This lad missing. Why such a weird article

emo72

https://www.thejournal.ie/aman-brid-singh-chopra-missing-clare-4901473-Nov2019/

Why are comments barred or deleted.
He's an Afghan lad. And it just seems weird to me. He doesn't look like a teen-ager in the photo, but granted, he may look older than he actually is.

What's going on here?

Padre_Pio

emo72 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/aman-brid-singh-chopra-missing-clare-4901473-Nov2019/

Why are comments barred or deleted.
He's an Afghan lad. And it just seems weird to me. He doesn't look like a teen-ager in the photo, but granted, he may look older than he actually is.

What's going on here?

Why such a bad photo? Looks like a scan of a printed photograph or a passport.

Even the most recluse person must have better photos saved on someone's phone.

sabat

What's the problem? He's an Afghan teenager with two Indian surnames and prenaturally lush facial hair who fled the war and made it all the way here unaccompanied. Perfectly believable.

katiek102010

This is why

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-refugees-migrants-two-thirds-home-office-dental-teeth-david-davies-a7369186.html

katiek102010

Sorry could not comment after posting the link.

In UK, Sweeden etc when "child" migrants have undergone medical testing, they are no longer children.

Naturally this will cause issues. Child migrants do not go through the same security as adults, are also often placed in Foster care etc. Are also less likely to face deportation.

Being female and not having any brothers I'm not to familiar with male puberty. What's the odds on an irish teen having a full beard by 15/16

Rows Grower

I actually have the number of Ennis Garda station written down in front of me, going to ring them when I go outside and have reception as I saw a fella very similar looking to him yesterday in Cork city.

Beechwoodspark

Odd article alright.

dunno why but I don’t think we are getting the full story here

nthclare

Kilkishen is the last bastion of earth, lonely,wet and full of pot kettle lake's, old castle's fort's and ruins.

Us northern Clare people don't dare cross the frontier and dare to climb that wall of division, although my dad once went there for the golden Owl...

There be local natives roaming those wetlands, he who dares get off his steed in kilkishen is indeed a brave man.

Hopefully he's ok and as far away as possible from that dreadful place.
I'd run from it too, gets tricky around the Sixmilebridge border as they're a rival tribe,but they welcome visitors in a more civilized way.

It took a man from India to put it on the map,and hopefully he'll be found safe and sound.

Maybe just maybe Kilkishen will gain from this, whether it be possible I don't know...

If he's in Cork maybe he's in the right place, its diverse and inclusive, the real Capital

Hector Savage

!!
TEENAGER!!!

F*ck off media, no one believes your lies and bullsh1t anymore... no one.

katiek102010

Hector Savage wrote: »

!!
TEENAGER!!!

F*ck off media, no one believes your lies and bullsh1t anymore... no one.

Imho juvenile means age 11-14. Definitely would not be compatible with a picture of a man with a beard

Hector Savage

Anyway, we shouldn't be all so bigoted, Sean O Rourke told me he is a Clare man as much as any Clare native is .... so there!!

Checkmate racists!

nthclare

Hector Savage wrote: »

Anyway, we shouldn't be all so bigoted, Sean O Rourke told me he is a Clare man as much as any Clare native is .... so there!!

Checkmate racists!

Let him suggest that to the Kilkishen tribesmen, they're very staunch and territorial.

Irish Guitarist

They didn't mention his age anywhere in the article. They just describe him as a "juvenile" and a "teenager". Usually when a teenager is missing they say something like "16 year old missing".

Boggles

katiek102010 wrote: »

Imho juvenile means age 11-14.

No it doesn't.

ThunbergsAreGo

Boggles wrote: »

No it doesn't.

It is odd they don't give an age.....

sasta le

Cause they know something about it is dodgy

Sonny noggs

Are you all just assuming the missing persons gender?

sbsquarepants

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Odd article alright.

dunno why but I don’t think we are getting the full story here

Am i missing something - what's so odd about the article?

Apart from the obvious big hairy man is clearly not a child thing that is!:D:D

I'm a bit conflicted on the whole refugee issue. I mean sometimes you've just gotta do what you've gotta do to get on. If i was from some god forsaken shít hole like Afghanastan, i'd do anything required to get out of it. I've told plenty of porkies to suit my needs over the years as it is.....but come on now - if you're trying to pass yourself off as a child, at least have a god damn shave.

He should be deported for stupidity alone, there are enough home grown idiots in this country, we don't need to be importing any more of them!

jmayo

The same thing happened in Roundwood in Wicklow.
Discrete short stories appearing in a couple of publications about some lads missing from Roundwood.
Names given and pictures of supposed minors.

