E vehicle with 300 km or more range

masterboy123

1. I am looking for recommendations for an EV which provides a minimum of 300 km ramge per full charge in winter weather please. (Mixed driving 200 km motorway @110 kmph and 100 km city drive @40 kmph)

2. Also, what would be the approx cost € from 10% battery to a full 100%? (Note: don't have a night rate meter).

3. Also, what's the yearly maintenance cost and are there any unexpected costs that one should be mindful of?

4. Do you recommend new vs 1 or 2 years used? I am unfamiliar with depreciation in EV.

5. Thanks so much

graememk

1) These are WLTP ratings, Its more accurate than the older rating but still take them with a pinch of salt!
Tesla Model 3 LR is 560km(348miles) SR+ is 409km
E Niro 64kw is 450km, Kona is the same,
Leaf 62kw is around 385km
They all should be able to do the 300km (leaf could be skimpy)

Take the Niro for example, ev-database.org has a real world rage of 375 on it,
Highway in "cold" conditions (-10c) is 265
city is 375 and combined is 320.
We dont get many -10c days here!

2)
Cost to charge on a normal 24hr tariff (would really recommend getting night right as it will more than half the cost) say using 60kw to charge at what my current 24hr rate is, approx 16c/kwh would be about €9.60

Also to charge them at home you will need to get a charger (7.2kw) as a normal granny cable wont have them charged by morning

3)
Maintenance should just be a yearly service, and it should be less then a traditional car. there's no fuel filters, oil filters etc, Brake pads dont wear as much either

4)
There isn't that many 2nd hand cars on the market... yet, give it a few years, the longer range cars are just coming onto the market. Depreciation is just as bad as any other new car

Gumbo

masterboy123 wrote: »

1. I am looking for recommendations for an EV which provides a minimum of 300 km ramge per full charge in winter weather please. (Mixed driving 200 km motorway @110 kmph and 100 km city drive @40 kmph)

2. Also, what would be the approx cost € from 10% battery to a full 100%? (Note: don't have a night rate meter).

3. Also, what's the yearly maintenance cost and are there any unexpected costs that one should be mindful of?

4. Do you recommend new vs 1 or 2 years used? I am unfamiliar with depreciation in EV.

5. Thanks so much

Whats your budget as that will determine if there's a car for you.

Gumbo

masterboy123 wrote: »

1. I am looking for recommendations for an EV which provides a minimum of 300 km ramge per full charge in winter weather please. (Mixed driving 200 km motorway @110 kmph and 100 km city drive @40 kmph)

2. Also, what would be the approx cost € from 10% battery to a full 100%? (Note: don't have a night rate meter).

3. Also, what's the yearly maintenance cost and are there any unexpected costs that one should be mindful of?

4. Do you recommend new vs 1 or 2 years used? I am unfamiliar with depreciation in EV.

5. Thanks so much

1. Tesla, possibly the 64 KWh range of cars like the eNiro, Leaf 62 or Kona.
2. Depends on battery size. (Battery size in KWh x unit rate of electricity). So a typical example (without night rate) would be 64x18c = €11.52 for a full charge on one of the above 64 KWh cars.
3. Motor tax of 120, insurance (mine is 299 on an i3). Service is every 2 years. Then there's the usual perishables like tyres, wiper blades etc depending on mileage.
4. Budget and based on your requirements, you need to be at the top end here.

masterboy123

Budget is 30-35k max.

I suppose Tesla is way above my budget. What about used eKona or eniro or 62kwh Leaf?

kceire wrote: »

Whats your budget as that will determine if there's a car for you.

Gumbo

masterboy123 wrote: »

Budget is 30-35k max.

I suppose Tesla is way above my budget. What about used eKona or eniro or 62kwh Leaf?

