Noticed lines for the first time

Sussex18

Around the eyes, not bad, certainly not very noticeable unless very close up. Still felt like another little sign that I'm getting older. I'm 41 by the way. They've probably been there for a while but only noticed them now.

When did others here start to notice lines?

And I'm not going to go looking to conceal them now. But I'd always expected to go for Botox at 50. Is Botox the best option for the future if I do want to combat them?.

ThanksS🙂

Dial Hard

50 is too late for Botox, you should really start it as soon as you notice the lines, it works best as a preventative than a cure. That's if you want to go down the Botox route, obvs, perfectly acceptable to age naturally!

SozBbz

Dial Hard wrote: »

50 is too late for Botox, you should really start it as soon as you notice the lines, it works best as a preventative than a cure. That's if you want to go down the Botox route, obvs, perfectly acceptable to age naturally!

Agree, totally. Not to say that Botox is the right route, but if thats what you're planning, then anytime from late 20's onwards is recommended.

I have a friend who is a practitioner and she often remarks that its frustrating when she gets patients coming to her in their 50's, expecting miracles. She always says she wishes they'd come 10 years sooner.

If you think about it, you don't want to get loads of lines and then look to erase them. Then that would be obvious. If you simply start getting them smoothed out once they appear, then the changes over time will be really gradual and less noticeable and ultimately more effective.

Full disclosure, I've had botox since I was 28 (5 years). I only get a small amount every 9 months or so. I can still move my face, but it just smoothes things out a shade.

Sussex18

SozBbz wrote: »

Agree, totally. Not to say that Botox is the right route, but if thats what you're planning, then anytime from late 20's onwards is recommended.

I have a friend who is a practitioner and she often remarks that its frustrating when she gets patients coming to her in their 50's, expecting miracles. She always says she wishes they'd come 10 years sooner.

If you think about it, you don't want to get loads of lines and then look to erase them. Then that would be obvious. If you simply start getting them smoothed out once they appear, then the changes over time will be really gradual and less noticeable and ultimately more effective.

Full disclosure, I've had botox since I was 28 (5 years). I only get a small amount every 9 months or so. I can still move my face, but it just smoothes things out a shade.

Thanks

So is it a facelift then for older clients?

My complexion is really good and I'm pretty happy with how I look in general. So I'm reluctant to get stuck on the 'Botox train' yet,because once you start you can't really stop can you?

But i wouldn't like a lot of wrinkles even in old age. I do accept getting older, but nah, I don't want that.

SozBbz

Sussex18 wrote: »

Thanks

So is it a facelift then for older clients?

My complexion is really good and I'm pretty happy with how I look in general. So I'm reluctant to get stuck on the 'Botox train' yet,because once you start you can't really stop can you?

But i wouldn't like a lot of wrinkles even in old age. I do accept getting older, but nah, I don't want that.

Again, this is purely my personal opinion, but I would never get a facelift, not a surgical one anyway. There are some minimally invasive procedures that maybe are worth considering but I'm hoping by taking good actions now while I'm still young, that I won't be doing anything drastic in later years.

I just wouldnt put myself under General Anesthetic for an aesthetic procedure.

Botox takes effect gradually and wears off gradually so I don't see why you couldnt try it and then stop if its not for you.

If I can keep doing things now like using retinol, spf, and just generally taking good care of my skin now, that I won't want to resort to drastic measures in the future.

Sussex18

SozBbz wrote: »

Again, this is purely my personal opinion, but I would never get a facelift, not a surgical one anyway. There are some minimally invasive procedures that maybe are worth considering but I'm hoping by taking good actions now while I'm still young, that I won't be doing anything drastic in later years.

I just wouldnt put myself under General Anesthetic for an aesthetic procedure.

Botox takes effect gradually and wears off gradually so I don't see why you couldnt try it and then stop if its not for you.

If I can keep doing things now like using retinol, spf, and just generally taking good care of my skin now, that I won't want to resort to drastic measures in the future.

Does Retinol actually work and is it permanent? How long would a tube from Boots No. 7 last?

SozBbz

Sussex18 wrote: »

Does Retinol actually work and is it permanent? How long would a tube from Boots No. 7 last?

Yes it works but should be part of your consistent routine. It’s not a one time fix, it’s an active ingredient to use a few times a week.

The stuff you can get in the likes of Boots isn’t what works though. You’d need something from a proper dermatologist or specialist dermal clinic.

SusieBlue

I'm 28 and have been getting botox twice a year for about 2/3 years.
I spent an absolutely fortune on expensive miracle creams over the years, trying to improve the appearance of a frown line that had become very noticeable. I wasted so much money on many products that just didn't live up to their claims, and ended up frustrated and disappointed each time.

Botox is completely safe, 100% effetive, has preventative properties and is relatively inexpensive (compared to spending €€€ on creams which may or may not work). Its a no brainer, in my opinion.

The longer you go without getting the lines treated, the deeper they will become, and the harder they will be to smooth out when you do finally decide to go down the botox route.

