What Political Party will the New Irish support?

SafeSurfer

Firstly I don’t want this thread to turn into a debate on direct provision or the pros and cons of immigration.

I understand of course that new Irish citizens are a hugely diverse group in culture and political outlook. Do you believe that they will be attracted to one party in particular or will their political allegiances reflect a similar pattern to the population as a whole?

Kermit.de.frog

I'd imagine Labour and Sinn Féin would be the natural beneficiaries.

Socially left leaning, pro immigration.

biko

Really it depends on who these new Irish you speak of are.
Immigrants are heterogeneous and cannot be lumped together easily.

boring accountant

With no real opposition to immigration or migrants in general represented in Irish politics I can see the migrant vote being split for many years to come. All parties are scrambling for their votes and it’s hard for one to distinguish themselves.

The age profile of migrants means they’re not having a huge effect at the minute.

FG will likely capture most of the young professional types.

The working class migrant vote will probably be shared amongst the left.

I think the biggest feature of the migrant vote will be the lack of participation. With no party out there threatening their existence it’s hard to see the motivation. Most of the immigrants I know (more like all) aren’t interested in Irish politics in the slightest.

SafeSurfer

biko wrote: »

Really it depends on who these new Irish you speak of are.
Immigrants are heterogeneous and cannot be lumped together easily.

That’s why I stressed that they were a diverse group. My question really is. As a whole, will they disproportionately vote for one particular party compared to the population in general.

Ha Long Bay

Im not really sure its a relevant question if they can only vote in local elections.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#l5ab58

"Who can vote in elections and referendums?
The type of election you can vote in depends on your citizenship. The following people are eligible to vote:

Irish citizens can vote in every election and referendum
British citizens may vote at Dáil, European and local elections
Other EU citizens may vote at European and local elections*
Non-EU citizens can vote at local elections only."

boring accountant

john4321 wrote: »

Im not really sure its a relevant question if they can only vote in local elections.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#l5ab58

"Who can vote in elections and referendums?
The type of election you can vote in depends on your citizenship. The following people are eligible to vote:

Irish citizens can vote in every election and referendum
British citizens may vote at Dáil, European and local elections
Other EU citizens may vote at European and local elections*
Non-EU citizens can vote at local elections only."

New Irish refers to new citizens.

SafeSurfer

john4321 wrote: »

Im not really sure its a relevant question if they can only vote in local elections.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#l5ab58

"Who can vote in elections and referendums?
The type of election you can vote in depends on your citizenship. The following people are eligible to vote:

Irish citizens can vote in every election and referendum
British citizens may vote at Dáil, European and local elections
Other EU citizens may vote at European and local elections*
Non-EU citizens can vote at local elections only."

I’m specifically referring to new Irish citizens. Those who have received citizenship and thus a right to vote in all elections and referendums.

Ha Long Bay

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I’m specifically referring to new Irish citizens. Those who have received citizenship and thus a right to vote in all elections and referendums.

Sorry my mistake. Please ignore my previous comment.

To answer your original question I think a party like the Social Democrats might appeal to this group.

Geuze

At previous referundums, west Africans living here indicated an opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion.

biko

The Christian Africans I know are quite conservative.
The same for the Polish.

Eric Cartman

Eastern europeans back parties that talk about tax reductions , african and arab migrants are a bit stuck, theyll likely vote for whoever hands out the most free stuff , but theyll have to swallow the pro lgbtq and pro abortion pills they disagree with

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

The Christian Africans I know are quite conservative.
The same for the Polish.

The polish and philipinos are very christian, FF is poised for them

touts

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'd imagine Labour and Sinn Féin would be the natural beneficiaries.

Socially left leaning, pro immigration.

Most of the new Irish come Eastern Europe and grew up in a socialist state. They are generally not willing to relive that nightmare again.

James Brown

The same parties in the same number we currently do. Maybe the SD's were trying to hone in with their dodgy candidate.

Annasopra

SafeSurfer wrote: »

That’s why I stressed that they were a diverse group. My question really is. As a whole, will they disproportionately vote for one particular party compared to the population in general.

No.

I dont think so. We can slready see from the local elections that migrants were candudates in FF, FG, SF, GP, SDs, Labour and Indos. I think that reflects their diversity of political opinion.

Loafing Oaf

Geuze wrote: »

At previous referundums, west Africans living here indicated an opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion.

Citation for this? And what relevance does it have for elections going forward anyway?

ILoveYourVibes

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The polish and philipinos are very christian, FF is poised for them

More driven by economic concerns and they don't like corruption they aren't thick they will prob vote FG.

mvl

In the country I am from, the ethnic minorities are represented separately in the Parliament: for less than 5% of the population, it would be one representative per party/association. Then parties of larger ethnic minorities have representation based on their number.

And tbh, I would personally favor this model, rather than having individual parties adding on their list ethnic representatives.

seenitall

mvl wrote: »

In the country I am from, the ethnic minorities are represented separately in the Parliament: for less than 5% of the population, it would be one representative per party/association. Then parties of larger ethnic minorities have representation based on their number.

And tbh, I would personally favor this model, rather than having individual parties adding on their list ethnic representatives.

Are you from Eastern Europe?

mvl

seenitall wrote: »

Are you from Eeastern Europe?

yip

suicide_circus

how do immigrant communities tend to vote in the UK and the continent does anyone know?

Annasopra

suicide_circus wrote: »

how do immigrant communities tend to vote in the UK and the continent does anyone know?

In the UK they have tended to support Labour more

donegal_man

I have a number of "new Irish" colleagues and of those who have expressed an opinion their political allegiances are as diverse as those of the "old Irish". Two are signed up members of Fine Gael, one backs Sinn Fein and one backs "anybody that'll do something about immigration". He arrived here as a refugee several years ago and fears not enough is being done to screen those coming now. A more common view amongst the established community than you might believe.

LoughNeagh2017

In my eyes the "new Irish" are the Viking or English settlers. Call me a racist if you want but this isn't USA, ancestry actually counts in old European nations, if you don't have ancestry from Gaelic clans you aren't Irish in my opinion.

This doesn't mean I verbally abuse immigrants or anything, if anything it is the other way around, they have abused me for being an autistic loner man just like my own natives Irish loud mouths do. These Irish need to realise the great monks of Irish history were probably loner Autists too.