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General Election December, 2019 (U.K.)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bambi wrote: »
    I see Labour *edit* are deciding on whether to add an open borders policy to their election manifesto that's on a scale unheard of


    That's them done for anyway. Johnson Brexit it is.

    It passed at their conference.

    And people wonder why the Tories now have a majority of the Working Class lining up.

    As for Laura Pidcock... A person who is considered a serious contender for the Deputy Leadership.

    The Tories will be pulling strings to get her on TV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Farage is accusing the Tories of trying to intimidate candidates out of standing for election.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Good to see Corbyn tackling immigration rhetoric head on:

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1195042683565301761


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Good to see Corbyn tackling immigration rhetoric head on:

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1195042683565301761

    Delighted with that - makes a point and its utterly hilarious too - A step in the right direction from Labour

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,442 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Good to see Corbyn tackling immigration rhetoric head on:

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1195042683565301761

    Did that have to pick a guy that looks like Corbyn?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    yet more crazy "one for everybody in the audience" socialism from Lab.
    we know full well in this country where these daft ideas/attempts to buy the electorate end, and the problem is somebody ie taxpayers/future generations will end up paying for it!

    we also know just how quickly the cost of rolling out nationwide broadband escalates to frightening levels.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7687521/Labour-FREE-ultra-fast-broadband-home-business-renationalised-BT.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 36,022 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    yet more crazy "one for everybody in the audience" socialism from Lab.
    we know full well in this country where these daft ideas/attempts to buy the electorate end, and the problem is somebody ie taxpayers/future generations will end up paying for it!

    we also know just how quickly the cost of rolling out nationwide broadband escalates to frightening levels.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7687521/Labour-FREE-ultra-fast-broadband-home-business-renationalised-BT.html

    So vote Tory for a Brexit deal that will hurt the economy while they use the magic money tree to try and make up for chronic lack of investment in schools, hospitals, etc while giving tax breaks to the very rich!


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I can remember a properly independent yet state-owned Telecom Eireann rolling out digital telephony to every corner of the country in a relatively short period of time; and then the privatised one ignoring all new technology to sweat and/or strip the assets for the guts of a decade.

    The costs being given by private operators for rollouts are including whatever profit margin they have grown accustomed to, for starters


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    So vote Tory for a Brexit deal that will hurt the economy while they use the magic money tree to try and make up for chronic lack of investment in schools, hospitals, etc while giving tax breaks to the very rich!

    if the Tories are shaking the Money Tree, the Corbyn & friends will be burning down the Brazilian Rain Forests to pay for their outlandish socialist promises.

    Bertie & Co. bought (actually borrowed & taxed) elections and it ended in disaster. it'll curious to see if the UK electorate is foolish enough to fall for the same trick, and drive their economy off a cliff.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    if the Tories are shaking the Money Tree, the Corbyn & friends will be burning down the Brazilian Rain Forests to pay for their outlandish socialist promises.

    .

    A government borrowing to invest in infrastructure, health, and education while promising to give the electorate a choice between remaining part of a large neighbouring trading bloc or having a close relationship with said trading bloc = outlandish socialism = will crash the economy.

    A government borrowing to nearly put things back to where there were 10 years ago while promising to cut off ties with large neighbouring trading bloc as quickly as possible and rush through deals with far away trading blocs = prudent economics = 'strong and stable'.

    Strange times getting stranger.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,442 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    if the Tories are shaking the Money Tree, the Corbyn & friends will be burning down the Brazilian Rain Forests to pay for their outlandish socialist promises.

    Bertie & Co. bought (actually borrowed & taxed) elections and it ended in disaster. it'll curious to see if the UK electorate is foolish enough to fall for the same trick, and drive their economy off a cliff.

    Do you know what the Deficit and national debt was 3 years ago versus today?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Every Tory video or message is mentioning Nationalisation or some other left wing ideology

    they are really trying to drag people's dislike/distrust of Corbyn and his background into every part of the election


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    yet more crazy "one for everybody in the audience" socialism from Lab.
    we know full well in this country where these daft ideas/attempts to buy the electorate end, and the problem is somebody ie taxpayers/future generations will end up paying for it!

    we also know just how quickly the cost of rolling out nationwide broadband escalates to frightening levels.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7687521/Labour-FREE-ultra-fast-broadband-home-business-renationalised-BT.html

    Oh well....if the totally scrupulous and unbiased daily mail says so...

    Not going to get into specifics of this without seeing proper details and costings, but the idea of broadband as a service for all that should lie beyond the profiteers who care only about their own narrow interests is one i definitely can get behind.

    Watching nadhim zahawi on sky earlier, seething with anger at how this would affect all his big powerful foreign bondholder pals was instructive. That it might actually benefit the neglected, less well off in society is of no consequence to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    Every Tory video or message is mentioning Nationalisation or some other left wing ideology

    they are really trying to drag people's dislike/distrust of Corbyn and his background into every part of the election

    they don't have to sow seeds of distrust when it comes to Lab's socialist policies.
    McDonnell just said "we will transform people's lives"

    i have no doubt he will.

    if that wasn't so serious i would laugh.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The post is about Lord Buckethead v Count Binface standing against each other, but I notice that the Lib Dems have expanded their party name somewhat to include their actual main policy. Is that the actual Lib Dem candidate or is it another parody one:

    https://twitter.com/Andy_Suth_UK/status/1195058826854195200/photo/1


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robinph wrote: »

    Who on Earth is Norma Burke with an address in Ireland and why is she running in a GE in the UK?? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Diane Abbott doubling down in extending freedom of movement to Britain and opening up family reunification globally, bit just the EU.