I used to get my top up every 6 months, last time I pushed it out to 9 months and the botox was completely gone, but the frown line was NOWHERE NEAR as deep as it was prior to starting treatments a few years ago. So it definitely works as a prevention.
I'm hoping to space my appointments out even more as time goes on.

If you plan on going down the botox route eventually, I wouldn't delay it any further.

SozBbz

SusieBlue wrote: »

I used to get my top up every 6 months, last time I pushed it out to 9 months and the botox was completely gone, but the frown line was NOWHERE NEAR as deep as it was prior to starting treatments a few years ago. So it definitely works as a prevention.
I'm hoping to space my appointments out even more as time goes on.

I've found this too, I actually can't remember when I last had a top up but its been a while! Its definitely been at least 9 months but I can still see an improvement. Its almost as if my forehead muscles have just relaxed due to a prolonged period of inactivity.

My main issue was that I was starting to see a those vertical frown lines between my brows from squinting/concentrating and I thought if they got embedded that they'd look very stern.

Botox has been around since the 1970s and as you say is totally tested and safe. A good practitioner should give you really natural results (they/you need to know when to stop to avoid the waxy look). When done well, no one would actually notice anything different, its just a general freshness.

Faith

How do you decide where to go for Botox? I’m considering it for forehead lines but I’m afraid of it being ballsed up if I don’t research places enough, and I live in a city where there aren’t that many options.

SozBbz

Faith wrote: »

How do you decide where to go for Botox? I’m considering it for forehead lines but I’m afraid of it being ballsed up if I don’t research places enough, and I live in a city where there aren’t that many options.

I'm very lucky in that my friend is a medical profressional but does cosmetic treatments on the side and she's very good.

I'd personally avoid anywhere that does too much social media advertising or seems to specialise in the TOWIE look.

Its quite unregulated, so I'd also look to have it carried out by a doctor/dentist/nurse practitioner as at least they have studied facial anatomy.

SusieBlue

Faith wrote: »

How do you decide where to go for Botox? I’m considering it for forehead lines but I’m afraid of it being ballsed up if I don’t research places enough, and I live in a city where there aren’t that many options.

Definitely go to a clinic that has qualified professionals, so either doctors/dentists or nurses administering the treatment.
Avoid beauticians, nail salons, hair salons etc. because there is a slim to none chance that they are adequately qualified for what they are doing.

The initial consultation and follow up appointment to check everything is ok should also be free of charge.
I go to Eden Medical in Cork for mine but I believe they also have clinics in Killarney, Limerick and Dublin.
I also got my lips done there and tried to book another appointment 5/6 months later for a top up and they said no way, I didn't need it, and come back in another 3/4 months.
A greedier business would have just taken my money and done it anyway but they aren't like that.
The aftercare is excellent, every patient gets a free follow up review appointment 2 weeks after their treatment to ensure everything is ok and make any necessary adjustments.
I'm not affiliated in any way, I've just had a very positive experience! They're worth travelling to if you're anywhere near their locations.

SozBbz

SusieBlue wrote: »

Avoid beauticians, nail salons, hair salons etc. because there is a slim to none chance that they are adequately qualified for what they are doing.
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Absolutely this.

Going to someone who's really only qualified to do waxing/nails is how you end up looking like a waxwork or with an accidental chemical brow lift.

Faith

Thanks! I’ll be home in Cork for Christmas... Not for long though, so Eden might not be suitable.

Places locally that seem reputable charge upwards of £200 for Botox to one area, which is a lot higher than what Eden charges!

Sussex18

Can Bio Oil be used on the face?

SusieBlue

Faith wrote: »

Thanks! I’ll be home in Cork for Christmas... Not for long though, so Eden might not be suitable.

Places locally that seem reputable charge upwards of £200 for Botox to one area, which is a lot higher than what Eden charges!

I've found them very accommodating in the past in regards to late evening appointments, wouldn't do any harm to give a ring and see if they can fit you in at a time that suits you. I know that they're doing weekend appointments over the Christmas period to accommodate all the extra clients.

Sussex18 wrote: »

Can Bio Oil be used on the face?

Yes but it might cause congestion/blemishes if your skin is that way inclined. If you break out easily I wouldn't touch it.

Airyfairy12

Lucky you, I started getting my first lines at 25.

Ive had botox once around my eyes, it did smooth out the lines slightly but it didnt make a huge difference, if anything I feel like other muscles on my face compensated and created lines in another area. Im now starting to notice lines along my cheeks which cant be treated with botox.
If its something youre concerned about then go for it but dont be expecting miracles, the results are so minimal theyre hardly worth the cost imo.

SozBbz

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Lucky you, I started getting my first lines at 25.

Ive had botox once around my eyes, it did smooth out the lines slightly but it didnt make a huge difference, if anything I feel like other muscles on my face compensated and created lines in another area. Im now starting to notice lines along my cheeks which cant be treated with botox.
If its something youre concerned about then go for it but dont be expecting miracles, the results are so minimal theyre hardly worth the cost imo.