The 300km in winter may hinder you.
Maybe one of the owners can confirm.

masterboy123

If I slow down speed from 110 kmph to 100 kmph and use heating intermittently, would that help?
Owners please confirm.

kceire wrote: »

The 300km in winter may hinder you.
Maybe one of the owners can confirm.

drunkmonkey

Model 3 long range will do about 335km in winter at a constant 120km/h. That's about as good as it gets at the moment.

Go to about 4.30 here...they've some good tests on EV's if you don't mind subtitles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAjMlQjXvaM

Lantus

masterboy123 wrote: »

If I slow down speed from 110 kmph to 100 kmph and use heating intermittently, would that help?
Owners please confirm.

If your spending 35k or more on an EV do you really want to consider this to be able to make your destination?

unkel

masterboy123 wrote: »

Budget is 30-35k max.

The only car that can do your range for that budget is the Leaf 62kWh (with scrappage) and it will be very tight in winter, possibly won't make it.

Forget about second hand Kona and eNiro 64kWh, there aren't any and if there were, you'd pay as much second hand as they are new

Up your budget by a tiny bit and you'll get the Kia eSoul 64kWh, which will do the job for you

masterboy123

64kwh shows a range of 420 km, is that exaggerated?

I will have a look at eSoul.

unkel wrote: »

The only car that can do your range for that budget is the Leaf 62kWh (with scrappage) and it will be very tight in winter, possibly won't make it.

Forget about second hand Kona and eNiro 64kWh, there aren't any and if there were, you'd pay as much second hand as they are new

Up your budget by a tiny bit and you'll get the Kia eSoul 64kWh, which will do the job for you

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

The only car that can do your range for that budget is the Leaf 62kWh (with scrappage) and it will be very tight in winter, possibly won't make it.

Forget about second hand Kona and eNiro 64kWh, there aren't any and if there were, you'd pay as much second hand as they are new

Up your budget by a tiny bit and you'll get the Kia eSoul 64kWh, which will do the job for you

Leaf62/Kona/Niro/Esoul


Will not do 300km all year round on the motorway.
Now, I drive 120 GPS, but I'm just about getting that 300km mark in my Model S now due to cold weather, preheating (with PTC) on multiple trips without plugging in etc.


Kona etc efficiency in the cold is shocking.

jordan191

yeah I spoke with a woman at the ionity charger in athlone last week, she had driven a 140km from Dublin & was on her way back to Dublin & wasn't confident that she would make it home & was looking to charge, winter range was much reduced in her kona, also I completed a 350kms trip last week at 7 degrees, terrible weather on a 90% single charge on a M3 Long range car at 105km/hr so that trip is possible

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

Leaf62/Kona/Niro/Esoul

Will not do 300km all year round on the motorway.

..but to be clear, that question wasn't actually asked.

masterboy123 wrote: »

I am looking for recommendations for an EV which provides a minimum of 300 km range per full charge in winter weather please. (Mixed driving 200 km motorway @110 kmph and 100 km city drive @40 kmph)

But in any case a Kona is out of budget so I guess it doesn't matter.

drunkmonkey

The weather hasn't been bad at all, Paddy's day can be colder than anything we've seen so far this year. There's 4mts of God only knows weather wise ahead.

Lumen

I know it's super annoying to be told that your requirements might not really be your requirements, but it is worth pointing out that the difference between a ~30k 50kWh car (e-208, Zoe) with probably 250km winter range and a ~40k 64kWh car with say 300km winter range is only about 10 minutes at a fast charger.

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

..but to be clear, that question wasn't actually asked.



But in any case a Kona is out of budget so I guess it doesn't matter.

"I am looking for recommendations for an EV which provides a minimum of 300 km ramge per full charge in winter weather please"


Either way, I wouldnt reccomend anything other than a Tesla for this and even then it may be touch and go in really bad weather

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

I know it's super annoying to be told that your requirements might not really be your requirements, but it is worth pointing out that the difference between a ~30k 50kWh car (e-208, Zoe) with probably 250km winter range and a ~40k 64kWh car with say 300km winter range is only about 10 minutes at a fast charger.

