Bmw 5 series 2011

from_atozinc

Hi

I think the F10 bmw 5 series came in around 2011. Does this car have any known issues? Specifically the 520d model.

I know previous models had timing chain issues, has this model cleared this up?

LillySV

from_atozinc wrote: »

Hi

I think the F10 bmw 5 series came in around 2011. Does this car have any known issues? Specifically the 520d model.

The timing chain was still giving problems then I think

hurikane

Apart from the drivers? I think it has the N47 engine that suffered from timing chain failures.

from_atozinc

LillySV wrote: »

The timing chain was still giving problems then I think

Thanks. Still.....lord. I thought with all the previous woes they had with timing chains than it would all be sorted......

aFlabbyPanda

I'm in the same boat, so many tempting deals on 3 & 5 series but the n47 failures has the fear of god in me. Going to stick to the 3.0l options unless some can convince me of being irrational.

I had a 2008 520d company car years ago before I know about the timing chain thing and it was fine.

Quigs Snr

Same timing chain issues. They ran from roughly early 2007 when the N47 engine made it to the 5 series until mid 2014 when the B47 engine came out. Mine is a 142 with the B47 engine and its great so far

from_atozinc

Quigs Snr wrote: »

Same timing chain issues. They ran from roughly early 2007 when the N47 engine made it to the 5 series until mid 2014 when the B47 engine came out. Mine is a 142 with the B47 engine and its great so far

Right. So eventually in 2014, the issue is sorted in the B47? Or still actually an issue and just ok for your case?

LillySV

from_atozinc wrote: »

Thanks. Still.....lord. I thought with all the previous woes they had with timing chains than it would all be sorted......

I bought a 2009 520 off bmw garage around 4 years ago and was re assured by garage that the timing chain issue was fixed by late 08 and it doesn’t really happen from then ... I now know that was lies and fear that the issue will affect me some time . I talked to a different guy in a bmw garage recently and he was surprised mine hadn’t had the problem kick in yet! It’s a pity cause I love my car .... think the problem doesn’t arise in 3 liters so that’s could be option if u wanted a 5 series in that era

Harcrid

Chain problems are still very much an issue and mine suffered a stretched chain a few weeks ago on my 2011. While my car was in the garage two others came in with the same problem, one of which was a 2013 model.

LillySV

Harcrid wrote: »

Chain problems are still very much an issue and mine suffered a stretched chain a few weeks ago on my 2011. While my car was in the garage two others came in with the same problem, one of which was a 2013 model.

U don’t happen to know if bmw offer anything to the customer for this or does the customer have to pay it all themselves ?

bazz26

OP, given you were asking about the reliability of the likes of a Prius in some of your other threads, are you really ok with the running costs of a 5 Series? A nearly 9 year old BMW 5 Series might be bought for around 10k these days but people tend to forget or are not aware that it can still be a 50k car to maintain and repair. You won't run a 5 Series on a Prius budget.

Blazer

lot cheaper nowadays.
I've a 9 year old 3litre bmw (525D).
Costs aren't that expensive.
Granted I pay out about €700 for tires etc but I go for top brand and staggered..you could get them for 400-500.
Oil and filter change is about €150 at indy etc.

Things to watch out for.
F10 came out in 2010 so any one from 2010-2013 have issues with the metal in the AC condenser fatiguing or damage from stone chips. Can be replaceded by bmw under warranty etc or indy for about €400 thereabouts.

Brakes - Front brakes when replacing need discs replaced with them. About 300 from Indy...550 or so from Dealer.
Back breakpads are ok to change on their own. Say €150

idrive is a pain the ass for the,---I've gone through 2 headunits both times under warranty and this time its hanging in a loop. Out of warranty so need to cost that. Not sure it a software update will fix it (€150) or source a new headunit.

Angel eyes - early models are prone to failure and need either the module or the headlight replaced if water damage - lot cheaper nowadays so around €70 for the module on ebay and about €200 for the headlight.

Seals- If you're buying a car check all door and boot seals. They start wearing away after a few years and are not covered under BMW's premium warranty. I had a taillight need replacing because the boot seal leaked water into the backlight and luckily into the rear tool holder which is plastic. I still had to pay for the light though even though I was under warranty.

Enginewise she's been perfect for me
This is my second 3litre 5 series (previous one was e60 lci which had the M57 engine) and both have been flawless.
I think the F10 model does have swirl flaps so might need to get those blanked off. The e60 model definitely doesn't have them.

Quigs Snr

from_atozinc wrote: »

Right. So eventually in 2014, the issue is sorted in the B47? Or still actually an issue and just ok for your case?

The timing chain issue does not affect the B47. I like the F10, but specifically held onto my E60 until BMW changed to the B47. Glad I did. 5 years, no problems. None reported on the web... all good.

from_atozinc

Quigs Snr wrote: »

The timing chain issue does not affect the B47. I like the F10, but specifically held onto my E60 until BMW changed to the B47. Glad I did. 5 years, no problems. None reported on the web... all good.

Sure the e60 had loads of timing chain issues as far as I am aware.

Heres Johnny

from_atozinc wrote: »

Sure the e60 had loads of timing chain issues as far as I am aware.

Might have been a pre LCI e60 which wasn't affected. Or a petrol e60.

Harcrid

LillySV wrote: »

U don’t happen to know if bmw offer anything to the customer for this or does the customer have to pay it all themselves ?

I was one of the lucky ones and I got a brand new engine fitted by BMW. The other two cars that I mentioned had their claims rejected so it’s all down to pot luck. No idea what the criteria is to get approved but full BMW service history would be beneficial.