Interesting - personally I do think its good value for money (although I don't pay full price. but I do know what my friend charges her regular clients)

I've only ever gotten it in my forehead (both for horizontal and vertical lines) so can't comment on the impact on in the eye area per say. Maybe is less noticeable.

I do see women my age and younger with forehead lines that are starting to set even when they're not being expressive and their faces are totally neutral, and when I compare that to my own forehead, I'm happy with my choice to get Botox.

Sussex18

They have probably actually been there for a few years but I wear glasses about 80% of the time and only noticed recently. A beautician gave me a sample of something that she said might help, think it's L'Oréal but would need to double check. She recommended 'Revive and Protect', think it might be no. 7? In Boots.

Incidentally she has no visible lines and she must be over 60,possibly even over 65. She certainly does look her age. There is some 60 years who would pass for 50 or late 40's, no problem. But not her, despite the lack of lines.

Since the original post I'm taking a more benign, accepting view of the lines. Will try to 'iron' them out with 'lotion' if I can, will certainly try to take better care of 'my eyes'. But won't be going near Botox for the foreseeable.

Faith

I found a sample of The Hero Project Hyasoft Instant Moisture Boost that came in the M&S advent calendar last year that I had forgotten about, and I’ve been using it for the past few weeks. I find it’s actually been great in reducing the appearance of the fine lines on my forehead! I think I’ll keep using it for a little while before going for Botox down the line.

wakka12

Dial Hard wrote: »

50 is too late for Botox, you should really start it as soon as you notice the lines, it works best as a preventative than a cure. That's if you want to go down the Botox route, obvs, perfectly acceptable to age naturally!

Is there any proof that this is true? It sounds like a scam tbh. It just freezes muscles, no reason why this would necessarily stop further fine lines from forming. Fine lines and wrinkles are caused by the cellular damage from the sun, glycation, less moisture, etc, not facial movement. If facial movement was the cause, then children would get wrinkles. But they dont, because they have healthy undamaged skin, and no amount of facial movement will cause a wrinkle. So botox is correcting a symptom rather than the root of the problem,so I dont see how it could be preventative.

Airyfairy12

wakka12 wrote: »

Is there any proof that this is true? It sounds like a scam tbh. It just freezes muscles, no reason why this would necessarily stop further fine lines from forming. Fine lines and wrinkles are caused by the cellular damage from the sun, glycation, less moisture, etc, not facial movement. If facial movement was the cause, then children would get wrinkles. But they dont, because they have healthy undamaged skin, and no amount of facial movement will cause a wrinkle. So botox is correcting a symptom rather than the root of the problem,so I dont see how it could be preventative.

A lot of lines are caused by facial movement and a more noticable in areas where the face moves such as around the eye, down the sides of the nose and mouth, smokers get smokers lines because they move those areas of the face more, like when they perse their lips when smoking.
Everyone forms expression lines as they get older, the older you get the deeper the lines become. Botox can help prevent the deepening of lines over time by freezing the movement of the muscle so the area cant be moved and create a deep expression line.

wakka12

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

A lot of lines are caused by facial movement and a more noticable in areas where the face moves such as around the eye, down the sides of the nose and mouth, smokers get smokers lines because they move those areas of the face more, like when they perse their lips when smoking.
Everyone forms expression lines as they get older, the older you get the deeper the lines become. Botox can help prevent the deepening of lines over time by freezing the movement of the muscle so the area cant be moved and create a deep expression line.

Again is there any proof this is true? I am aware many people are of this belief but have never seen anything to prove it

SozBbz

wakka12 wrote: »

Again is there any proof this is true? I am aware many people are of this belief but have never seen anything to prove it

facial movements are one of the causes of lines, amoungst all the others you've mentioned. Like i'm sure theres little point in getting botox etc if you don't do the basics for your skin, like year round daily spf, proper hydration and good skincare regime.

As I get botox for the results that i see in the present tense so I've never looked at research about the long term benefits, but I'm sure a quick google might help.

I do have a friend who is a practitioner (medically trained) and have heard her remark about patients starting too late and expecting to much when wrinkles are deepset already, so I'd be inclined to think theres some truth to it.

Re your point on children - i don't buy that argument personally. Children by nature have young skin, fully of collagen and very elastic. Also they've not yet suffered much in terms of environmental factors. As they are still growing, their regeneration ability is very strong. Wrinkles are only an issue for people who have hit full maturity, and technically we're all in decline after that. As we age, we naturally lose collagen and our muscles weaken, hence wrinkes. Those children will become adults who will get wrinkles in time.

It stands to reason to be that skin that has spend less time in a wrikled position (due to paralysis brought about by botox) then some of that benefit at least will stand to you in the long run. Like I said earlier, I havent had a top up in absolutely ages (checked over the weekend and its nearly a year) and my forehead is still very smooth.

Sussex18

Update - - - after about 6 weeks of using Olay/Nivea anti-wrinkle eye/face cream the lines are decreasing in intensity and there's also a really nice sheen, which a few have noticed ��

wakka12

Is there any active ingredient in the creams or just increased hydration?