Then nothing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/adem-shehu-wicklow-roundwood-4401219-Dec2018/

https://www.thejournal.ie/wicklow-teen-missing-3274093-Mar2017/

They sure as hell weren't locals, but that was not mentioned.
It was Wicklow teens missing.

Birneybau

The comments are closed because the commentariat on the Journal are even worse than some of the nobbers here. I'd imagine the whole comment section was 'He joyned (sic) Isis the dirty rat' and all that kind of crap.

Illiterate dregs of society.

katiek102010

Boggles wrote: »

No it doesn't.

What would you class as a juvenile.


The definition of a juvenile is very young/ childish. In my opinion a juvenile teenager would indicate pre teen / younger teenage years

katiek102010

jmayo wrote: »

The same thing happened in Roundwood in Wicklow.
Discrete short stories appearing in a couple of publications about some lads missing from Roundwood.
Names given and pictures of supposed minors.

Then nothing.

https://www.thejournal.ie/adem-shehu-wicklow-roundwood-4401219-Dec2018/

https://www.thejournal.ie/wicklow-teen-missing-3274093-Mar2017/

They sure as hell weren't locals, but that was not mentioned.
It was Wicklow teens missing.

Now those lads in those pics appear to be quite young

Boggles

katiek102010 wrote: »

What would you class as a juvenile.

It's not in my remit to class it.

katiek102010 wrote: »

The definition of a juvenile is very young/ childish. In my opinion a juvenile teenager would indicate pre teen / younger teenage years

The literal definition.

relating to a young person who is not yet old enough to be considered an adult

washman3

From my time in GAA, a juvenile player was Under-16. After that they are considered minors. Actually if i ever referred to one of them as a juvenile they would take issue with it, as they consider themselves young men.

From this picture, if this guy ran on a GAA pitch as an U-16 both he and the club would be laughed out the gate.
Add in the fact that this picture was possibly taken a year or maybe more ago.
What's all this pussy-footing about with these folks in modern day Ireland.

Beechwoodspark

If someone handed me that snap and asked me to estimate his age I’d say rough guess 23/24 bracket. Def not any younger to my eyes anyway.

biko

Afghans systematically report as underage for preferential treatment and sped-up process. They can easily be as old as 30 but report as 15

Often they are used by older women working in the asylum system and cannot refuse as they think they'll get deported then.

Balf

emo72 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/aman-brid-singh-chopra-missing-clare-4901473-Nov2019/

Why are comments barred or deleted.
He's an Afghan lad. And it just seems weird to me. He doesn't look like a teen-ager in the photo, but granted, he may look older than he actually is.

What's going on here?

I suspect that because, as least formally, he's deemed to be a child that the Gardaí have to, at least formally, treat the case as if it actually involved a missing child.

And I suspect you'll find their own procedures for dealing with missing children include issuing a media release at some point.

Hence the slightly disconnected story.

Eric Cartman

emo72 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/aman-brid-singh-chopra-missing-clare-4901473-Nov2019/

Why are comments barred or deleted.
He's an Afghan lad. And it just seems weird to me. He doesn't look like a teen-ager in the photo, but granted, he may look older than he actually is.

What's going on here?

Thejournal just look at every story before hitting post, and if they know the public are going to rightfully call it out or say things against their bias then its easier to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend everythings allright.


Ive basically used it as a barometer right now, if the comments are closed then the subject of the story is either involved in an ongoing courtcase or would be quite rightly exposed as a criminal or scammer in the comments section.

That theyve closed the comments section on this means even the bleeding heart behind thejournal keyboard knows he’s pulling a trick and just dont want that pointed out to those who cant see it

biko

biko wrote: »

Afghans systematically report as underage for preferential treatment and sped-up process. They can easily be as old as 30 but report as 15

Often they are used by older women working in the asylum system and cannot refuse as they think they'll get deported then.

Guy in the top right is considering going back to the warzone

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Guy in the top right is considering going back to the warzone

Yurt2

With his surname and the headwear in the photo, one would suspect he's an Indian Sikh. There are Sikhs in Afghanistan as far as I know, but they're few and far between. We probably have more Sikhs in Dublin than Kabul.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thejournal just look at every story before hitting post,

This thread is proof they made the right call.

mynamejeff

Unbelievably he is actually claiming to be 13 , yes 13 years of age,

i mean he isnt even trying to be convincing as a liar

Bobblehats

Yurt! wrote: »

With his surname and the headwear in the photo, one would suspect he's an Indian Sikh.