Heres Johnny

I'm a big fan of the 5 series but I deliberately stayed away from changing my e60 2006 for longer than I wanted to avoid the affected years 2007-2013. Eventually got a 530d 2014 and no problems so far. I wouldn't buy one in the badly affected era.

from_atozinc

Heres Johnny wrote: »

I'm a big fan of the 5 series but I deliberately stayed away from changing my e60 2006 for longer than I wanted to avoid the affected years 2007-2013. Eventually got a 530d 2014 and no problems so far. I wouldn't buy one in the badly affected era.

nice car!

does the 520d 2014 get sorted in 2014 also?

Heres Johnny

from_atozinc wrote: »

nice car!

does the 520d 2014 get sorted in 2014 also?

I believe so but it's not a given, from reading here it's when the b47 engine came out everything was fine. I've a great mechanic in the family and I bought this car from him he had imported it for himself but he owed me money for doing accounting work for him and I got it for what he paid for it so I had peace of mind.

Nickindublin

I have a July 2014 Mini and it has the B47 engine. They generally came out here in 142 cars. A friend has a May 2014 BMW and it has the N47 engine with no issues and 160000km on the clock.

nogoodnamesleft

Heres Johnny wrote: »

I believe so but it's not a given, from reading here it's when the b47 engine came out everything was fine. I've a great mechanic in the family and I bought this car from him he had imported it for himself but he owed me money for doing accounting work for him and I got it for what he paid for it so I had peace of mind.

I have a September 2014 build F10 with the B47 engine. No issues with the timing chain however the BMW recall has been extended for the ERG cooler recall including the B47s engine platform. The cooler in mine was replaced last week by the main dealer here in the UK (I had checked the car via ISTA (BMWs diagnostic tool) to check if there were any standing fault codes prior to going in for the replacement (i.e. low coolant warning/drivetrain error) to get an idea if there was anything wrong...none were logged in mine however it was confirmed that the cooler was replaced (its a redesigned part).

I am somewhat handy with the tools so I can do bits and pieces myself. Some of the criticisms I have is that the dealer prices are eyewatering and the service is considerably lacking, price of run flats, certain aspects of the car a designed to make it difficult for enthusiasts to work on (jack points need adaptors and a low profile jack to lift the car).

shnaek

Driving a 2012 520D and I have to say I love it. No issues so far, fingers crossed. Chain and clutch done by the previous owner, good service history so the car was well looked after. But there's no doubt it's always a risk buying a 2007-2013 model.

Quigs Snr

from_atozinc wrote: »

Sure the e60 had loads of timing chain issues as far as I am aware.

Yep pre LCI early 2007 with the M47. Still going strong elsewhere in the family 12 years on... no major issues outside of normal service items. Wouldn't touch a N47 E60 or F10 unless the chain had been done and it was a really insanely good deal... give away money. Even at that I would always be waiting for it to go pop.

Quigs Snr

... and check what an N47 and B47 looks like visually. Main dealer tried to sell me a 141 back when I was buying.. told me it was the B47.. I could tell that it wasn't.

bazz26

N47 cars would be €280 to tax, B47 would be €200.

nogoodnamesleft

bazz26 wrote: »

N47 cars would be €280 to tax, B47 would be €200.

Engine cover is visually different as well as where the airbox is located. B47 it sits in front of the engine on the N47 it's on top. Air filters are also noticeably different.

bazz26

nogoodnamesleft wrote: »

Engine cover is visually different as well as where the airbox is located. B47 it sits in front of the engine on the N47 it's on top. Air filters are also noticeably different.

Yeah but your average buyer will just look at the tax disc and be happy at that.

Stallingrad

Go in with your eyes open OP. My Main dealer, low mileage 2014 N47 required €1000's in warranty work in the short time I owned the car including two rusted doors, failed head unit, over €1000, leaking rear diff, as well as that crappy engine, which was refined at speed but was a horribly noisy, rattly thing at idle and getting up to speed. Also Google 'F10 yellow grommet' and there are more headaches there.

It looked great, Luxury model was lovely inside, but the potential running costs with that engine made no sense for me. Moved back to petrol and haven't missed the car for a minute.

IMO the F10 in both N47 and B47 are hugely overrated.

By the way, I traded in a whisper quite 1.4tsi petrol Passat for the BMW. I remember driving off the forecourt and my first thought was "WTF have I done!", such was the difference in engine refinement.* That was not a good omen, I never got used to the diesel and am back in another VAG 1.4tsi.

* And yes I did test drive it before buying, thought I would get used to it, I was wrong.

uluwatu

the F10 came in 2010

Darc19

Hijacking this thread.

Need an estate type car. Was hoping the audi a5 would cope, but it won't.

Price for an f11 2016 with circa 130k and fsh is very attractive. Ticks all the boxes.

Had they sorted all the main issues by then?

drunkmonkey

Darc19 wrote: »

Hijacking this thread.

Need an estate type car. Was hoping the audi a5 would cope, but it won't.

Price for an f11 2016 with circa 130k and fsh is very attractive. Ticks all the boxes.

Had they sorted all the main issues by then?

If you going to have a full car get a 530 auto or just get the 530 anyway a lot more pleasurable drive.

milltown

Just for balance, my 2012 520d will hit 200,000km before months end.
I do oils, filters, pads and discs myself so it hasn't seen the inside of a garage since I got it about three years ago. I'm still meaning to get around to booking it in for the EGR cooler recall.

Darc19

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you going to have a full car get a 530 auto or just get the 530 anyway a lot more pleasurable drive.

The items are not heavy. But are bulky. Dummys and other training materials.

It's a 520d auto I'm looking at.

Did consider uk, but sterling rate makes it not worth it