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BMW x5 hybrid vs diesel

  • 10-11-2019 8:06pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭


    Hi
    Looking into getting a 2017 bmw x5 and torn between the hybrid 2l or 3l diesel.

    I have drove bmw 5 series for yrs and stepping up to buy something I've really wanted for years.

    Any advice on efficiency mpg and pushing myself to actually buy a hybrid is terrifyingðŸ˜

    I'm used to 45mpg on my 2015 5 series

    Cheers


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    It's all about what your usage is when considering the hybrid.
    If you only do a few miles each day, it's certainly a contender and muc hb cheaper it seems.
    The 3L diesel is it various power levels is beautiful though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    If you do driving around town then the hybird will be cheaper to run and it will give you more kudos amongst the kind of people who vote for the Green Party whilst owning an SUV and going on several holidays a year.

    For everyone else the diesel is by far the best option.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Some quotes from a 40e owner
    Electric only is 30km which is enough for day to day driving.
    There are 3 electric driving modes which are fairly obvious:
    - Battery only
    - Petrol engine only
    - Auto, the car decides which to use.

    In Auto mode when you’re going down hill or coasting the battery is recharged. We had it out in this mode earlier and the only time the petrol engine kicked in was going up hill. I’d say it’ll be in Auto mode most of the time.

    16.6 MPG on the motorway at speeds in or around the limit.
    19.6 on a more relaxed motorway drive.
    Both Dublin - Galway - dublin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Immortal Starlight


    I usually get around 37mpg from my X5 40d. I used to get 49mpg from my 520d. Don't mind too much though as it's a great all rounder.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I usually get around 37mpg from my X5 40d. I used to get 49mpg from my 520d. Don't mind too much though as it's a great all rounder.

    The 40d is a great engine. It’s screaming for a remap :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Tommyboy40


    kceire wrote: »
    Some quotes from a 40e owner



    16.6 MPG on the motorway at speeds in or around the limit.
    19.6 on a more relaxed motorway drive.
    Both Dublin - Galway - dublin

    19.6 Mpg? I'm getting almost 30 from a V8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    New one due out very soon with e120 motor tax and large increase in battery range. I’d wait another few months , import from uk when it’s 6 months old and save fortune. I don’t think buying one in ireland, now is a good idea!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/plug-in-hybrid-bmw-cleans-up-the-image-of-premium-suvs-1.4075883?mode=amp

    You also get a six cylinder engine with the hybrid. Rather than the old four cylinder. Six cylinder far superior !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭roxychix


    Thanks all.

    Yeah similar issues I've been thinking of. I do a lot driving for work and the hybrid would not be practical. The 3l will not be as efficient as the old 5 series which is my only apprehensions you cant beat 47 to 53 mpg

    More thought and research needed I think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    What attracts you to the x5?
    At the price of a basic 2017 x5, you would be getting a beautiful 5 series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    New one due out very soon with e120 motor tax and large increase in battery range. I’d wait another few months , import from uk when it’s 6 months old and save fortune. I don’t think buying one in ireland, now is a good idea!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/plug-in-hybrid-bmw-cleans-up-the-image-of-premium-suvs-1.4075883?mode=amp

    You also get a six cylinder engine with the hybrid. Rather than the old four cylinder. Six cylinder far superior !

    Assuming the UK is still in the EU of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Will you be paying for it all out of your own pocket? The diesel etc?

    If so, would you consider a tesla?

    If you do a lot of mileage , you’re looking at big depreciation. You’re looking at big depreciation on a 2017 x5 here regardless. Throw that and high mileage together and I’ll say you could lose fifty percent on the car in two years if you buy from a dealer here ...

    Vrt changes in new year. Not sure how it impacts a 2017 x5. But some cars will cost a significant chunk more to import.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    mickdw wrote: »
    What attracts you to the x5?
    At the price of a basic 2017 x5, you would be getting a beautiful 5 series.

    I've often thought of an x5 myself when changing cars but invariably end up in another 5 series. Colleague in work has a 172 30d x5 and I've driven it a couple of times but I have to say, I prefer the 5. There is something appealing about a big premium suv though. The x3 wouldn't be next or near my radar though.
    However, on a recent visit to an Audi dealer I fell in love with both the q8 and the e-tron.
    Can't drop that kind of money but I could potentially get a 3 year old e-tron through the company in a few years if things are still going well and bik rules favour electric vehicles
    For now I'll stick with the saloons


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I had a good run in an x5 m50d and even at that level, I wouldn't have it over a car. You just can't make something so high and heavy perform if you like to really drive it although it did have all the power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    I've often thought of an x5 myself when changing cars but invariably end up in another 5 series. Colleague in work has a 172 30d x5 and I've driven it a couple of times but I have to say, I prefer the 5. There is something appealing about a big premium suv though. The x3 wouldn't be next or near my radar though.
    However, on a recent visit to an Audi dealer I fell in love with both the q8 and the e-tron.
    Can't drop that kind of money but I could potentially get a 3 year old e-tron through the company in a few years if things are still going well and bik rules favour electric vehicles
    For now I'll stick with the saloons

    An e-Tron is in excess of €100k new? BIK is based on original market value so it probably wouldn’t make financial sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Marcusm wrote: »
    An e-Tron is in excess of €100k new? BIK is based on original market value so it probably wouldn’t make financial sense.

    But there's no BIK on electric at the moment. Or now that I think of it is there an upper limit on the value of car that qualifies for it?


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Upper limit is 50k but it’s pro rata after that so you are still getting a 100k car for the bik of a 50k car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Upper limit is 50k but it’s pro rata after that so you are still getting a 100k car for the bik of a 50k car.