If the 300 to 250 delta is only an edge case and the 250km met comfortably your day to day range I agree.

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

"I am looking for recommendations for an EV which provides a minimum of 300 km ramge per full charge in winter weather please"

You edited out the important bit. I even put it in bold.

unkel

The 64kWh triplets (Kona, eNiro, eSoul) can do 200km at 110km/h and 100km at 40km/h no problem in winter. That's the requirement of the OP. His budget is slightly short.

masterboy123

Thanks for clarification.

Yes budget is bit tight and don't want to take loan, which will defeat the whole purpose of savings. Will wait and watch, as someone said 64kwh car will be available as 2nd hand in the near future.

unkel wrote: »

The 64kWh triplets (Kona, eNiro, eSoul) can do 200km at 110km/h and 100km at 40km/h no problem in winter. That's the requirement of the OP. His budget is slightly short.

Silent Running

I'm sorry guys, but PMSL at some of the range figures thrown about for the 64kWh Niro. :D

I'm heading to the UK again in January and I'm planning my first and only stop at around 300kms. It's bound to be cold in January too. Based on my cold, wet driving range here, I'm not expecting a brown trouser moment.

Mike9832

Buy an i3 in the UK

You'll still save a fortune

As that yoke will do close to 150km motorway, 200km regional

Do rest journey on petrol, no bolloxing with chargers

Youd get a 1-2 year old under 25k easy

ELM327

Mike9832 wrote: »

Buy an i3 in the UK

You'll still save a fortune

As that yoke will do close to 150km motorway, 200km regional

Do rest journey on petrol, no bolloxing with chargers

Youd get a 1-2 year old under 25k easy

Vrt is practically free

If you like driving a moon buggy with a motorbike engine

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

I'm sorry guys, but PMSL at some of the range figures thrown about for the 64kWh Niro. :D

I'm heading to the UK again in January and I'm planning my first and only stop at around 300kms. It's bound to be cold in January too. Based on my cold, wet driving range here, I'm not expecting a brown trouser moment.

300km would be fine but not if it's all motorway at 120 with heating on etc.
Have you watched Bjorn's winter review?

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

If you like driving a moon buggy with a motorbike engine

Maybe

Still drives better than anything that isn't a Tesla

Idbatterim

so you might, if the weather is cold, have to slow down towards the end your trip, does anyone honestly care, when they are saving that kind of money on fuel? about an extra 5 minutes or so?!

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

300km would be fine but not if it's all motorway at 120 with heating on etc.
Have you watched Bjorn's winter review?

Yeah I have... gives me great confidence that It won't be a problem. :cool:

Black_Knight

masterboy123 wrote: »

Thanks for clarification.

Yes budget is bit tight and don't want to take loan, which will defeat the whole purpose of savings. Will wait and watch, as someone said 64kwh car will be available as 2nd hand in the near future.

Wouldn't count on that being too soon. I don't see what the current batch of 64kWh car owners would be trading up to. If I had an eNiro, I'd not sell it, and if I was selling I know I'd have a great market to sell into (supply Vs demand, it'll hold its value)

unkel

I remember someone posting they'd buy my Ioniq off me after a year (or was it 2 years?) for €15k. Look what happened

Cars in high demand and in short supply, don't really depreciate much. This will hold true in particular for eNiro 64kWh as it offers much better value for money than Kona 64kWh imho

Lantus

The realistic available evs don't really match your budget. Reality is that these cars are expensive even with grants so suit people who would be comfortably spending 40k on a car anyway.

I'd look at a well spec'd auto diesel with a view to switch to ev in 3 years once there is a slightly better developed market, more choice and better pricing.

Joseph SEE

Lantus wrote: »

I'd look at a well spec'd auto diesel with a view to switch to ev in 3 years once there is a slightly better developed market, more choice and better pricing.

Hopefully, the OP cares about people's health. Diesel has no place in Ireland.