    That'll play well in City Bank boardrooms but will be roundly rejected in working class communities.

    Most Polls now have the Conservatives as the largest party of the working class with some areas at near double of Labour.

    Labour left them no choice but to go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who on Earth is Norma Burke with an address in Ireland and why is she running in a GE in the UK?? :confused:

    Oh no...isnt that the "comedian" who tried to pull the same stunt with the presidential election? About as funny as root canal surgery without anaesthetic. Dunno how she's running in uk election though.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who on Earth is Norma Burke with an address in Ireland and why is she running in a GE in the UK?? :confused:

    Possibly registered claiming an address somewhere else in the UK. Irish people can stand, but was sure you needed to be resident in the UK.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭quokula


    Danzy wrote: »
    Diane Abbott doubling down in extending freedom of movement to Britain and opening up family reunification globally, bit just the EU.

    That'll play well in City Bank boardrooms but will be roundly rejected in working class communities.

    Most Polls now have the Conservatives as the largest party of the working class with some areas at near double of Labour.

    Labour left them no choice but to go.

    I know it was only mentioned on the previous page, but worth bringing up again in reply to this.

    https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1195045327050625031

    Your post pretty much encapsulates the caricature of the Tory politician destroying working class communities while blaming immigrants for it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Have to agree with George Monbiot on bbc. Why are labour standing against caroline lucas in brighton? Not only should they be standing down, they should be talking about bringing her into government to work on the environment. A total no brainer for me. Greens going to win the seat anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    robinph wrote: »
    Possibly registered claiming an address somewhere else in the UK. Irish people can stand, but was sure you needed to be resident in the UK.

    She is also known as Bunty Twuntingdon-McFuff. She tried to run for the Áras last year on a policy of turning the place into a spa and hunting lodge. I'd vote for her.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robinph wrote: »
    Possibly registered claiming an address somewhere else in the UK. Irish people can stand, but was sure you needed to be resident in the UK.

    I thought that too but it doesn't specify it here https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/elections/standing/

    How bizarre.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭quokula


    Have to agree with George Monbiot on bbc. Why are labour standing against caroline lucas in brighton? Not only should they be standing down, they should be talking about bringing her into government to work on the environment. A total no brainer for me. Greens going to win the seat anyway.

    She's in an extremely safe seat, and Labour are the only ones with the slightest chance of catching her - the Tories and Lib Dems are nowhere in Brighton.

    If it was a Green / Tory marginal or a Green / Lib Dem marginal then it would make sense, but not sure what the logic would be in Labour stepping down in a seat where after the Greens they have more votes than all the other parties combined.

    I do agree that she'd be a great fit in an environment focussed role in a Labour coalition Government though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    quokula wrote: »
    I know it was only mentioned on the previous page, but worth bringing up again in reply to this.

    https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1195045327050625031

    Your post pretty much encapsulates the caricature of the Tory politician destroying working class communities while blaming immigrants for it.

    Mass immigration is just a part of neoliberalism.

    If Labour call it internationalism, solidarity say they'll increase workers protection etc, it will still be a neoliberalism.

    I think Labour are going to get called out hard by the Working Class.

    They won't vote for the Tories thinking they'll be better for their communities, just less worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,935 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who on Earth is Norma Burke with an address in Ireland and why is she running in a GE in the UK?? :confused:

    A joke candidate

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/11/15/news/irish-woman-norma-burke-to-stand-against-boris-johnson-in-his-own-constituency-1765986/


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    quokula wrote: »
    She's in an extremely safe seat, and Labour are the only ones with the slightest chance of catching her - the Tories and Lib Dems are nowhere in Brighton.

    If it was a Green / Tory marginal or a Green / Lib Dem marginal then it would make sense, but not sure what the logic would be in Labour stepping down in a seat where after the Greens they have more votes than all the other parties combined.

    I do agree that she'd be a great fit in an environment focussed role in a Labour coalition Government though.

    Yeah, fair enough, it would really just be a pr move but it could be one with a bit of value for them.

    The isle of wight is a big green target, so i would definitely consider giving them a free run there. I'm not sure all these alliances are a good thing in general, but this is a unique situation and labour would have a bit to gain by giving the greens a reciprocal gesture or two. Its not admitting weakness to do so, as some labour insiders suggest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Labour now at 20/1 on Paddy Power to get a majority.

    Shocking stuff. Surely anything other than outright victory/majority means Corbyn has to stand down after this election? Like him or loathe him, the man cannot win elections for Labour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    L1011 wrote: »
    I can remember a properly independent yet state-owned Telecom Eireann rolling out digital telephony to every corner of the country in a relatively short period of time; and then the privatised one ignoring all new technology to sweat and/or strip the assets for the guts of a decade.

    The costs being given by private operators for rollouts are including whatever profit margin they have grown accustomed to, for starters

    Do you also remember when Telecom Eireann took 6 months to provision a simple house phone line?
    Let us not romanticise old nationalised industries too much.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    well it's been a most eventful morning.
    the Lab socialist mask has well n truly slipped.

    as if we needed any convincing, we now can see where Corbyn & Mcdonnell's crazy "let's nationalise everything that moves (even if it doesn't move)" will lead.
    confidence will plummet, investment will collapse, talent will flee, strikes, increased taxes, 4 day weeks. SOCIALIST MADNESS.

    Welcome to Corbyn's 1970s!


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