    We'll see in a few years so! Pretty tasty machines in my opinion although the jag i pace gets much better reviews.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Upper limit is 50k but it’s pro rata after that so you are still getting a 100k car for the bik of a 50k car.

    Not when it’s 4-5 years old!


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Marcusm wrote: »
    Not when it’s 4-5 years old!

    How many keep company cars that long though so not really a big deal and it would be no different than having a 50k ICE car from a BIK perspective.

    Also depends on mileage and other factors.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    How many keep company cars that long though so not really a big deal and it would be no different than having a 50k ICE car from a BIK perspective.

    Also depends on mileage and other factors.

    Ah its a non runner on the bik thing for me so, was only thinking out loud for a few years down the line anyway.

    They'll sink in value like a stone I can always just buy one when they get to a price I can stomach and afford and claim expenses like I do now.


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  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Personally I think that unless you are doing massive mileage, have 0% or the 5% BIK on a commercial a car allowance and expenses make far more sense. Even a car allowance without expenses would make more sense for many.

    The way BiK is operated on cars in madness imo you should be benefiting much more than you actually do, also people don’t understand the system and it’s not explained to them and then wonder why it’s costing them so much to get a company car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,712 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Personally I think that unless you are doing massive mileage, have 0% or the 5% BIK on a commercial a car allowance and expenses make far more sense. Even a car allowance without expenses would make more sense for many.

    The way BiK is operated on cars in madness imo you should be benefiting much more than you actually do, also people don’t understand the system and it’s not explained to them and then wonder why it’s costing them so much to get a company car.

    Unless you are doing very small mileage (less than 10k per year), BIK is by far the cheapest way to run a car, unless you plan on running bangernomics, and that should be against the company car policy anyway.

    A lot of people forget that their car allowance is taxed, so an €800 a month allowance, leaves you with €400 a month to finance, tax, insure, service, fuel and put tyres on a car.

    Based on a quick calc, you'd probably be able to run an €11,500 car for 4 years on a car allowance of €800 a month, as long as nothing goes wrong with it. At the end of 4 years you will own the car.

    Paying €400 a month in BIK gets you a €36,000 car with everything included (fuel may or may not be included - depends on the employer) and usually 1 phone call if it breaks down, will result in a replacement car arriving until the car is fixed and back with you.

    Having gone from running my own car for a few years, to paying BIK now, I'm much better off paying BIK as well as having a nicer car.


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    R.O.R wrote: »
    Unless you are doing very small mileage (less than 10k per year), BIK is by far the cheapest way to run a car, unless you plan on running bangernomics, and that should be against the company car policy anyway.

    A lot of people forget that their car allowance is taxed, so an €800 a month allowance, leaves you with €400 a month to finance, tax, insure, service, fuel and put tyres on a car.

    Based on a quick calc, you'd probably be able to run an €11,500 car for 4 years on a car allowance of €800 a month, as long as nothing goes wrong with it. At the end of 4 years you will own the car.

    Paying €400 a month in BIK gets you a €36,000 car with everything included (fuel may or may not be included - depends on the employer) and usually 1 phone call if it breaks down, will result in a replacement car arriving until the car is fixed and back with you.

    Having gone from running my own car for a few years, to paying BIK now, I'm much better off paying BIK as well as having a nicer car.

    I don’t have a way to calculate the BIK side but taking your figure of 400 a month I’d have a person better off with a car allowance.

    Assuming fuel is covered as of the people I know with the choice of company car vs car allowance they get a fuel card either way.

    Taking a skoda superb as the numbers are easy to find. List price 35,915, 0% apr and minimum deposit. Monthly repayment is 498, divide deposit, 1.5 sets of tyres, 3 services across 3 years, tax and insurance that’s roughly 700 a month all in.

    Roughly 25k over 3 years - 14400 car allowance (net) leaves 10600 so 4K better off than BIK.

    Also you don’t have to buy new, aren’t limited to the cars the company provides I know someone who has a Porsche which the car allowance goes towards, another who drives a Defender and I also know one or two who drive a cheap car and save/spend the car allowance on non-car related things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    How many keep company cars that long though so not really a big deal and it would be no different than having a 50k ICE car from a BIK perspective.

    Also depends on mileage and other factors.

    He’s talking about buying it at that or rather his employer buying and making it available to him. I am simply making the point that the BIK will still be calculated on the historic OMV and even if the 50k nil BZiK rate for EVs is still in place, it may not make financial sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Marcusm wrote: »
    He’s talking about buying it at that or rather his employer buying and making it available to him. I am simply making the point that the BIK will still be calculated on the historic OMV and even if the 50k nil BZiK rate for EVs is still in place, it may not make financial sense.

    I don't think it does make sense, I'll just buy what I want myself and claim expenses back on it like I do now. It covers my entire motoring costs at the moment anyway on a 530d. It's a big family business so within reason can do a few things that wouldn't be available to others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭digiman


    I see the new X45e msport is priced at €87.8k, does that price already have the grants included in it? Is it €10k of grants on these now or what is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    digiman wrote: »
    I see the new X45e msport is priced at €87.8k, does that price already have the grants included in it? Is it €10k of grants on these now or what is it?

    No. The price is pre grant. Probably the Best Buy of the x5 now if you didn’t want the seven seats.grant is 7.5k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭digiman


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    No. The price is pre grant. Probably the Best Buy of the x5 now if you didn’t want the seven seats.grant is 7.5k.

    That is good value alright for an X5. So about 17k cheaper than the 40i which is slower 0-60!!


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