They Sikh him here
They Sikh him there
His clothes are loud
But never square

biko

Deleted User wrote: »

Guy in the top right is considering going back to the warzone

Maybe he will go back for a holiday https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/refugees-going-on-holidays-must-stop-says-merkel-36074971.html

mynamejeff wrote: »

Unbelievably he is actually claiming to be 13 , yes 13 years of age

Source?

katiek102010

mynamejeff wrote: »

Unbelievably he is actually claiming to be 13 , yes 13 years of age,

i mean he isnt even trying to be convincing as a liar

I take it you are joking or rather I hope you are joking

mynamejeff

katiek102010 wrote: »

I take it you are joking or rather I hope you are joking

i am not ,
he arrived in the country less than 24 hours before he went "missing " claiming to be an unaccompanied minor

its from a source that is not open to the public but that i have seen

katiek102010

mynamejeff wrote: »

i am not ,
he arrived in the country less than 24 hours before he went "missing " claiming to be an unaccompanied minor

its from a source that is not open to the public but that i have seen

Tbh I am not one bit surprised. It was rampant where I worked before and after the jungle in Calais we started medical testing, including dentistry to age people. Do gooders put a stop to it. One case involved gave his age as 15, on medical testing his bone density etc aged I'm in excess of his 30's.

Probably knew they were on to him and took off.

Beechwoodspark

13??

Surely a typo !!

More like 31

Sloppy_Joe

Really brings into question immigration policy and vetting procedures when we have a lad who's gone missing, has a photo taken from what appears to be a passport or some ID and yet they don't know his age. Or else they know his age and know it's bull****.

If we don't know his age, what else do we not know about him?

Balf

washman3 wrote: »

From my time in GAA, a juvenile player was Under-16.

Judging from this:

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/children_and_young_offenders/garda_juvenile_diversion_programme.html

Gardaí seem to regard "juvenile" as meaning aged from 12 years up to under 18 years.

A missing persons report has just been circulated for a lad from Cavan. He’s 17 and they clearly state that, they always do.

Except this one.

AlekSmart

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Is that you at bottom left in that montage :eek: ?

Looks Strawberry to me

As to the age issue,could this lad have made it to Rosslare ?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-children-among-asylum-seekers-found-on-ferry-bound-for-ireland-38715699.html

"They were discovered by staff on the Stena Horizon that generally patrol the lower deck, possibly heard noises coming from the trailer and they summoned the driver."

He described the men as having some "broken English", and said that they are believed to be between 20 and 35, although they are seeking to establish if one of them is a juvenile.

We wish the Gardai well.....:)

AlekSmart

AlekSmart wrote: »

Is that you at bottom left in that montage :eek: ?

Looks Strawberry to me

I’m trying to work out wtf the white thing is going across her chest. Is it a sling?

AlekSmart

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m trying to work out wtf the white thing is going across her chest. Is it a sling?

It's an A4 Page,one of most likely several thousand that each appliction will generate.....:rolleyes:

Gatling

It's actually getting worse so are the pro fake asylum seekers support group

ChikiChiki

You look at Sweden and Germany and think where the **** are we going to be in 10-15 years.

We are a country of 4.8million or whatever. It is unsustainable to be taking in people at the rate we are. Basically cultural suicide.

We cannot be taking in uncontrolled immigration at the rate we are doing. €320 million towards Direct Provisions centres over the next few years is ridiculous.

It's a bad system and they are putting more money into it. It's bad for the local communities and the Asylum seekers.

Slowyourrole

katiek102010 wrote: »

What would you class as a juvenile.


The definition of a juvenile is very young/ childish. In my opinion a juvenile teenager would indicate pre teen / younger teenage years

When it comes to the criminal justice system and TUSLA, the people who deal with missing persons, juveniles are persons under 18 and require additional procedures to be enacted.

Galwayguy35

Goes to show how fooked up the whole process is when that fella is classed as a juvenile.

And the morons in The journal are worse to even put it in the article, Stevie wonder could see he's an adult.

biko

The journos are still learning to self-censor for the "greater good". You see it by comments being turned off.

Swedish mainstream papers used to allow anonymous comments, then moved to facebook connected comments, then turned them off altogether.

There can be only one version of events; the papers'

AlekSmart

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You look at Sweden and Germany and think where the **** are we going to be in 10-15 years.

We are a country of 4.8million or whatever. It is unsustainable to be taking in people at the rate we are. Basically cultural suicide.

We cannot be taking in uncontrolled immigration at the rate we are doing. €320 million towards Direct Provisions centres over the next few years is ridiculous.

It's a bad system and they are putting more money into it. It's bad for the local communities and the Asylum seekers.

Don't be selling us short !

Add to the €320,000,000 the €817,000,000 which we are gifting in Overseas Aid in 2019.

By far the greatest issue in all of this is the Uno Voce principle applied by ALL mainstream political parties,which will have to be dismantled if any progress is to be made.

Make no mistake,but if this current wave of dubious migration is allowed to continue,it will very quickly transport Ireland back to a close representation of the 1950's State we speak so witheringly about....the only difference will be beards and headgear :eek: