving them a haircut, sticking a halter on them and doubling their money in a few weeks. I don't begrudge them but who are the fools buying them?

A lad bought a fine heifer for 1600 in a mart, she got 3rd prize sold her for her 1600 and had to give 20 luck to get it hahah,

Bullocks

cosatron wrote: »

what I don't understand is that its not even a pedigree animal. its a bbx, so you can't breed bulls out of her for breeding and stock out of her will never attain pedigree status. I would justify the price is the animal was a full purebred with a great linage but 10k for Belgium blue of a limousine cow is pure folly in my view.

Personally I prefer x bred commercial cattle over purebred to look at. I still wouldn't give 10k for one though.