silage wrapper

weatherbyfoxer

looking to buy a clean secondhand wrapper, a mchale bjs or similar model connor..would anyone have any advice of what to watch out for in wear or damage?

emaherx

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

looking to buy a clean secondhand wrapper, a mchale bjs or similar model connor..would anyone have any advice of what to watch out for in wear or damage?

The usual cracks in machines especially where drawbar meats body. Wear on bushes from lifting Arm, if there is a lot of movement there it can fail to place bale on table. Although to be fair all above are easy fixes.

Check for leaks from hydraulic motor and if table can rock up and down, apart from that make sure cables and buttons work valve chest correctly. Cables are fiddly to replace on BJS it's a bit of a pain to set new ones correctly.

Finally make sure cut/hold mechanism holds closed long enough to load the next bale and start it off.

Limestone Cowboy

emaherx wrote: »

The usual cracks in machines especially where drawbar meats body. Wear on bushes from lifting Arm, if there is a lot of movement there it can fail to place bale on table. Although to be fair all above are easy fixes.

Check for leaks from hydraulic motor and if table can rock up and down, apart from that make sure cables and buttons work valve chest correctly. Cables are fiddly to replace on BJS it's a bit of a pain to set new ones correctly.

Finally make sure cut/hold mechanism holds closed long enough to load the next bale and start it off.

I thought the bjs was a servo joystick.

davidk1394

Make sure the cut and tie mechanism is working and not bent or welded, the pump underneath for turning the table isn't leaking, the belts on the table are in good order and make sure it counts the rotations correctly

emaherx

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I thought the bjs was a servo joystick.

Oh possibly, mine is joystick cable controls, but can't remember the exact designation.

weatherbyfoxer

thanks for that lads..going to look at a mchale bjs in the next few days..ill check all of the above

emaherx

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

thanks for that lads..going to look at a mchale bjs in the next few days..ill check all of the above

Good luck with it, those wrappers are relatively simple machines, a good one should do you many years with little maintenance other than regular greasing.

weatherbyfoxer

only thing im told you have to hold the joystick continuously while the turntable spins..sounds a bit of a pain..tbh..anyone with a bjs that can clarify this??

emaherx

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

only thing im told you have to hold the joystick continuously while the turntable spins..sounds a bit of a pain..tbh..anyone with a bjs that can clarify this??

Been working a cable controlled version for the past 20 years and that's is true of it, no idea about the electronic version but hardly a big deal to hold a joystick while operating a machine. I'm sure there is very little resistance in electronic version compared to cable controls.

Limestone Cowboy

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

only thing im told you have to hold the joystick continuously while the turntable spins..sounds a bit of a pain..tbh..anyone with a bjs that can clarify this??

Ya you do. I'd rather be in control to be honest than the likes of the Conor wrapper that goes into auto. I wrapped about 50k bales with one of them and never found it a problem. In a flat field with solid good square bales you'd get 70/hr out of it if you were going well.

lab man

if tis c wire loom type make sure the cable is not damaged as a loom is 700 euro I found out the hard way

GrasstoMilk

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Ya you do. I'd rather be in control to be honest than the likes of the Conor wrapper that goes into auto. I wrapped about 50k bales with one of them and never found it a problem. In a flat field with solid good square bales you'd get 70/hr out of it if you were going well.

Have a fully auto BER McHale here.
Put the bale on the arm and press start and drive on to the next bale. Drove a joystick one fit a day a few years ago and it drove me wild with all.the beeping. I have it set that it doesn't throw off the bale when its finished wrapping, theres an auto button to press than will throw off the bale and bring the turn table back around to start position again

emaherx

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Have a fully auto BER McHale here.
Put the bale on the arm and press start and drive on to the next bale. Drove a joystick one fit a day a few years ago and it drove me wild with all.the beeping. I have it set that it doesn't throw off the bale when its finished wrapping, theres an auto button to press than will throw off the bale and bring the turn table back around to start position again

What's the difference in cost of that model though? For a farmer only wrapping a few days a year manual controls are fine. Friend of mine has a wrapper with all individual levers for the different functions, joystick is a big step up from that, but again if your used to it and don't have a massive volume of bales it does the job just fine.

Limestone Cowboy

emaherx wrote: »

What's the difference in cost of that model though? For a farmer only wrapping a few days a year manual controls are fine. Friend of mine has a wrapper with all individual levers for the different functions, joystick is a big step up from that, but again if your used to it and don't have a massive volume of bales it does the job just fine.

The 4 levers aren't much slower than the joystick if you are used to them. Awful awkward to get a nice spot in the cab for them though and the valve chest can get hot. I don't think any auto wrapper would have the table spinning as fast as we used to have it.

lab man

Limestone Cowboy wrote:

The 4 levers aren't much slower than the joystick if you are used to them. Awful awkward to get a nice spot in the cab for them though and the valve chest can get hot. I don't think any auto wrapper would have the table spinning as fast as we used to have it.

I bought a twin wrapper second hand here this year gave a few probs not landing in proper position . we finally found out that the loom was broken and re joined so that gave wrong signals . when going properly I'd say you'd do 70 an hour easily

GrasstoMilk

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

The 4 levers aren't much slower than the joystick if you are used to them. Awful awkward to get a nice spot in the cab for them though and the valve chest can get hot. I don't think any auto wrapper would have the table spinning as fast as we used to have it.

I have it up at 35 on good mchale bales. Have done 60 an hour on good days with the bigger rolls of wrap

weatherbyfoxer

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Have a fully auto BER McHale here.
Put the bale on the arm and press start and drive on to the next bale. Drove a joystick one fit a day a few years ago and it drove me wild with all.the beeping. I have it set that it doesn't throw off the bale when its finished wrapping, theres an auto button to press than will throw off the bale and bring the turn table back around to start position again

actually going to look at a 2009 ber tomorrow..bale count under 20000..does the control box give any trouble on them?

GrasstoMilk

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

actually going to look at a 2009 ber tomorrow..bale count under 20000..does the control box give any trouble on them?

Ours is 09 I think or maybe a year older. The buttons can go dodgy on the box but can be fixed I think. We never had any trouble with ours, take the box into the house every winter

weatherbyfoxer

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Ours is 09 I think or maybe a year older. The buttons can go dodgy on the box but can be fixed I think. We never had any trouble with ours, take the box into the house every winter

thanks grasstomilk,thats the fear i have with buying a used ber,at least its in a reputable garage that will stand over it

eire23

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

The 4 levers aren't much slower than the joystick if you are used to them. Awful awkward to get a nice spot in the cab for them though and the valve chest can get hot. I don't think any auto wrapper would have the table spinning as fast as we used to have it.

I'd agree with ya on that, no way could ya wrap as quick with the auto. Ya would have bales flying off everywhere. With the joy stick ya can just ease her off if feels like a uneven bale is about to fly. 77 a hour was my best. Not always achievable thought with bales badly lined etc.

GrasstoMilk

eire23 wrote: »

I'd agree with ya on that, no way could ya wrap as quick with the auto. Ya would have bales flying off everywhere. With the joy stick ya can just ease her off if feels like a uneven bale is about to fly. 77 a hour was my best. Not always achievable thought with bales badly lined etc.

Just drop back the revs if you think it's going to fly off
Or wrap it manually